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Jim Lane

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109. Of all the idiotic, indefensible Bernie-bashing I see on DU...

Fri Jun 8, 2018, 08:49 PM

Jun 2018

It’s the comparison of Bernie to Nader that’s the stupidest.

And given the appallingly low intellectual level of the cacophony of Bernie-bashing here, that’s really saying something.

If Nader had done as Bernie did – run in the Democratic primaries and, if unsuccessful, endorse the Democratic nominee – then Gore would have become President.

If Bernie had done as Nader did – run against the Democratic nominee in the general election – then Trump would have won the popular vote in reality instead of just in his own imagination, and would have carried several additional states.

And as for all the people screeching that Bernie isn’t a Democrat and he should stop having any involvement in Democratic Party matters and just leave – Bernie is far too smart to follow your advice, but if he were to do so, and run in 2020 as a Green or an independent, then there would be zero chance for any Democratic nominee to win the election. The Republican candidate would romp.

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Bernie Sanders Is Losing Primary Battles, But Winning A War [View all] Jim Lane Jun 2018 OP

Only 7 of 31 bernie's candidates were elected. 2 undecided then so it may be Fullduplexxx Jun 2018 #1

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #2

'a person who is obsessed with their own power.' elleng Jun 2018 #4

Yes, really. awesomerwb1 Jun 2018 #7

It always helps to bang on the windows Sparkly Jun 2018 #105

Lol, sure. whathehell Jun 2018 #176

And Benjamin Braddock: George II Jun 2018 #197

Kay. Squinch Jun 2018 #3

... Me. Jun 2018 #9

I would say something but.... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #52

I Bet We Can Guess Me. Jun 2018 #55

You too, me. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #60

... Me. Jun 2018 #63

Don't know but Sparkly Jun 2018 #106

Hey, Sparkly sheshe2 Jun 2018 #199

Yeah, I know. Me too NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #82

Ummhmmm sheshe2 Jun 2018 #90

How about, "isn't it nice to have a hobby?" grantcart Jun 2018 #154

Is that what they mean by "spin"? N/T lapucelle Jun 2018 #91

LIke A Whirling Dervish Me. Jun 2018 #136

Why the insistence on single payer as opposed to universal health care? comradebillyboy Jun 2018 #5

We have had "universal healthcare" since the 80s loyalsister Jun 2018 #8

No we haven't universal coverage means everyone is covered...by some combination of insurance, state Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #10

Whaaaaa? Um... that's not universal healthcare... Squinch Jun 2018 #24

Everyone close to death is entitled to rescue healthcare loyalsister Jun 2018 #40

Once again, that is not universal healthcare. Universal healthcare is a specific thing. Squinch Jun 2018 #48

+1 Go Vols Jun 2018 #57

Pitfalls of the English language loyalsister Jun 2018 #75

Stop. What you are describing has nothing to do with universal healthcare, which has a Squinch Jun 2018 #76

Is it a legal definition? loyalsister Jun 2018 #81

Here from the World Health Organization: Squinch Jun 2018 #87

That's word smithing, the word ... COMPREHENSIVE ... is implied uponit7771 Jun 2018 #117

That simply is not universal health care. pangaia Jun 2018 #129

That's not a sensible definition Jim Lane Jun 2018 #95

It is not available. My cousin died from a boating accident just before the ACA was implemented. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #118

That's the Reagan/Republican line. shanny Jun 2018 #53

Actually it's not a republican line loyalsister Jun 2018 #77

Lol. The U.S. has never had anything close to universal healthcare. yardwork Jun 2018 #69

That is emergency room care, not universal health care. comradebillyboy Jun 2018 #74

France are transitioning to a more NHS style system next year Kentonio Jun 2018 #26

I use the terms interchangeably because I have lived in countries that have one or the Sophia4 Jun 2018 #83

You couldn't have lived here for very long, or else didn't learn the language DFW Jun 2018 #96

What if you didn't have the American connection? Jim Lane Jun 2018 #116

If a German is employed within Germany, the problem is usually solved DFW Jun 2018 #138

Thanks for the elaboration! It sounds as if Germany could use Medicare for All. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #145

