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Exotica

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18. Let's game this out (I am so glad you are doing these posts, btw)
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 10:38 PM
Jun 2018

Correct me if I am wrong, but if Trump fires Mueller, ignores any SCOTUS rulings, is impeached by the House in 2019 (provided we take it back in 2018) but then there simply is not 67 votes in the Senate to convict and remove, what can we do?

The max Senate seats we can end up with is 53 (that is sweeping anything remotely in play, including Texas). That leaves us 14 votes short. Let's say that all this happens and we end up with 7 to 10 Republicans voting to convict. We are still 4 to 7 votes short.

What can, at that point, stop Trump? The country (if all this happens) will be on knife's edge, a tinderbox. One horrid incident away from massive civil violence (from both sides).

Trump can simply ignore the SCOTUS, as they have no enforcement physical power (think Stalin's famous retort to Churchill 'How many divisions does the Vatican have?'). We could shut down the government (as we would have both chambers of Congress) but that could backfire and Trump would just try and issue executive orders nullifying Congress.

If we take this all to the most extreme levels I can imagine, the only thing that could stop him would be a military coup d'état. That is unthinkable, our democracy would never recover from that breach,and the military may side with Trump anyway.

I am scared shitless at this point. No joke, no internet-typed 'cowering' in terror, I mean I can actually see this all playing out.

The only way this ends well will be if we get 67 votes to convict and remove.
I think we end up with 51 seats btw, after the 2018 outcome.

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King Trump... SummerSnow Jun 2018 #1
I would love to know orangecrush Jun 2018 #3
was: it already happened. triron Jun 2018 #20
I doubt this is true, but just in case...... dameatball Jun 2018 #2
Yes orangecrush Jun 2018 #4
correct. This is a big deal. dameatball Jun 2018 #5
quite so. orangecrush Jun 2018 #8
I am too Exotica Jun 2018 #19
That is not an understatement Adrahil Jun 2018 #6
Exactly orangecrush Jun 2018 #7
Don't get MAD, people!......Become ACTIVISTS!!!!! ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2018 #9
I believe a dead man switch orangecrush Jun 2018 #10
Let's game this out (I am so glad you are doing these posts, btw) Exotica Jun 2018 #18
I don't think there's any other way to read this Still In Wisconsin Jun 2018 #11
That would be like saying.....Fuck You US Constitution..... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2018 #12
The continued expansion of executive power. Congress is abdicating its responsibility. jalan48 Jun 2018 #13
Reminds me of what Stephen Miller said Akacia Jun 2018 #14
Honestly, the pretzel logic it takes to get to that conclusion actually makes my head spin. Grammy23 Jun 2018 #15
agree whoieheartedly. orangecrush Jun 2018 #16
'Der Feuhrer IS the Law'.... lastlib Jun 2018 #17
How Trump sees himself, and how the world sees him: muriel_volestrangler Jun 2018 #21
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