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Garrett78

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90. And yet a majority of working class folks are voting for Democrats.

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 07:35 PM

Jun 2018

If a subset of working class voters (i.e., white men) are doing the opposite of their fellow working class peers, then it's not because of messaging. Maybe the messaging does need to be stronger, but the messaging can't be blamed for what is clearly a racial/sex divide among the working class.

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Sanders isn't the only one to be wary of in 2020. [View all] Garrett78 Jun 2018 OP

To be "wary of"? Truly? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #1

I'll momentarily play your game: Garrett78 Jun 2018 #3

It became a game when you wrote your title. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #5

You weren't addressing the topic. I placated you nonetheless. I'm done now. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #6

Yeah, I'm alwys wary of someone who talks Autumn Jun 2018 #7

Not addressing the topic, but thanks. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #12

Wasn't addressing you but thanks anyway. Autumn Jun 2018 #15

If you can't stick within the ridiculous framing Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #22

A one way discussion on one persons set up talking points is limited discussion Autumn Jun 2018 #24

Well said. Nothing to add to that. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #66

Let's not be "wary" of anybody. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #2

If Dems bash 'identity politics' or 'political correctness', I'm going to be wary. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #4

I'm going to be wary of Dems who bash "single payer" Jim Lane Jun 2018 #59

I don't see a conflict marylandblue Jun 2018 #8

That's a false dichotomy. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #11

What do you mean by false dichotomy here? marylandblue Jun 2018 #20

I'm talking about "social liberals and economic liberals." Garrett78 Jun 2018 #26

I am saying the opposite of ignoring identity politics marylandblue Jun 2018 #28

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2018 #9

He's A Very Ambitious Self Avowed Corporatist Me. Jun 2018 #10

Ha! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #86

You be wary, I'll be hopeful. bluedigger Jun 2018 #13

Thank you. Qutzupalotl Jun 2018 #14

Like standing *for* policies that address systemic racism and sexism. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #17

That's getting closer, but still an "against." Qutzupalotl Jun 2018 #23

This is a white supremacist, patriarchal society. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #27

You will note I did not say we should shy away Qutzupalotl Jun 2018 #38

Again, the platforms I referenced do just that. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #39

I want policies addressing racism and sexism to be front and center. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #16

So do I. Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #18

They aren't separate from economic issues, of course. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #19

They're called Civil Rights. NY_20th Jun 2018 #21

I like you! Squinch Jun 2018 #31

Well, gosh. NY_20th Jun 2018 #33

Welcome! Glad you're here! Squinch Jun 2018 #35

"Identity Politics" is a right-wing smear framing of Civil Rights. And Dems support Civil Rights emulatorloo Jun 2018 #43

Yes! robbedvoter Jun 2018 #97

I'm beyond wary of anyone who dismisses Civil Rights. Cha Jun 2018 #79

Appealing to whites is the ultimate identity politics. johnnyrocket Jun 2018 #25

"Racism and sexism should be front and center. " Ferrets are Cool Jun 2018 #29

Agree on that True Blue American Jun 2018 #32

"Identity politics" isn't what Democrats have been leading with. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #37

Well said and thank you for saying it emulatorloo Jun 2018 #45

Yes,it is. True Blue American Jun 2018 #48

I can't stop you from buying into right wing talking points. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #55

The narrative is that the veryleft will attract independent s ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #30

Moderate Democrat True Blue American Jun 2018 #34

I'm willing to compromise in 2020 if I HAVE to DFW Jun 2018 #36

Good for Howard Dean. True Blue American Jun 2018 #49

HRC Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #54

No ono without a D behind their title will get my vote leftofcool Jun 2018 #40

For the uncompromising purists out there, keep one thing in mind... world wide wally Jun 2018 #41

I don't subscribe to "lesser of two evils" rhetoric. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #42

That is my point world wide wally Jun 2018 #50

I vote for the person who will do the best job and will protect vulnerable citizens emulatorloo Jun 2018 #44

Looking at the replies, you've obviously touched some nerves. Good! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #46

