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progressoid

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Tue Jun 5, 2018, 11:37 AM

Jun 2018

And without animated gifs. Great.

Ok, let's leave FLOTUS out of it and try former DNC chairman Howard Dean:

Howard Dean on young voters: ‘These people are not Democrats’

..."Cape up" turns to Howard Dean, former Vermont governor and former chairman of the Democratic National Committee who ran for the party’s presidential nomination in 2004, to talk about the future of the Democratic Party. “They see in Trump the destruction of the United States as they have been taught that it was going to exist,” he told me. “The Trump election was essentially a negation of every value that young people have.” Dean believes “those kids” are the “core base now” of the Democratic Party. “The most reliable demographic of our voters are the young people across the board, across racial and ethnic lines,” he said. There’s just one big problem.

“These people are not Democrats.”

“They’re very independent-minded. They don’t like politics. And they mistrust institutions,” Dean said in his characteristically matter-of-fact style. “I think our problem as Democrats is, we’re the head of the oldest party in the West, and this party is an institution that looks incredibly unattractive; not because of our ideology, ’cause that is attractive, and that is why they always vote for Democrats. But the Democratic Party means nothing to them because it’s an institution built by people like me who’s 40 years older than them.”

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Listen to the podcast to hear Dean talk more about the respective problems of both political parties and what the Democrats need to do to be attractive to young voters. And he counsels folks like me driven crazy by the incessant demands of a certain someone (cough, Bernie!) who doesn’t see fit to join the Democratic Party.

“Who cares if he’s in the Democratic Party or not?” Dean said. “Bernie can call himself whatever he wants, but functionally, he is a Democrat.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/09/12/howard-dean-on-young-voters-these-people-are-not-democrats/?utm_term=.f4b8e61496fb

OR...Howard Dean: Democratic Leadership Is 'Old And Creaky'

I mean, how dare he say things like that! Who does he think he is!! He's not even an elected official...oh...wait...He's not even a Democrat...ummm....well he just shouldn't say bad things about the party. It's divisive and serves no good purpose.

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J. Sanders: If the Democratic party doesn't become progressive, there will be a third party [View all] KitSileya Jun 2018 OP

Screw these threats. Carrying water for the GOP with this BS. bettyellen Jun 2018 #1

I agree. It is a very worrisome signal months before the most important midterms ever. KitSileya Jun 2018 #2

It does carry a whiff of that DFW Jun 2018 #9

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #32

Substantive changes like throwing issues that concern minorities overboard, KitSileya Jun 2018 #34

Nailed it. (Thank you.) NurseJackie Jun 2018 #65

Bingo! pandr32 Jun 2018 #127

Even when they're smart enough to outright say screw POC and women they hint how it's "not a winner" bettyellen Jun 2018 #148

Don't you know that we need to focus on white male voters only Gothmog Jun 2018 #151

in what example? When Sanders said "identity politics", the very context of it was that you JCanete Jun 2018 #165

+1 Meadowoak Jun 2018 #59

Does this mean she will Release the Tax Returns ? JI7 Jun 2018 #3

Of course not. comradebillyboy Jun 2018 #58

Transparency only applies to little people. nt Blue_true Jun 2018 #106

It's already happening in California, with more independents than republicans ansible Jun 2018 #4

no, the democratic party is NOT becoming a third party in California JI7 Jun 2018 #5

Well, if the party being replaced is the Republicans, I'm not going to holler too much KitSileya Jun 2018 #7

A lot of those "independents" are former Republicans, not former Democrats... Hekate Jun 2018 #12

That's not how it works. seaglass Jun 2018 #29

In addition, people not registered to a party still tend to vote one party or the other tammywammy Jun 2018 #92

Correct. I am registered unenrolled and ALWAYS vote D. There are many reasons people don't seaglass Jun 2018 #135

I tend to think they do not "belong" to a party for other reasons. tonyt53 Jun 2018 #150

NPP is increasing because of automatic registration at the DMV RandySF Jun 2018 #107

Isn't the definition of independent mean one who isn't tied to a party? brush Jun 2018 #109

The vast majority of so-called independents are highly partisan. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #147

There already is a goddamn third party Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #180

What thee ever lovin' frick.... eom sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #6

her chance to be first you know what is slipping away lol nt msongs Jun 2018 #8

In his own way, Trump was a 3rd party candidate, a phony populist & not a Republican Hekate Jun 2018 #10