Germany never intended to be "socialistic" in this regard DFW Jun 2018 #151

I speak good German, and I lived in Germany and Austria as well as some other Sophia4 Jun 2018 #132

Yay! tazkcmo Jun 2018 #6

A Senator Sanders supporter trying to put the best face on what is happening. I am more and more Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #11

Perhaps a declared candidate... but definitely NOT a contender. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #97

I agree! Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #100

I get so tired of these dishonest puff pieces. Hortensis Jun 2018 #12

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #13

++++ The Polack MSgt Jun 2018 #14

... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #16

Wish I hadn't missed whatever that was... Sparkly Jun 2018 #128

Snooze ya lose! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #133

I had to check to see if HA Goodman wrote this ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #15

Kamala Harris endorsed 27 candidates, only 4 lost as of Hortensis Jun 2018 #17

Harris also endorsed Bernie's Medicare For All plan leftstreet Jun 2018 #19

Harris endorsed Hillary for president and Hillary's plan. Hortensis Jun 2018 #22

Well she's obviously changed her position leftstreet Jun 2018 #23

It's no change. That's the point. Hortensis Jun 2018 #25

It's a HUGE change leftstreet Jun 2018 #66

Again...we have no chance of getting Medicare for all soon or ever. It will take a super Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #78

She didn't say that leftstreet Jun 2018 #88

There is not chance...but it is an election year. You won't get it until Trump is gone...and Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #111

Because she already supported it, leftstreet. Hortensis Jun 2018 #93

She's on record supporting Medicare 4 All leftstreet Jun 2018 #143

Okay. Big enough. But that follows the whole Democratic Party, Hortensis Jun 2018 #159

Medicare for All is John Conyer's HR 676. lapucelle Jun 2018 #94

I like Harris a lot. progressoid Jun 2018 #28

Yes, to a point. But we're seeing pervasive patterns Hortensis Jun 2018 #37

As Sanders said to NPR, that's a stupid way to assess endorsements. He isn't endorsing them based on JCanete Jun 2018 #32

Well, let's see. I can stay and try to explain to you Hortensis Jun 2018 #39

At least when you go and talk to them you can work with some facts, so I'd suggest that choice too. JCanete Jun 2018 #44

Yep,not admired by Americans Go Vols Jun 2018 #61

Says who? An old poll from 2016? A poll From Mark Penn? MrPool Jun 2018 #120

"...most populat politician in the US"? Among whom - 538 members of congress and thousands... George II Jun 2018 #178

Sri Preston Kulkarni -Proudly Endorsed by U.S. Senator Kamala Harris Gothmog Jun 2018 #174

Harris is far more important in the party compared to sanders and our revolution Gothmog Jun 2018 #34

Yes, Bernie is not an official member of the Democratic Party Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #18

If we need to leave the door open for Independents, why won't he cross that threshold himself? MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #21

Because we aren't leaving the door open, shanny Jun 2018 #56

Lol. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #62

Sanders prefers a revolving door- he's in, he's out, he's in again. bettyellen Jun 2018 #92

Most so-called independents are highly partisan. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #50

+1 Go Vols Jun 2018 #64

"FDR Democrat" sounds good, but I wonder how many people lapucelle Jun 2018 #107

I wonder how many people have read FDR's Second Bill of Rights as stated during his 1944 Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #127

It is a wonderful statement, but lapucelle Jun 2018 #161

DURec leftstreet Jun 2018 #20

So it's a "war" is it? thucythucy Jun 2018 #27

Seriously? Duppers Jun 2018 #29

Yes. thucythucy Jun 2018 #35

...money in politics maybe that tends to stand in the way of anything that helps the commons? JCanete Jun 2018 #30

And Bernie is winning this war? thucythucy Jun 2018 #36

no, you are right, winning is being equated to a very small and probably fleeting window of JCanete Jun 2018 #38

I tbink your analysis is spot on. thucythucy Jun 2018 #164

Has sanders accomplished anything yet? Gothmog Jun 2018 #43

I've done this with you before. I've answered you from my perspective on that very question. JCanete Jun 2018 #45

So sanders has no accomplishments Gothmog Jun 2018 #46

that's just sad Goth. I'm sad for you right now. JCanete Jun 2018 #47

Sanders has not accomplished anything in the real world because magic does not work in the real worl Gothmog Jun 2018 #168

