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Sanders isn't the only one to be wary of in 2020. [View all] Garrett78 Jun 2018 OP

To be "wary of"? Truly? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #1

I'll momentarily play your game: Garrett78 Jun 2018 #3

It became a game when you wrote your title. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #5

You weren't addressing the topic. I placated you nonetheless. I'm done now. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #6

Yeah, I'm alwys wary of someone who talks Autumn Jun 2018 #7

Not addressing the topic, but thanks. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #12

Wasn't addressing you but thanks anyway. Autumn Jun 2018 #15

If you can't stick within the ridiculous framing Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #22

A one way discussion on one persons set up talking points is limited discussion Autumn Jun 2018 #24

Well said. Nothing to add to that. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #66

Let's not be "wary" of anybody. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #2

If Dems bash 'identity politics' or 'political correctness', I'm going to be wary. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #4

I'm going to be wary of Dems who bash "single payer" Jim Lane Jun 2018 #59

I don't see a conflict marylandblue Jun 2018 #8

That's a false dichotomy. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #11

What do you mean by false dichotomy here? marylandblue Jun 2018 #20

I'm talking about "social liberals and economic liberals." Garrett78 Jun 2018 #26

I am saying the opposite of ignoring identity politics marylandblue Jun 2018 #28

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2018 #9

He's A Very Ambitious Self Avowed Corporatist Me. Jun 2018 #10

Ha! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #86

You be wary, I'll be hopeful. bluedigger Jun 2018 #13

Thank you. Qutzupalotl Jun 2018 #14

Like standing *for* policies that address systemic racism and sexism. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #17

That's getting closer, but still an "against." Qutzupalotl Jun 2018 #23

This is a white supremacist, patriarchal society. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #27

You will note I did not say we should shy away Qutzupalotl Jun 2018 #38

Again, the platforms I referenced do just that. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #39

I want policies addressing racism and sexism to be front and center. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #16

So do I. Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #18

They aren't separate from economic issues, of course. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #19

They're called Civil Rights. NY_20th Jun 2018 #21

I like you! Squinch Jun 2018 #31

Well, gosh. NY_20th Jun 2018 #33

Welcome! Glad you're here! Squinch Jun 2018 #35

"Identity Politics" is a right-wing smear framing of Civil Rights. And Dems support Civil Rights emulatorloo Jun 2018 #43

Yes! robbedvoter Jun 2018 #97

I'm beyond wary of anyone who dismisses Civil Rights. Cha Jun 2018 #79

Appealing to whites is the ultimate identity politics. johnnyrocket Jun 2018 #25

"Racism and sexism should be front and center. " Ferrets are Cool Jun 2018 #29

Agree on that True Blue American Jun 2018 #32

"Identity politics" isn't what Democrats have been leading with. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #37

Well said and thank you for saying it emulatorloo Jun 2018 #45

Yes,it is. True Blue American Jun 2018 #48

I can't stop you from buying into right wing talking points. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #55

The narrative is that the veryleft will attract independent s ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #30

Moderate Democrat True Blue American Jun 2018 #34

I'm willing to compromise in 2020 if I HAVE to DFW Jun 2018 #36

Good for Howard Dean. True Blue American Jun 2018 #49

HRC Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #54

No ono without a D behind their title will get my vote leftofcool Jun 2018 #40

For the uncompromising purists out there, keep one thing in mind... world wide wally Jun 2018 #41

I don't subscribe to "lesser of two evils" rhetoric. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #42

That is my point world wide wally Jun 2018 #50

I vote for the person who will do the best job and will protect vulnerable citizens emulatorloo Jun 2018 #44

Looking at the replies, you've obviously touched some nerves. Good! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #46

I like Joe Biden Gothmog Jun 2018 #47

"Wary"? lol shanny Jun 2018 #51

In your best Elmer Fudd voice say thewhollytoast Jun 2018 #52

... shanny Jun 2018 #53

Hahaha...Soshawists progressoid Jun 2018 #99

Yes, because the "economic anxiety"/win over Trump voters argument is dangerous. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #56