Disagree. shanny Jun 2018 #24

The GOP has relied on racism since Nixon's southern strategy Gothmog Jun 2018 #153

That's what I said. shanny Jun 2018 #193

Or just as the gop ignore the libertarian folks and now deal with a libertarian party dembotoz Jun 2018 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Jun 2018 #13

If someone is willing to sacrifice the lives of others because they won't vote Dem KitSileya Jun 2018 #14

and usually i find it's women or some minorities rights they want to give up JI7 Jun 2018 #16

arrogance like this helps us snatch defeat from the jaws of victory time after time dembotoz Jun 2018 #37

Should we sacrifice someone's rights, lives or safety to appeal to a privileged group? KitSileya Jun 2018 #40

such melodrama dembotoz Jun 2018 #45

Tearing children from their mother's arms is melodrama? lunamagica Jun 2018 #61

Becomes melodrama if it results in no action dembotoz Jun 2018 #62

It needs action and by talking about it ...we can get action. Otherwise we are no different from the Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #63

Yeah, remember all the DACA outrage??.. disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #91

Ah, I am glad you asked ...first of all there is a court order helping at the moment and some in Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #95

Didn't ask anything.. made a statement disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #104

+ a million! lunamagica Jun 2018 #46

+++ brer cat Jun 2018 #60

Dems should absolutely ignore those folks whose ideas will cause us to lose multiple elections Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #36

Wait, Raysawesome34 Jun 2018 #191

Yeah and why did we lose...who whined and cried about not getting single payer and stabbed Pres. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #197

That's a lot to unpack. Raysawesome34 Jun 2018 #207

The Libertarian Party is a nonentity jmowreader Jun 2018 #89

And that's hurting them so badly kcr Jun 2018 #100

Progressives believe in transparency. Candidates who don't release tax returns don't. pnwmom Jun 2018 #15

Very good point. calimary Jun 2018 #17

I don't think that Bernie gets away with the tax returns release dance this time around. Blue_true Jun 2018 #110

And from the way JS ran that college into the ground why would anyone follow her... brush Jun 2018 #111

I believe she is correct Sherman A1 Jun 2018 #18

What adjustments...we have the most progressive platform in our history and it does no Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #38

Perhaps we need to run more progressive candidates Sherman A1 Jun 2018 #43

A strong progressive message will not have appeal in red districts and the idea that Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #53

We are not going to agree on this topic Sherman A1 Jun 2018 #66

That is why we lose. This idea that a 'real' progressive can win everywhere including red states is Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #70

Try it in a red district then treestar Jun 2018 #203

So, you appeal to people with a message that they are prone to reject. Blue_true Jun 2018 #114

I'm one of his "ilk" Sherman A1 Jun 2018 #138

You mean the way she ran that college into the ground you trust her judgment? brush Jun 2018 #112

Didn't she get a tax preparer of the year award? NCTraveler Jun 2018 #19

Hahah...+1000 Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #39

Oh, what a beautiful post! lunamagica Jun 2018 #47

Haaahaa..Best Post Award goes to this 😉 Wwcd Jun 2018 #159

Yes, that's what JS should be doing.. Right NOW Cha Jun 2018 #170

now that is a silly ass assesment...but have at it." pissed off at how progressive the party's JCanete Jun 2018 #194

No doubt it's low hanging fruit. Great point. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #195

I'd like to urge... Mike Nelson Jun 2018 #20

Nice Party ya got here. Be a shame if something were ta happen to it The Polack MSgt Jun 2018 #21

Exactly the quote I was thinking about when I read her crap. justhanginon Jun 2018 #48

I do hope this is not True Blue American Jun 2018 #22

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #23

+1 shanny Jun 2018 #25

What are Jane Sanders' political "credentials"? What has she done politically that would convince.. George II Jun 2018 #26

You've also held public office more than Michelle Obama. progressoid Jun 2018 #54

I may have missed it, but Michelle Obama has never railed about reforming a political party.... George II Jun 2018 #67

You may have missed it. progressoid Jun 2018 #72

Now you're punking us. George II Jun 2018 #73

Nope. progressoid Jun 2018 #87

So which party does Michelle Obama propose to reform? Or was she just pointing out... George II Jun 2018 #90

So, you didn't actually listen to Jane's comments did you. progressoid Jun 2018 #97

Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Jun 2018 #76

IKR? progressoid Jun 2018 #82

Whoosh! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #84

Indeed. progressoid Jun 2018 #88

Nice try. Jane's meaning was clear. She was making THREATS. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #105