Economist--Berned out Gothmog Jun 2018 #169

it made you smile that according to this article, free college and masive public works isn't getting JCanete Jun 2018 #170

Living in the real world where one does not rely on magic Gothmog Jun 2018 #171

only if we make it one. JCanete Jun 2018 #172

Real democrats are doing their best by relying on hard work and not magic Gothmog Jun 2018 #173

Beating fascists but hey free stuff is fun to. MrPool Jun 2018 #203

really really horrible way to frame free college and higher minimum wage and public works, all of JCanete Jun 2018 #207

We are fighting for our very democracy MrPool Jun 2018 #210

you don't know me. I voted for Clinton and so did most Sanders supporters. I see a problem with JCanete Jun 2018 #211

Great article. It was interesting. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #185

I also like this part of the article Gothmog Jun 2018 #194

Such a good article...Thanks. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #206

lifted from Alternet.org the facts are the facts. thewhollytoast Jun 2018 #148

CHIP has been defunded and the ACA is being dismantled. NY_20th Jun 2018 #31

The bill on CHIP was only passed by the House Gothmog Jun 2018 #42

Exactly. NY_20th Jun 2018 #68

It doesn't mean he will succeed. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #80

Partly as a result of the divisions in the Democratic party at election time. Caused by those Squinch Jun 2018 #49

Toeing the party line was ineffective shanny Jun 2018 #58

+1 Go Vols Jun 2018 #65

And turning people off from the Democrats was sooooo much more effective. We're right Squinch Jun 2018 #67

Nice try. shanny Jun 2018 #99

Want to address the one I made? You didn't like how things were going, so you blew it Squinch Jun 2018 #110

Aha! The underlying assumption comes up: shanny Jun 2018 #122

And yet here you are, still, speaking against the Democrats. Squinch Jun 2018 #156

You support those who booed at the convention? NY_20th Jun 2018 #71

Where did I say that? shanny Jun 2018 #101

Once again, there is something wrong with anyone who did not fully NY_20th Jun 2018 #108

Once again, focusing only on the 2016 election is stupid and short-sighted. shanny Jun 2018 #119

No, I don't agree that it is short sighted. NY_20th Jun 2018 #125

Then we disagree: imo EVERY election has too much at stake to take anything for granted. shanny Jun 2018 #130

If some were still unable to unite against the most NY_20th Jun 2018 #137

You're not certain unity was the goal? shanny Jun 2018 #144

Oh, FFS. Always dredging up the college protest 55 years ago and ignorning all that came since. Squinch Jun 2018 #157

Some of them thought that electing Trump would bring about "the revolution" sooner. Just ask Susan Tarheel_Dem Jun 2018 #139

It would have been effective if folks supported the Democratic nominee and the gerrymander Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #84

Not voting for Hillary is why Feingold lost his seat? shanny Jun 2018 #102

It is the only reason we have Trump. Sparkly Jun 2018 #104

My point is that Feingold was far from a 'centrist' and he lost too.This had nothing to do with Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #115

I will never understand those who booed at the Convention. NY_20th Jun 2018 #70

Short-sighted idiots, all of them. It was an attack on a Democratic nominee. Squinch Jun 2018 #73

EXACTLY. Sparkly Jun 2018 #103

i will forever love bernie for remembering those of us forgotten by the aca..healthcare is a human questionseverything Jun 2018 #33

Bernie on CNN last nite Go Vols Jun 2018 #51

And what was the result? No health care for at least two years of any sort and maybe longer Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #86

Well now millions will lose healthcare and we lose the chance of a public option...thanks for Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #121

Sanders is going to have to file tax returns to get onto ballot in sevaral blue states Gothmog Jun 2018 #41

Yes he's done pretty well at the state level but nationally just a few mvd Jun 2018 #54

Bernie's fighting the good fight. shanny Jun 2018 #59

If the good fight MrPool Jun 2018 #79

lol shanny Jun 2018 #153

Glad you think it's funny MrPool Jun 2018 #165

Assumptions make an ass of you-- shanny Jun 2018 #166

Yes absurd indeed. MrPool Jun 2018 #167

Reads like a long winded Trump tweet. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #72

