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shanny

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54. oy vey

Sun Jun 10, 2018, 10:26 AM

Jun 2018

the entire point of "constructive" criticism is make something better! if something is flawed / not working, it doesn't get fixed by being ignored. it gets fixed by recognizing the problem and changing things.

I think it is both foolish and counterproductive to claim that there is nothing wrong with a party that has lost--again I have to say this!--1000 state leg seats, 2/3 of the governorships, the House, the Senate, and now the presidency to the worst, slimiest, stupidest, most immoral, most unqualified and least capable candidate in our history!

Sure there were many factors, and all of them need to be addressed....but ONE of those factors was our party. We are adults. One of the things adults don't do is bang on things and claim nothing that happens to them is in any way their fault. Leave that to tRump.

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There seems to be a lot of Democratic party bashing in the past couple weeks on DU. [View all] C Moon Jun 2018 OP

We are experiencing a wave -- just not a blue wave. Resist them. Hekate Jun 2018 #1

Yes! C Moon Jun 2018 #2

right wing trolls always increase around election time JI7 Jun 2018 #3

What's behind it all? RandySF Jun 2018 #4

Those who are here only BlueMTexpat Jun 2018 #5

Constructive criticism is not bashing jodymarie aimee Jun 2018 #6

No, it's on Fucking Russia and all those who Cha Jun 2018 #10

+1 (n/t) FreepFryer Jun 2018 #16

.. Cha Jun 2018 #19

Yep. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #64

.. Cha Jun 2018 #122

Right, Cha! And spooky3 Jun 2018 #103

Yes, Thanks for Specifying the Enablers, Spooky! Cha Jun 2018 #123

:-) spooky3 Jun 2018 #124

Wrong. betsuni Jun 2018 #12

No such thing as constructive criticism. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #13

Do you really believe this or are you being sarcastic? oberliner Jun 2018 #14

I mean it...there is nothing constructive about criticizing the Democratic Party, It merely drives Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #15

Does that include criticism of Kirsten Gillibrand? oberliner Jun 2018 #17

Who? brush Jun 2018 #23

The junior Democratic senator from NY oberliner Jun 2018 #36

Oh her. Wasn't she once a contender for the Dem nomination for president... brush Jun 2018 #40

She's still a contender oberliner Jun 2018 #42

Not by many. brush Jun 2018 #43

The top 15 Democratic presidential hopefuls for 2020, ranked (Washington Post) oberliner Jun 2018 #46

So there are five ahead of her? brush Jun 2018 #48

Bernie, Warren, and Biden still top the list oberliner Jun 2018 #49

Who are the other two ahead of her? brush Jun 2018 #55

Harris and Booker oberliner Jun 2018 #67

"some would argue" --- LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #58

Well the WaPo listed him as #1 of "Top 15 Democratic presidential hopefuls" oberliner Jun 2018 #68

Oh good grief! GMAFB! Nice try, but totally irrelevant. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #84

What do you imagine happened that would in any way affect her possible Presidential plans? brooklynite Jun 2018 #126

Not grumbling. Stating reality. Her 2020 ambitions are toast. brush Jun 2018 #127

Based on what evidence? brooklynite Jun 2018 #128

And you somehow think that won't come up in the primaries brush Jun 2018 #129

...along with every other member of the Senate Caucus. After Franken apologized for his behavior. brooklynite Jun 2018 #137

And you as well. I wasn't the one who bought up Gillibrand in this thread. brush Jun 2018 #140

One can say as I have and others that they won't back her in a primary but attacking her is against Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #37

Understood oberliner Jun 2018 #44

People read this site and quote it too...I didn't say criticism isn't allowed ...not my place. I Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #61

Depends what the criticism is. bearsfootball516 Jun 2018 #29

Not everyone agree with what is wrong first of all and the party can cater to a million Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #38

I don't think so. And why would anyone join a party that their own members complain about...what Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #78

Lordy , lordy--there's a recipe shanny Jun 2018 #22

OK...sure but where does winning fit in because some of the reason we lost people in the party is Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #39

oy vey shanny Jun 2018 #54

Not everyone agrees on what makes a party 'better'. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #59

That sounds like "stand for nothing except winning" shanny Jun 2018 #60

Winning is everything...and the naivete I see here about what is possible is Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #75

People who don't learn from history... shanny Jun 2018 #82

And without the blue dogs we get nothing...no way you get liberals in those states...that is Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #100

Your zombie meme "Heritage Foundation equals Obamacare" needs to die. It's bullshit. emulatorloo Jun 2018 #105

How is calling Democrats "weak," "spineless," "corporatists" mcar Jun 2018 #66

+ 1 treestar Jun 2018 #79

I would actually welcome true constructive criticism mcar Jun 2018 #88

Agreed! There's nothing constructive about mere insults and name-calling. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #85

Or the same old, same old mcar Jun 2018 #89

And the same old "where are the Democrats to say x and fight back?" treestar Jun 2018 #91

Well, see, before the "construction" comes the "demolition" MineralMan Jun 2018 #99

Something like that mcar Jun 2018 #102

This disinformation is an attempt to discourage voters from going to the polls emulatorloo Jun 2018 #106