+1, totally agree. No way was she out there unscripted. R B Garr Jun 2018 #175

It's a safe bet that Mrs. Obama wouldn't start spouting-off about things she knows nothing about. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #69

It's a safe bet that you didn't actually listen to Mrs. Sanders comments. progressoid Jun 2018 #78

LOL! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: NurseJackie Jun 2018 #81

Ah, the derisive laughter response again. progressoid Jun 2018 #83

Jane's threat was clear. Easily understood. Your denials don't change anything. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #98

Oh, you're back. progressoid Jun 2018 #117

"Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout!" --- LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #124

Yay, the dismissive gifs are back! progressoid Jun 2018 #139

"Google alerts" --- HA! :rofl: NurseJackie Jun 2018 #168

Sorry, didn't mean to kill you. progressoid Jun 2018 #183

GMAFB! Lies and smears are destructive, not "criticism". NurseJackie Jun 2018 #188

NOBODY in the Democratic Party needs a "heads up" Cha Jun 2018 #173

She has none whatsoever. She's making self-serving threats. By denigrating the Democratic party... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #55

Exactly, Jackie.. "self-serving" threats. Cha Jun 2018 #174

This was NOT some rogue action. It was NOT a spontaneous attack and threat. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #176

Too True, Jackie. This is Cha Jun 2018 #177

Agreed. After all, she's the one who tweeted... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #181

She is a failed College president mcar Jun 2018 #185

Right. She's not the one. She should stick to running colleges. Oh, wait... brush Jun 2018 #113

Oh you're bad! And that's gooood! :rofl: NurseJackie Jun 2018 #126

I hear she applied for a job as a loan officer at People's Bank! George II Jun 2018 #161

You mean "ruining colleges" lunamagica Jun 2018 #171

Wut. betsuni Jun 2018 #27

democratic party is the big tent party, america is NOT a left-center country, but a centter-left beachbum bob Jun 2018 #28

There, their and theyre...... Fullduplexxx Jun 2018 #30

You should take that to twitter and tell Carol Leonard, KitSileya Jun 2018 #33

I was in no way pointing that at you Fullduplexxx Jun 2018 #50

It should have been their's. nt Snotcicles Jun 2018 #51

And To Think She Ran A College Me. Jun 2018 #129

theyre oasis Jun 2018 #44

Apostrophe pls. brush Jun 2018 #120

pls. See #30. oasis Jun 2018 #128

#30 also needs an apostrophe. brush Jun 2018 #132

I subtly pointed that out to #30. oasis Jun 2018 #134

better not read e.e. cummings youll be smacking yourself silly Fullduplexxx Jun 2018 #154

Where are your tax returns, Jane? yardwork Jun 2018 #31

Let's see here, we have babies in cages, students being killed, and a lunatic riling up his base ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #35

What a great post. I don't like being threatened...and what kind of a person doesn't even Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #41

Extremely well expressed! But deep breath. :) Hortensis Jun 2018 #42

Yes it is. Yes we have. Yes we do. Yes it will. Yes they did. Yes they did. No it won't. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #56

It seems there are still a lot of diehard supporters even on DU ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #184

Jane, how progressive was your golden parachute? lunamagica Jun 2018 #49

I'm sorry to say this but their actions WhiteTara Jun 2018 #52

Doesn't really match with history zipplewrath Jun 2018 #57

I have said for a long time. Blue_true Jun 2018 #123

What the hell? Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2018 #64

Threats will not be effective Gothmog Jun 2018 #68

The Dem party is already becoming more progressive... Wounded Bear Jun 2018 #71

This is Jane on election day 2016. She's an asshole. seaglass Jun 2018 #74

That's Jane's code-talk for "Go ahead and vote for Jill Stein." NurseJackie Jun 2018 #77

That stupid...I can't even type what I'm thinking. That's what I call white privilege! lunamagica Jun 2018 #80

Clearly, she wasn't speaking ONLY for herself. That was not an "un-vetted" nor "unapproved" message. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #118

Hey Jane, how's that FBI investigation into your bank fraud coming along? Tarc Jun 2018 #75

A Third Party is the only way that the GOP can remain competitive as demographics change. PubliusEnigma Jun 2018 #79

Tired of the BS we can do it Jun 2018 #85

really jane??? tell me it ain't so heaven05 Jun 2018 #86

To Jane there is only one criteria for qualifying as a progressive GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #93

I think the Party will move to the left. What's the arument against doing so? jalan48 Jun 2018 #94

