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Demsrule86

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135. Sen. Sanders advocates for something that is not possible and may not be for many years while

Mon Jun 11, 2018, 06:43 AM

Jun 2018

not doing enough to help save the ACA...It is my opinion that many of his supporters think that the ACA fails and bingo we get single payer. It won't happen any time soon. And during the ACA fight, there were many Democrats who wanted single payer or a public option. We didn't have the votes. We don't have the votes now either.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2018 OP

Sorry we disagee here, Peg. elleng Jun 2018 #1

Do you speak for everyone? njhoneybadger Jun 2018 #2

She doesn't appear to be. tazkcmo Jun 2018 #3

I speak for myself, which should be apparent. elleng Jun 2018 #5

Clearly, the "we" in your subject was confusing to someone... Beartracks Jun 2018 #111

No, obviously. dhol82 Jun 2018 #6

I think his time is finished. dhol82 Jun 2018 #7

What? pangaia Jun 2018 #64

How do you get that out of her post? Texasgal Jun 2018 #87

Why ask such a question? There's no need to be rude like that when someone is... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #103

Why not ask the same of the OP? -- answer, NEITHER claimed to speak for everyone karynnj Jun 2018 #174

What so many people miss about Bernie... rwsanders Jun 2018 #25

YES, Thank you, rwsanders. elleng Jun 2018 #29

Except the Democrats have been saying it for years, and are the ones advancing the very ChrisTee Jun 2018 #57

I agree. brer cat Jun 2018 #68

The heartbreak we didn't get HRC in there to work on ACA. Instead it is being attacked, once again. ChrisTee Jun 2018 #73

In general, Democrats have not campaigned for healthcare for all. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #99

This is just laughable. Hillary Clinton started the Universal R B Garr Jun 2018 #104

And Sanders adopted HRC's college plan realizing free college for all benefited the upper brackets. ChrisTee Jun 2018 #113

Yes, plus he never explains why his ideas are not a reality in Vermont. Just R B Garr Jun 2018 #121

So he's the governor of Vermont and not the Senator? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #153

Oh goodness, this is always hilarious how he's not responsible R B Garr Jun 2018 #161

You know he's on the Outreach Committee, right? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #162

His rally's are about his core pet issues. He is the promoter R B Garr Jun 2018 #165

Wait? I thought those things he stands for are long-time Dem positions. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #166

But Vermont doesn't have his pet issues. Right? R B Garr Jun 2018 #168

The Outreach position isn't about voters. n/t tammywammy Jun 2018 #167

Do you ask that of ANY other potential nominee??? karynnj Jun 2018 #175

None of the others put themselves out as saviors R B Garr Jun 2018 #180

Everyone who puts themselves out as President does so because they have some confidence that karynnj Jun 2018 #201

Free college for all benefits everyone and gets the economy going. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #150

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If the openings are limited, it's not free post-secondary education. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #156

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2018 #159

Yes, more and more Democrats are joining Bernie on a whole host of issues... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #107

Is this performance art? MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #146

Sen. Sanders advocates for something that is not possible and may not be for many years while Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #135

and the untouchable military budget, nt G_j Jun 2018 #147

Yes. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #182

So Democrats need to research and talk about single payer and persuade voters Sophia4 Jun 2018 #184

Yes, the issues will remain. However he didn't invent these issues. These are solid Democratic emulatorloo Jun 2018 #58

Well said... I'm among those of whom you speak. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #105

Me too! Thekaspervote Jun 2018 #123

Same ideas for so many years. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #31

Yes, you take your friends where you found them. If someone offers a hand to help and JoeOtterbein Jun 2018 #40

Well sheshe2 Jun 2018 #50

Looks like I miss read your post. I was starting to hope that times were changing enough to JoeOtterbein Jun 2018 #53

Friends do not call friends morally corrupt. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #61

I think that money buys those who will never let either economic or social justice for us. JoeOtterbein Jun 2018 #69

Thanks, Joe. elleng Jun 2018 #77

No power struggle... Cary Jun 2018 #154

I'm with you. nt Ferrets are Cool Jun 2018 #32

I agree too, in spades shanny Jun 2018 #67

Agreed. Been there, done that in 2016. In 2020 we'll have many... brush Jun 2018 #4

I agree with this. volstork Jun 2018 #24

Define "Actual Democratic" tiredtoo Jun 2018 #35

One who doesn't get help from Russia MrPool Jun 2018 #44

lol shanny Jun 2018 #66

LOL MrPool Jun 2018 #115

Who got help from Russia? tiredtoo Jun 2018 #80

You're not up on things are you? MrPool Jun 2018 #114

I'll give you a name - Sherrod Brown. A solid progressive who is PROUD to be a Democrat emulatorloo Jun 2018 #62

I like Sherrod Brown EOM tiredtoo Jun 2018 #79

He's great. Wish I had a Senator like him. emulatorloo Jun 2018 #88

I like Brown but I wish he hadn't joined the saber-rattlers about North Korea. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #169