I like Joe Biden Gothmog Jun 2018 #47

"Wary"? lol shanny Jun 2018 #51

In your best Elmer Fudd voice say thewhollytoast Jun 2018 #52

... shanny Jun 2018 #53

Hahaha...Soshawists progressoid Jun 2018 #99

Yes, because the "economic anxiety"/win over Trump voters argument is dangerous. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #56

There's no economic anxiety? shanny Jun 2018 #60

That isn't the argument. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #61

I submit that Democrats need to focus on issues shanny Jun 2018 #63

Combating systemic racism and sexism does improve the lives of all Americans. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #67

There's a joke about a billionaire, a black guy and a white guy shanny Jun 2018 #69

Again, see the links I've provided. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #71

The "base" is--at best--30% of American voters. shanny Jun 2018 #73

The Democratic nominee's economic proposals were light years ahead NY_20th Jun 2018 #74

"Ahead"? What does that mean? shanny Jun 2018 #89

further forward. Leading. NY_20th Jun 2018 #91

lol shanny Jun 2018 #92

And here I was trying to be lighthearted with you, NY_20th Jun 2018 #95

Regarding those Obama-Trump voters: Garrett78 Jun 2018 #76

If it's in our platform I'm good with it. I don't think the same message should be front and center jalan48 Jun 2018 #57

you are misconstruing what Sanders was saying, and maybe should take his qoutes in context, JCanete Jun 2018 #58

I didn't quote Sanders, so I couldn't have taken a quote out of context. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #64

first, not disproven by study after study. Asking people why they voted for somebody is not JCanete Jun 2018 #72

Here are some links: Garrett78 Jun 2018 #75

Mahalo for the links, Garrett.. and Cha Jun 2018 #77

Hopefully you saw the OP after I edited it to include a couple more links. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #78

I will check it out when I get back.. meanwhile I posted Cha Jun 2018 #80

Thank you for an excellent OP and for the links and research. I'm SO SICK of the LIES... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #81

It's infected the likes of Tim Ryan, as well. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #82

just to be clear, no dispute here on what media in general, but specifically the right wing, is JCanete Jun 2018 #83

Dems already have a message that should (and does) appeal to the majority of working class folks. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #84

Its not gotten dead wrong. You said it right there. Racism is a tool. It has always been a tool. It JCanete Jun 2018 #85

Again, the Democratic message is already heavily geared toward the working class. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #87

Of course, you fire up the base. It would be nice to get the base and then enough other voters to JCanete Jun 2018 #88

And yet a majority of working class folks are voting for Democrats. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #90

the issue with this argument is that there are a lot of reasons why people of color JCanete Jun 2018 #93

Anyone who, at this point, thinks Republicans are better on economics is a damn fool. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #94

heh...I'd say drastically misinformed, and that there are reasons, a part of which we are to blame, JCanete Jun 2018 #96

What's there to be wary of regarding Bernie? He's represents the best of progressive ideals. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #62

Where did you get this from? NY_20th Jun 2018 #65

So Bernie is 1 of the top Senators, serving in a "STRONG DEM" state according to your source, InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #68

Please provide a link for this. NY_20th Jun 2018 #70

Are you making that up, or do you have a source to back up your claim?... SidDithers Jun 2018 #98

No, I did see that somewhere... will look for it again. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #101

FYI, Bernie has #5 lowest "Trump score", Gillbrand has the lowest #1 Trump score andym Jun 2018 #104

WTG Bernie.. that's pretty damn good!! Hat's off to Send Gillibrand for bein' #1 in that category. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #106

Survey says! Healthcare is #1, followed by the economy/jobs, guns, taxes/spending, then immigration progressoid Jun 2018 #100

Nice try. Systemic racism and sexism weren't part of the survey, except in the sense that... Garrett78 Jun 2018 #105

The respondents also had the option of 'Other', 'None of these', or 'Not sure' progressoid Jun 2018 #108

LOL. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #109

What's to LOL about? progressoid Jun 2018 #111

Very few people are going to select "other." Using that to support your case resulted in my LOL. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #112

Another Bernie hater thread hueymahl Jun 2018 #102

No, but okay. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #110

we need to put the message out that TalenaGor Jun 2018 #103

You are correct K&R EffieBlack Jun 2018 #107