We are all progressives but the left left Green slime can spoil close elections but can't win Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #99

It's our choice as a Party. Blaming the voters is NOT a solution. jalan48 Jun 2018 #103

California is undeniably progressive. California didn't vote for Bernie. R B Garr Jun 2018 #115

Then no worries. Why all the fuss? jalan48 Jun 2018 #119

Your post #94 was implying agreement with Jane Sanders where only her definition R B Garr Jun 2018 #122

Like I said, no worries. Much ado about nothing. jalan48 Jun 2018 #130

We don't need Jane Sanders dividing people and R B Garr Jun 2018 #149

The voters who call themselves wrongly in my opinion progressives who didn't vote for Hillary are Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #131

Sorry, it's an election. What about those 90+ million eligible voters who didn't vote? jalan48 Jun 2018 #133

Absolutely to blame.... Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #141

Good luck with the blame the voters strategy. jalan48 Jun 2018 #142

The timing is not good awesomerwb1 Jun 2018 #136

Well, over the last few years we have lost the Presidency, Congress, State legislatures and jalan48 Jun 2018 #137

And that can be pinned on the left left green slimes who abandoned Obama i 10 Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #143

Bad voters! Bad! jalan48 Jun 2018 #146

Meh. It's more like get back to basics and work on grassroots awesomerwb1 Jun 2018 #156

And by the way. Is your "strategy" (Sanders') to divide a party in two by creating another party? awesomerwb1 Jun 2018 #157

My strategy would be to stop attacking Sanders and the millions who voted for him. Let's figure jalan48 Jun 2018 #162

Then maybe Bernie and Jane should spend less time attacking Democrats. comradebillyboy Jun 2018 #163

Politics is about issues. Democrat's are not 100% lockstep on the issues. jalan48 Jun 2018 #166

It's what they do.. they're not going to change Cha Jun 2018 #172

Why would anyone who calls themselves liberal or progressive mcar Jun 2018 #186

Apparently millions don't think the Party is progressive enough. I hope we can come together jalan48 Jun 2018 #187

Why would anyone risk Rs keeping control of everything mcar Jun 2018 #189

I agree and that's why I don't think Bernie will run a la Nader. He will continue to push us jalan48 Jun 2018 #190

We should do it because it's the right thing to do Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #179

That's a great idea to dilute the left of center vote... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2018 #96

lol stonecutter357 Jun 2018 #101

Wish I could say I was surprised. ehrnst Jun 2018 #102

Translation: Nominate my husband in 2020 or else. RandySF Jun 2018 #108

I would say "Don't let the door hit you on the way out" but that implies we were in the same room". grantcart Jun 2018 #116

She's a mouthpiece for his 2020 campaign. This was planned and appproved. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #125

I think they may learn that electioneering by threat is a bad idea. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #144

The good news is that ballot access laws will apply to third party candidates Gothmog Jun 2018 #121

Jane needs to realize that we are no longer putting up with her stupid threats all american girl Jun 2018 #140

Starting a sucessful new political party is very difficult and comradebillyboy Jun 2018 #164

I assume she means a *viable* 3rd party, as there are already numerous parties. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #145

Shut your piehole, Jane samir.g Jun 2018 #152

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2018 #155

Geezus Chrrrist! Demanding & desperate sound to that warning statement Wwcd Jun 2018 #158

How big corporate money drives US elections soryang Jun 2018 #160

Well she lierally addresses Trump and what he's been doing in her talk, so your assessment seems JCanete Jun 2018 #167

Mahalo for posting this, Kit! First of all nobody the fuck Cha Jun 2018 #169

So... 200 days before the biggest midterms of our lives, and they pull this shit? Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #178

Of course. It's the only way they can stay relevant. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #182

Exactly. Mrs Sanders is issuing threats.. Cha Jun 2018 #196

"Nice party ya got there. It'd be a shame if anything happened to it!" NurseJackie Jun 2018 #198

Is that a real Cha Jun 2018 #199

No... It's just a "classic" mob style threat. But... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #200

Right.. notice Cha Jun 2018 #201

... Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2018 #192

Bigger things to worry about than Jane Sanders predictions Freethinker65 Jun 2018 #202

This is my problem with BS and the BoBs. liberal N proud Jun 2018 #204

Hey Jane. The party's over here... LuvLoogie Jun 2018 #205

In California we have a third party tirebiter Jun 2018 #206

knr OldRed2450 Nov 2019 #208