I'll Be One Of The Few To Stand By You Me. Jun 2018 #8

As a Sanders Primary supporter there is one other thing rufus dog Jun 2018 #9

Anybody who runs for president has a fairly high opinion of themselves mythology Jun 2018 #83

A reasonable comparison mcar Jun 2018 #10

That's a good way to put my position, also. erronis Jun 2018 #23

He does. Constantly. Kentonio Jun 2018 #197

Yes he does mcar Jun 2018 #202

No, he doesn't. Kentonio Jun 2018 #203

Nancy Pelosi is a year older than Bernie Sanders Sienna86 Jun 2018 #11

Pelosi and Bernie past their prime? Hardly... still strong and kickin' Rethug ass! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #109

What Rethugs ass has he kicked at all?? MrPool Jun 2018 #118

Agree! Wow.. Thank you, CalPeggy! Cha Jun 2018 #12

Not even close in terms of national stature and impact BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #13

Well said!!! rwsanders Jun 2018 #26

Hillary won 34 primary states and Bernie won 23 underthematrix Jun 2018 #34

Don't be so defensive about Hillary Clinton. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #171

I was just stating the facts. Hillary won the nomination because underthematrix Jun 2018 #183

You were just stating irrelevant facts. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #204

Thank you. shanti Jun 2018 #39

Maybe you should ask some ofl his key surrogates MrPool Jun 2018 #45

... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #112

When you say, ".. most of us don't agree, or aren't interested." I'm not sure who you mean. aikoaiko Jun 2018 #14

I agree. CentralMass Jun 2018 #71

Bernie says a lot of very smart things, and I am very interested in what he has to say. StrictlyRockers Jun 2018 #15

I don't want to hear anything he has to say. Cha Jun 2018 #41

Bernie is dreamy. StrictlyRockers Jun 2018 #46

So you say Cha Jun 2018 #51

Ok, I agree that we disagree on this, although I agree with you on most everything else. StrictlyRockers Jun 2018 #86

the thing i will never forgive dennis for- mopinko Jun 2018 #16

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2018 #36

Agreed, and the same comparison had already occurred to me as well. Lisa0825 Jun 2018 #17

I agree. I think if Sanders runs as an Independent, he will see he does not have the support ChrisTee Jun 2018 #18

Are you for some reason hoping Sanders runs as an Independent. shanny Jun 2018 #70

Hoping? I think he will run as Independent. I do not think the Democratic Party will welcome him. ChrisTee Jun 2018 #74

If he declares himself a Democrat, the party will have no choice. shanny Jun 2018 #85

Is that declaration before or after he runs for the Senate in 2018? TexasTowelie Jun 2018 #94

Why should it matter if he does it now? shanny Jun 2018 #97

I don't hate Bernie, but I don't think he is helpful for Democrats. TexasTowelie Jun 2018 #101

I don't particularly care if he is helpful to the Democratic Party shanny Jun 2018 #143

True that I'm not a Vermnonter and I can't make demands of anyone. TexasTowelie Jun 2018 #185

I'm cool with that. shanny Jun 2018 #191

These self-important threats are getting old. If he doesn't R B Garr Jun 2018 #98

Love Bernie, but if he ran as an Independent, I'd be over him in a heartbeat. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #110

He couldn't drop the Democratic party fast enough to go back to Independent. R B Garr Jun 2018 #119

Obviously there's a BIG difference between running for VT Senator and for President. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #131

And that's exactly why he wants to run (again!) as a pretend Democrat NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #158

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2018 #160

To Say The Least Me. Jun 2018 #188

K&R! MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #19

Kucinich wanted a Dept Of Peace. JohnnyRingo Jun 2018 #20

Ho-hum. So tired of this. zentrum Jun 2018 #21

I dont agree quakerboy Jun 2018 #22

Comparison seems accurate to me... SidDithers Jun 2018 #27

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #28

BULL.. Hillary lost because of the Fucking Russians and Cha Jun 2018 #37

I tend to agree relayerbob Jun 2018 #30

I disagree quaker bill Jun 2018 #33

Bernie will stick around long enough to shit the bed in 2020 and help Trump win again. PubliusEnigma Jun 2018 #38

Lookin' like.. Cha Jun 2018 #52

Or long enough to prove people wrong. Raysawesome34 Jun 2018 #207

I have to apologize. Blue_true Jun 2018 #42

magic never-defines-a-path heaven shanny Jun 2018 #81

This thread is pathetic and disgusting Bernie bashing IMHO Stainless Jun 2018 #43

I asked for civility, and your remarks are far from that. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2018 #48

Well read some of the other posts. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #55

You could hide the thread. It's easy. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2018 #56

Yes I could hide all the Bernie bashing threads in gd. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #132

As well as those lauding him as an implicit sacred cow. LanternWaste Jun 2018 #144

Or you could stop trying to divide Democrats Kentonio Jun 2018 #199

Tell that to Senator Sanders. Cha Jun 2018 #108

The problem with Bernie Manastash Jun 2018 #47

Interesting observations. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #96

Nice narrative. However Bernie campaigned for Hillary Clinton.... marble falls Jun 2018 #198