I well remember it, emulatorloo mcar Jun 2018 #112

Depends on if it is true I guess. shanny Jun 2018 #131

Not constructive mcar Jun 2018 #132

Many would disagree. shanny Jun 2018 #135

Or calling liberals "fucking retarded" progressoid Jun 2018 #133

egzactly! shanny Jun 2018 #138

THIS progressoid Jun 2018 #130

Thank you for your comment! It clarifies a lot. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #90

Jim the house is on fire...now is not the time to remake the party.And I would bet you and I might Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #96

So that didn't answer the question. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #116

I answered that before but happy to do so again...I was referring to criticizing the party. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #118

Ok got it. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #120

I am against criticism of any sort in general...but I am not a DU God and can't tell people Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #125

You're against criticism of any sort in general... progressoid Jun 2018 #134

Amazing melman Jun 2018 #104

Yes it is! It's definitely bashing, especially when ... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #18

Wow! Cha Jun 2018 #20

Now that's what I'm talking about. Love it. brush Jun 2018 #24

True enough, so well said. CatMor Jun 2018 #30

Yes, indeed! Guilded Lilly Jun 2018 #35

Right. shanny Jun 2018 #21

Bashing is not constructive criticism mcar Jun 2018 #32

Agreed! Calling Democrats "feeble" and "corrupt" and "ideologically bankrupt" is not constructive... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #51

Exactly mcar Jun 2018 #65

Too many here are still NOT ready to accept this. aikoaiko Jun 2018 #33

Aw. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #53

No worries. You'll still get to hear the criticisms here on DU and elsewhere aikoaiko Jun 2018 #56

Those who seek to smear and divide and weaken the Democratic party... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #63

I don't think anyone has an issue with people who care DFW Jun 2018 #92

Accept what... certain defeat becauses that is where we are headed if we continue to bash the party. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #76

Accept that we have to talk about how we can appeal to more voters. aikoaiko Jun 2018 #80

Here is the Democratic Party Platform NY_20th Jun 2018 #93

I wonder if the Very Concerned People among us will ever read that Hekate Jun 2018 #110

Its a lovely platform, mostly. aikoaiko Jun 2018 #114

Our platform is great but we have 32 states in GOP hands...they voted for governors in a statewide Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #101

Here's the thing. I'm not talking about more liberal or leftie candidates in this thread. aikoaiko Jun 2018 #115

I believe in working within the state or district...and tailering a message for that district. And Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #119

Agreed. TDale313 Jun 2018 #73

Suuuurrreee... Adrahil Jun 2018 #98

"That's on us"? Are you effing joking? Hekate Jun 2018 #108

Disagree! Caliman73 Jun 2018 #136

There were only 2 candidates who could win jodymarie aimee Jun 2018 #139

We're in the middle of a huge battle for power. Hortensis Jun 2018 #7

I've been surprised at the dismissive criticism empedocles Jun 2018 #8

one intent of russian interference is to drive a wedge in the democratic party and to tell beachbum bob Jun 2018 #9

You're right. It doesn't take much. A few comments about there not being... brush Jun 2018 #25

I recall info saying russia trolls fomented arguments about Beyonce empedocles Jun 2018 #47

Yep. Just say "vote for Democrats", not "independents should transform the party". brush Jun 2018 #50

the bot software machinery can issue 10's of thousands of user comments and postings in minutes beachbum bob Jun 2018 #52

it's dissent, not descent shanti Jun 2018 #77

Spellcheck..what can I say... beachbum bob Jun 2018 #121

I'd like to address MFM008 Jun 2018 #11

+1 C Moon Jun 2018 #97

Ill be more diplomatic BannonsLiver Jun 2018 #111

I don't read posts bashing dems because I've always been a democrat blueinredohio Jun 2018 #26

Bernie ain't unity or a Democrat. democratisphere Jun 2018 #27

This place has become an echo chamber. And not much more. Ron Green Jun 2018 #28

Trolls Stinky The Clown Jun 2018 #31

Haven't seen it. What are examples? aikoaiko Jun 2018 #34

Well, the November election IS drawing nearer each day... MineralMan Jun 2018 #41

I'm permanently suspicious of such party bashing, since 2016. Paladin Jun 2018 #45

Me too. I don't trust folks who do it constantly. I am tired of having OR shoved down my throat... Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #62

The problem is the origin is well disguised. Blue_true Jun 2018 #71

This is a defining moment if our country WhiteTara Jun 2018 #57

Then why DiverDave Jun 2018 #69

I lulz'd KG Jun 2018 #70

i came to DU with eyes wide open but found that far too many Kurt V. Jun 2018 #72

Obviously. Snackshack Jun 2018 #74

The undermining of unity is . . . peggysue2 Jun 2018 #81

Where is all this Democratic bashing ? I see tons of Bernie bashing. CentralMass Jun 2018 #83

Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #86

The Democrat bashing ?. CentralMass Jun 2018 #95

Russians did this in 2016 and they're doing it again NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #87

Don't think they realize that reading trash talk against a strongly held belief just makes it unitedwethrive Jun 2018 #94

You just now figured that out? Lil Missy Jun 2018 #107

Debate vs. Bashing northremembers Jun 2018 #109

I've also seen Democratic candidates bash the Democratic party crazycatlady Jun 2018 #113

Past couple of weeks, hahaha. joshcryer Jun 2018 #117