There's no economic anxiety? shanny Jun 2018 #60

That isn't the argument. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #61

I submit that Democrats need to focus on issues shanny Jun 2018 #63

Combating systemic racism and sexism does improve the lives of all Americans. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #67

There's a joke about a billionaire, a black guy and a white guy shanny Jun 2018 #69

Again, see the links I've provided. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #71

The "base" is--at best--30% of American voters. shanny Jun 2018 #73

The Democratic nominee's economic proposals were light years ahead NY_20th Jun 2018 #74

"Ahead"? What does that mean? shanny Jun 2018 #89

further forward. Leading. NY_20th Jun 2018 #91

lol shanny Jun 2018 #92

And here I was trying to be lighthearted with you, NY_20th Jun 2018 #95

Regarding those Obama-Trump voters: Garrett78 Jun 2018 #76

If it's in our platform I'm good with it. I don't think the same message should be front and center jalan48 Jun 2018 #57

you are misconstruing what Sanders was saying, and maybe should take his qoutes in context, JCanete Jun 2018 #58

I didn't quote Sanders, so I couldn't have taken a quote out of context. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #64

first, not disproven by study after study. Asking people why they voted for somebody is not JCanete Jun 2018 #72

Here are some links: Garrett78 Jun 2018 #75

Mahalo for the links, Garrett.. and Cha Jun 2018 #77

Hopefully you saw the OP after I edited it to include a couple more links. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #78

I will check it out when I get back.. meanwhile I posted Cha Jun 2018 #80

Thank you for an excellent OP and for the links and research. I'm SO SICK of the LIES... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #81

It's infected the likes of Tim Ryan, as well. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #82

just to be clear, no dispute here on what media in general, but specifically the right wing, is JCanete Jun 2018 #83

Dems already have a message that should (and does) appeal to the majority of working class folks. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #84

Its not gotten dead wrong. You said it right there. Racism is a tool. It has always been a tool. It JCanete Jun 2018 #85

Again, the Democratic message is already heavily geared toward the working class. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #87

Of course, you fire up the base. It would be nice to get the base and then enough other voters to JCanete Jun 2018 #88

And yet a majority of working class folks are voting for Democrats. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #90

the issue with this argument is that there are a lot of reasons why people of color JCanete Jun 2018 #93

Anyone who, at this point, thinks Republicans are better on economics is a damn fool. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #94

heh...I'd say drastically misinformed, and that there are reasons, a part of which we are to blame, JCanete Jun 2018 #96

What's there to be wary of regarding Bernie? He's represents the best of progressive ideals. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #62

Where did you get this from? NY_20th Jun 2018 #65

So Bernie is 1 of the top Senators, serving in a "STRONG DEM" state according to your source, InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #68

Please provide a link for this. NY_20th Jun 2018 #70

Are you making that up, or do you have a source to back up your claim?... SidDithers Jun 2018 #98

No, I did see that somewhere... will look for it again. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #101

FYI, Bernie has #5 lowest "Trump score", Gillbrand has the lowest #1 Trump score andym Jun 2018 #104

WTG Bernie.. that's pretty damn good!! Hat's off to Send Gillibrand for bein' #1 in that category. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #106

Survey says! Healthcare is #1, followed by the economy/jobs, guns, taxes/spending, then immigration progressoid Jun 2018 #100

Nice try. Systemic racism and sexism weren't part of the survey, except in the sense that... Garrett78 Jun 2018 #105

The respondents also had the option of 'Other', 'None of these', or 'Not sure' progressoid Jun 2018 #108

LOL. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #109

What's to LOL about? progressoid Jun 2018 #111

Very few people are going to select "other." Using that to support your case resulted in my LOL. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #112

Another Bernie hater thread hueymahl Jun 2018 #102

No, but okay. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #110

we need to put the message out that TalenaGor Jun 2018 #103

You are correct K&R EffieBlack Jun 2018 #107