I thought the same thing a while back katmondoo Jun 2018 #49

agreed mehrrh Jun 2018 #54

Kucinich? snort Jun 2018 #59

U call him kucinich then expected civility... Damn funniest thing on du today dembotoz Jun 2018 #60

Obama was criticized "Feet to the fire" here all the time. Why is Bernie special? stevenleser Jun 2018 #126

bernie gets thrown under the bus so often here we could call him greyhound dembotoz Jun 2018 #140

"as far as obama. he was never criticized on du the way bernie is ..." betsuni Jun 2018 #145

happy you find honesty amusing dembotoz Jun 2018 #149

You mean: "I'm happy you honestly find this amusing." betsuni Jun 2018 #157

dont put words in my mouth and i wont crap in yours dembotoz Jun 2018 #177

What was the purpose of this post? mudstump Jun 2018 #63

My purpose was to share my thoughts. Period. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2018 #65

Do you consider your thoughts to be more important than party unity? Kentonio Jun 2018 #200

A civil Rec #47 & K!1 UTUSN Jun 2018 #72

From a Sanders supporter (on issues) and Hillary voter (on party) NRaleighLiberal Jun 2018 #75

Doesn't remind me of Kucinich at all Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #76

Peggy actually I don't agree mvd Jun 2018 #78

Ah, yes, you ask for civility.... DFW Jun 2018 #82

Bernie and his agenda are as relevant and popular as ever. The obsession CentralMass Jun 2018 #84

Wrong. It's a testament to his divisiveness, not his R B Garr Jun 2018 #90

I disagree The negativity here is anti-Sanders hatred. CentralMass Jun 2018 #92

From his divisiveness... R B Garr Jun 2018 #93

I completely agree with you, California Peggy. I just hope he is not allowed to use the Democratic lunamagica Jun 2018 #89

Another civil rec, CaliforniaPeggy. R B Garr Jun 2018 #91

Excellent observations. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #95

As I responded to another post, Bernie favors health insurance that is affordable Sophia4 Jun 2018 #100

BS can "favor" all he wants.. President Obama actually got Cha Jun 2018 #106

Took the "favor" part right outta my 'mouth'. 👏 sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #128

Mahalo, sprinkleeninow.. Cha Jun 2018 #130

Cha, sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #181

I teraz po polsku? DFW Jun 2018 #186

Ja ne speak slovensky very dobre. Very little of Polish. sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #192

Ah, I get it DFW Jun 2018 #194

Hospodi pomiluj. sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #205

By the way, I forgot to mention DFW Jun 2018 #195

I totally agree. nt Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #102

Time will tell. jalan48 Jun 2018 #116

There's definitely some ego involved, IMO. ecstatic Jun 2018 #117

He reminded me of Kucinich from the very beginning. The schtick is impossible to miss. Cruz does it stevenleser Jun 2018 #120

I see major differences between the two Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #122

GMTA, Peggy. I was just thinking about Kucinich yesterday... Hekate Jun 2018 #124

I am not a fan of Bernie Sanders but I have to disagree. Bernie had a lot more success in 2016 StevieM Jun 2018 #125

Thank you for honesty that is all too rare among those "not a fan of Bernie Sanders" Jim Lane Jun 2018 #172

This message was self-deleted by its author Jim Lane Jun 2018 #173

Both Sanders and Kucinich have been on the right side of history AtomicKitten Jun 2018 #127

you don't speak for all of us at all, and you pulled "most of us disagree" out of thin air. JCanete Jun 2018 #129

You don't speak for me. RandiFan1290 Jun 2018 #133

Don't worry, your attempts to divide us before the midterms do not go unnoticed Kentonio Jun 2018 #134

I see a lot of similarities between Bernie and Dennis dansolo Jun 2018 #136

Not a very apt comparison (to put it politely). demmiblue Jun 2018 #137

Samders & Kucinich are fighting for what they've always fought for: Martin Eden Jun 2018 #138

If Bernie cannot see the danger in Donald Trump and the necessity for Democrats to come together... kentuck Jun 2018 #139

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #142

Those cheering crowds of college kids are difficult to give up ehrnst Jun 2018 #141

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Jun 2018 #148

Listened to Bernie for years... N_E_1 for Tennis Jun 2018 #151

exactly right ProfessorPlum Jun 2018 #189

I was amused to see sanders and Our revolution endorse Dennis Gothmog Jun 2018 #155

Dennis Kucinich didn't carry 23 states in the Democratic primary oberliner Jun 2018 #163

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He did not have anything approaching Bernie's level of support in 2004 oberliner Jun 2018 #178

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I don't agree n/t budkin Jun 2018 #164

The comparative political roles of Sanders and Kucinich Jim Lane Jun 2018 #176

I think Bernie sees himself as coopting the party. Adrahil Jun 2018 #187

It's not even Sanders so much as that his ideas and ideals are ones that lots of people ProfessorPlum Jun 2018 #190

I agree. we can do it Jun 2018 #193

Economist--Berned out Gothmog Jun 2018 #196

This is an unwinnable game, Peggy. tavernier Jun 2018 #206

Something occurred to me today, about Bernie Sanders and his political role. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2018 #208