I remember a candidate who "lined up close to Sanders"... Sparkly Jun 2018 #85

She who shall not be named MrPool Jun 2018 #89

Of all the idiotic, indefensible Bernie-bashing I see on DU... Jim Lane Jun 2018 #109

No...it was the division that cost us 2000 and 2016 as well. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #123

I'll reply Sparkly Jun 2018 #126

I am of course NOT rooting for Bernie to run against Democrats. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #140

Super! Sparkly Jun 2018 #141

I'm glad you're finally getting it. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #146

Not that you're patronizing... Sparkly Jun 2018 #149

All part of framing the debate. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #98

And..............Trash................. trixie2 Jun 2018 #112

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #113

Oh someone's winning a war alright, Putin. JNelson6563 Jun 2018 #114

Just curious about something: Is Joe Manchin "a helpful idiot to Putin"? Jim Lane Jun 2018 #124

Ok, you're being deliberately obtuse here. JNelson6563 Jun 2018 #131

You talk about "mischaracterizing" and then you outright LIE about Bernie. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #135

Grand of "Bernie" to endorse the Democratic nominee Sparkly Jun 2018 #147

Manchin isn't the topic of this thread JNelson6563 Jun 2018 #150

Since you won't answer that question, here's another Jim Lane Jun 2018 #162

That's so contrived and convoluted, I'd give it a point for creativity. Sparkly Jun 2018 #134

This is what democracy looks like. aikoaiko Jun 2018 #142

Americans are much more liberal than people think. PatrickforO Jun 2018 #152

If this is so, than why are 32 states have GOP governors and legislature? We are Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #184

I guess things are slow over at JPR. Squinch Jun 2018 #155

Heh! betsuni Jun 2018 #160

Prediction: If Biden beats Bernie, media will say Bernie won Schedule Jun 2018 #158

Oh, yeah, that well-known bias of the corporate media in favor of democratic socialism. (n/t) Jim Lane Jun 2018 #163

No. In favor of creating a neck-and-neck horserace where none exists. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #181

I'm not going to bother finding links for you.... Jim Lane Jun 2018 #186

The same corporate media MrPool Jun 2018 #201

Some great comments from Hillary Clinton Gothmog Jun 2018 #175

Hillary is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT in that observation of Bernie. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #179

Hillary Clinton's comments are very relevant to the OP Gothmog Jun 2018 #180

Thank GOD she's not off somewhere knitting! George II Jun 2018 #192

I Stand With HRC Me. Jun 2018 #212

K&R.. keep pushing.. disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #177

Is that really his goal? Really? NurseJackie Jun 2018 #182

So kind of you to restate Bernie's message for him. (n/t) Jim Lane Jun 2018 #188

You're welcome. It's a toxic message that denigrates the Party and serves no good purpose. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #189

You write, "There are no two ways about it." Yup, that's the motto for all too many DUers. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #190

Anyone who denigrates the Democratic party is helping the GOP. There are no two ways about it! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #193

We already had a candidate who called for single-payer healthcare Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #183

It makes sense to push for single payer even with a GOP-controlled Congress Jim Lane Jun 2018 #187

What's the point in pushing for something that doesn't have the votes to pass? Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #198

You say we get control of Congress "BY VOTING!!" Jim Lane Jun 2018 #200

I'm already out there canvassing Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #202

I wasn't criticizing your personal commitment. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #205

"...But if you get 45 percent of the vote now, next time you may well win." George II Jun 2018 #191

That much, huh? NurseJackie Jun 2018 #195

Most of those in the California primary last week were 6%. George II Jun 2018 #196

Hey now give the OR crowd a break MrPool Jun 2018 #204

With attitudes like this stick a fork in 2020 kamalafan Jun 2018 #208

Welcome to DU, Chicken Little. FSogol Jun 2018 #209

It would be nice to get past this weird cult of personality Tarc Jun 2018 #213

Take it up with the people at NPR. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #214

Aww, little bent outta shape there, Wiki-bro? Tarc Jun 2018 #215

"obsessively focus on Bernie for the purpose of bashing him." --- Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #216

I sincerely doubt that's possible. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #217