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R B Garr

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220. The whole premise of the Mueller investigations is that Sanders and Trump

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 03:01 PM

Jun 2018

were helped to harm Hillary by demonizing her. Trump copied Sanders' attacks, which is why both campaigns were promoted by the Russians -- to harm Hillary. Of course Sanders voters who turned away from Hillary cost the election. Whether they voted for Trump instead or voted for Stein (as the OP has admitted to...) then that was a lost vote for Hillary. It only took about 75,000 nationally.

You can't trot out one-sided and incomplete analysis that does not incorporate facts we now have. Making yourself feel better by trying to hide behind some meaningless drivel about 2008 and self-serving What About Clinton Voters Eight Years Ago doesn't stop the facts we know now. Read the Mueller indictments. That will set you straight and you will see what Hillary was up against. Foreign attacks, RW attacks and dishonest attacks from the left. Nothing in 2008 was anything -- ANYTHING -- like it. It's time to join reality and learn from it.

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Do you want Bernie supporters to vote for Democrats in November? [View all] Sophia4 Jun 2018 OP

If they still need to be persuaded there isnt anything you can do Fullduplexxx Jun 2018 #1

I agree, if they still have to be persuaded, we are better off wasting no time on them. nt Blue_true Jun 2018 #25

The familiar blackmail, been there , done that, I wish these people would go away. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #30

It's perpetual. It's my understanding this OP refused to vote for Hillary, R B Garr Jun 2018 #36

I knew there was a reason I didnt ever respond to them Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #43

If that is true, why is she allowed to post here? I thought that according to the TOS, you had to lunamagica Jun 2018 #49

:). 12% did, to Trump. Wish THOSE would stay away. Hortensis Jun 2018 #191

This. nt Kahuna7 Jun 2018 #77

Why would Bernie supporters not vote for Democrats in November? mcar Jun 2018 #2

I'm not a Sanders supporter (nor was I a Clinton primary supporter) mythology Jun 2018 #39

So they won't vote against a dictator Nazi because some on the internet were mean to them? mcar Jun 2018 #45

Yeah, Democrats celebrating Democrats winning is such a threat to some. R B Garr Jun 2018 #48

Really EffieBlack Jun 2018 #76

Sounds like Jane Sanders. yardwork Jun 2018 #81

Ah, I get it. tazkcmo Jun 2018 #46

Your concern is noted Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #67

Really? How about them being sore losers who insist on dividing themselves... brush Jun 2018 #105

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #228

You're so uninformed it's ridiculous. Winger Tweeden was put up to that... brush Jun 2018 #231

People will either vote Democratic or help elect Republicans...and that is a fact. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #137

You sure sound like a Sanders supporter. rockfordfile Jun 2018 #222

I can think of a couple of reasons. George II Jun 2018 #95

Why do they need to be persuaded ? Do they not have positions beliers ideas etc JI7 Jun 2018 #3

We have made ourselves crazy trying to get them to vote for us Hamlette Jun 2018 #4

A lower percent of Sanders primary voters voted for Trump than Clinton 2008 voters voted for McCain karynnj Jun 2018 #63

... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #66

Do you have a source for that data? N/T lapucelle Jun 2018 #156

Yes - This article speaks of multiple studies for 2016 and 2008 karynnj Jun 2018 #160

The analysis of the impact is interesting. lapucelle Jun 2018 #162

The WP analysis there completely ignores the impacts that I spoke of karynnj Jun 2018 #165

Anecdotal, personal experience is not data. lapucelle Jun 2018 #169

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #194

You ignore the fact that more of Clinton voters voted for Mccain - which you questioned karynnj Jun 2018 #199

I'm not ignoring any facts. lapucelle Jun 2018 #204

+1 ucrdem Jun 2018 #205

However that does not mean that had Sanders not run, that Hillary Clinton would have won .. karynnj Jun 2018 #207

The whole premise of the Mueller investigations is that Sanders and Trump R B Garr Jun 2018 #220

That is not the premise of the Mueller investigation karynnj Jun 2018 #221

Two words. Tad Devine. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #223

LOL, no. That *IS* the subject of the Mueller investigations, and they R B Garr Jun 2018 #224

You do not have facts - even if you use all caps; we know the exact number of votes she lost by, karynnj Jun 2018 #225

What absolutely absurd wishful thinking to say we don't have FACTS that R B Garr Jun 2018 #227

We obviously disagree - karynnj Jun 2018 #232

Well, more news today shows again that your biased critiques of Hillary Clinton R B Garr Jun 2018 #234

Incoherent nonsense accusing me of things I never said karynnj Jun 2018 #235

LOL, well your walls of words seems okay to you, and you do repeat R B Garr Jun 2018 #236

I've been down the same road with this poster LiberalLovinLug Jun 2018 #240

Not here on DU. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #68

. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #136

Well, you reap what you sow. nt GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #181

I don't know who the "we" you refer to is -- RandomAccess Jun 2018 #163

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. ucrdem Jun 2018 #206

You can either move on, or you can RandomAccess Jun 2018 #209

It isn't personal. Here's the problem: moving on looks an awful lot like repeating the scenario. ucrdem Jun 2018 #211

Yes, I can. RandomAccess Jun 2018 #212

YES, I want them to vote for Democratic candidates! CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2018 #5

You're so sensible my dear Peggy ornotna Jun 2018 #90

Yes. nt irisblue Jun 2018 #6

If they "vote their conscience" SHRED Jun 2018 #7

This election is simple, vote for a democrat or you are supporting traitors. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #31

Same with the last election SHRED Jun 2018 #134

If their consience doesn't tell them to vote Democratic by now, KitSileya Jun 2018 #144

I'm working on a design for a "Begging for Your Vote" avatar. oasis Jun 2018 #8

Are Bernie voters truly undecided between Trump's agenda and Dems? hack89 Jun 2018 #9

Do you think it was a mistake to deny Hillary Clinton votes? R B Garr Jun 2018 #10

Some who did that are pleased with themselves. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #32

Yes, they are very pleased and are back for more...nt R B Garr Jun 2018 #38

It's what Susan Sarandon wanted. Just LOOK at how giddy and animated she is... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #53

+1, Sarandon is seriously delusional! What an incredibly ignorant stance -- let's give all our R B Garr Jun 2018 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2018 #229

Ahh.... Democracy. mac2766 Jun 2018 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author NurseJackie Jun 2018 #219

If they are too fucking stupid to do anything but vote for boston bean Jun 2018 #11

They're looking for FDR/ Dem values. Sienna86 Jun 2018 #12

FDR was president almost 100 years ago...great president no doubt, but what worked then won't work Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #139

They have to make their own choices nini Jun 2018 #13

Why wouldn't Bernie supporters vote for Democrats? NurseJackie Jun 2018 #14

If I was allowed to talk about the past I could tell you stories of one person after another Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #35

Elliot, I'm in the same boat. Control-Z Jun 2018 #47

Nicely done. redstateblues Jun 2018 #166

My RL Bernie supporter friends ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #15

Of course I want them to. But, can I do anything about it... TreasonousBastard Jun 2018 #16

Yes, I want people who support Sanders, among many others... NCTraveler Jun 2018 #17

Sure hurl Jun 2018 #18

will they behave this time? samnsara Jun 2018 #19

I want EVERYONE to vote for dems in november.. Volaris Jun 2018 #20

Sure, but more than that I'd like them to stop w the "both sides" bullshit and educate themselves... bettyellen Jun 2018 #21

For instance the Clinton's do more for those in need in ONE day thru their Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #37

When I talked with some friends about their work in Africa they told me that meant nothing.... bettyellen Jun 2018 #65

It would also be nice if they educated themselves enough to stop believing that their guy invented EffieBlack Jun 2018 #82

Okie Doakie XRubicon Jun 2018 #22

guzzle Brawndo Exotica Jun 2018 #186

I'm not sure I understand the question mac2766 Jun 2018 #23

Same here. Duppers Jun 2018 #238

Is your premise that Bernie supporters are not planning to vote for Democrats in Nov? grantcart Jun 2018 #24

Very well put. We are better off wooing Republicans to vote for Dems than wasting our time ... Hekate Jun 2018 #113

we should be talking to every American because this goes beyond party grantcart Jun 2018 #116

Hmmm Hekate Jun 2018 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author Hekate Jun 2018 #147

Of course! That worked so well last time! shanny Jun 2018 #120

I see irony shading into sarcasm is lost on you. In plain language... Hekate Jun 2018 #123

I'm looking around for Susan Sarandon n/t cynatnite Jun 2018 #26

They'll vote strongly for Dems. Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #27

Those MFM008 Jun 2018 #28

This OP has the same foul odor of Jane Sanders' recent "Third Party" threat. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #29

WAit for it, gonna get way worse and soon, especially since Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #40

Sounds like a threat to me. betsuni Jun 2018 #42

All I got is this in regards to the OP Docreed2003 Jun 2018 #99

Exactly. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #101

Truth! Docreed2003 Jun 2018 #107

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2018 #121

Exactly, they are already trying to turn 2020 into a Contested/Brokered Convention. Hoyt Jun 2018 #103

Is this the new meme...vote for us or else? OR is losing so now instead of working to earn Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #141

If they don't they're fucking morons Codeine Jun 2018 #33

If they can't see for themselves how important that is... Adrahil Jun 2018 #34

Why do they need to be presuded? Trumpocalypse Jun 2018 #41

What's the point of this question? tazkcmo Jun 2018 #44

Nailed it! bettyellen Jun 2018 #151

Oh please, not this again NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #50

You can say that again grantcart Jun 2018 #89

I saw what you did mcar Jun 2018 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #51

Only if they want to get Republicans and Trump out of control of the government. ooky Jun 2018 #52

Hit and run?...nt SidDithers Jun 2018 #54

Seems to rotate... R B Garr Jun 2018 #57

and anti-Pelosi mcar Jun 2018 #71

Drive-by. Not at all unusual. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #64

Most of them will, regardless, despite what some folks say... welivetotreadonkings Jun 2018 #55

Because that worked so well for them last time. Squinch Jun 2018 #56

Did you vote for Hillary Clinton in the GE? lunamagica Jun 2018 #58

Crickets Hekate Jun 2018 #148

No, she didn't vote for Hillary in the GE. I thought she would be back by now to explain her R B Garr Jun 2018 #150

Regardless of her reasons, it is agaist the TOS and no one who voted for anyone other lunamagica Jun 2018 #152

That's what I thought, too. She posts on JPR too, so it was easy to spot the R B Garr Jun 2018 #153

Are they not interested in saving this country from complete annihilation? honest.abe Jun 2018 #60

Honestly, that is pretty silly Hav Jun 2018 #61

and now - this: XRubicon Jun 2018 #62

Is this a trick question? Are you taking the piss? Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #69

The vast majority of those who supported Sen. Sanders in the primaries Bettie Jun 2018 #70

"Do you want Bernie supporters to vote for Democrats in November?" NY_20th Jun 2018 #72

So Bernie voters are not Democrats and have to be persuaded Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #73

Why on earth would even think... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #74

This isn't "The Bachelor" EffieBlack Jun 2018 #75

I am really getting tired of all the Bernie supporter bashing here. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2018 #78

Tell that to the OP, who asserted the either/or proposition that BS supporters would vote 3rd Party Hekate Jun 2018 #117

I know. I don't keep track PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2018 #129

Uh, not really RandomAccess Jun 2018 #164

Alas, this is just the latest in what are nearly daily posts on the topic. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2018 #200

It's a hit and run Flamebait OP by a BS Cha Jun 2018 #189

I want everyone rownesheck Jun 2018 #79

By now if you encourage the divide, Eyeball_Kid Jun 2018 #80

I want Russian bots and useful tools called out. Next question? yardwork Jun 2018 #83

What's happening over on Independent Underground? ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #84

Ha! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #96

Do I want Green Party supporters to vote for Democrats in November? pnwmom Jun 2018 #85

How about vote to save America? MrPool Jun 2018 #86

It would be nice. I think the way they see the issue is self defeating ecstatic Jun 2018 #87

You are making an assumption Buzz cook Jun 2018 #88

I want them to vote for the candidate who MineralMan Jun 2018 #92

No, the question is.. Why wouldn't they? Cha Jun 2018 #93

Because it is suddenly hip to be contrarians. nt ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #185

And, fall on their Cha Jun 2018 #188

I don't care..why everyday a stupid Bernie post? Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #94

I supported Bernie in the primaries and when he lost l supported Hillary without hesitation. argyl Jun 2018 #97

Can I rephrase that? The Polack MSgt Jun 2018 #98

Reminds Me Of 2012 Me. Jun 2018 #104

and another election i am not allowed to mention Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #145

SHHH The Polack MSgt Jun 2018 #149

AT some point we have to assess their real goal, and it is not pretty Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #146

I find blackmail unpersuasive in general, no matter how phrased nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #100

If they're sane individuals, they already are voting for Democrats in November scheming daemons Jun 2018 #102

Look, I was an ARDENT supporter of Bernie Sanders in the primary last year. I took it hard when he Still In Wisconsin Jun 2018 #106

I have a novel idea... give them a progressive rainy Jun 2018 #108

I have a novel idea: get off their asses and be that "progressive" who runs. And THEN, if they LOSE Hekate Jun 2018 #170

a or b means a vote for Trump and a vote to sink America sharedvalues Jun 2018 #109

It boggles my mind that someone would start a discussion with a question.... George II Jun 2018 #110

They were mostly not Democrats before 2016, and they are often incredibly ignorant of Democratic Hekate Jun 2018 #111

I think that's on them radical noodle Jun 2018 #112

I want ice cream. LuvLoogie Jun 2018 #114

If "Bernie supporters" give a shit about the issues they claim to advocate.... jcgoldie Jun 2018 #115

If Bernie voters love trump over America..then they deserve what trump is beachbum bob Jun 2018 #119

Shall we just re elect trump now? dembotoz Jun 2018 #122

If they vote on the basis of political competency, and actual progressive goals, they they will vote ehrnst Jun 2018 #124

I have a feeling "you" means imaginary establishment/centrist/Third Way whatever. betsuni Jun 2018 #125

The More Important Question is do Bernie Supporters want to Vote for Democrats in November? dlk Jun 2018 #126

The #'s don't support your implication.. disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #128

I think this should be directed at PUMA's disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #127

Meh. I think we should go with the "We got this" strategy again. It worked really well last time. jalan48 Jun 2018 #130

My how far we've strayed since the days of JFK. Ask not.... and all that. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #131

I find these to be four insulting questions, but here goes DFW Jun 2018 #132

Helloooooo? OP?... SidDithers Jun 2018 #133

+1 Hekate Jun 2018 #143

Yes every one I have every personally met who is a Bernie supporter Dem_4_Life Jun 2018 #135

after a year and a half of trump, if they still have to be persuaded....😐🔫 spanone Jun 2018 #138

Tell me about it, you have to need to be convinced to vote for a sure loser or even worse to not Afromania Jun 2018 #180

This has become religious in nature. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #140

It is almost cultish...don't really understand. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #142

I don't know who you are Sophia4, but I really think that's a ridiculous question. YOHABLO Jun 2018 #154

sarandon types . stonecutter357 Jun 2018 #155

Two nieces. 1 registered Indep, 1 reg Repub. Both were HUGE BS supporters. Here's what's nuts.... lamp_shade Jun 2018 #157

Winner of the Most Passive Aggressive OP of the Day Award. VOX Jun 2018 #158

AFAIC RandomAccess Jun 2018 #167

... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #172

"Free tote bags!" NurseJackie Jun 2018 #171

"BernieBags️ totes are handcrafted by ideologically pure artisans..." VOX Jun 2018 #173

Brilliant! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #174

Ah, shucks... VOX Jun 2018 #176

Excellent! betsuni Jun 2018 #184

Thanks. Ya know, I love and appreciate what Bernie has done... VOX Jun 2018 #192

I want everyone to vote for Democrats in November. LisaM Jun 2018 #159

What is it you're trying to get? Cary Jun 2018 #161

If any self-identifed progressive has to be "persuaded" to vote for Democrats, they are not still_one Jun 2018 #168

I want everyone to vote for Democrats. Anything else is an open endorsement Takket Jun 2018 #175

Do you want many Democratic voters to vote Democratic? That is what applegrove Jun 2018 #177

Hell, YES!!!! secondwind Jun 2018 #178

nice to know there are still non republican voters out there living in that other dimension where th Afromania Jun 2018 #179

If they are not convinced. Then fuck them. GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #182

How about they figure it out themselves. Nt BootinUp Jun 2018 #183

We already do!!! LostOne4Ever Jun 2018 #187

Anyone on the left so fragile as to have not voted for Hillary over Trump is a lost cause. herding cats Jun 2018 #190

The people that spend every day trashing Bernie RandiFan1290 Jun 2018 #193

So, you post questions, and then just stand back. ehrnst Jun 2018 #195

OP could have most of you on ignore RandiFan1290 Jun 2018 #196

... betsuni Jun 2018 #197

I didn't say anyone was required to. ehrnst Jun 2018 #198

Follow Bernie's lead lsewpershad Jun 2018 #201

I really wish I had bookmarked the many... vi5 Jun 2018 #202

If they have any sense at all, they'll do just that. MineralMan Jun 2018 #203

BERNIE SANDERS VOTERS HELPED TRUMP WIN AND HERE'S PROOF Gothmog Jun 2018 #208

If defecting Bernie Sanders voters changed the outcome of the election, wouldn't Sophia4 Jun 2018 #210

You can ask your Sanders supporting friends to vote for Democrats Trumpocalypse Jun 2018 #213

Uh, How certain is your vote?? Your scenarios tend to change, R B Garr Jun 2018 #214

Is this enough persuasion for you? lunamagica Jun 2018 #215

Economist--Berned out Gothmog Jun 2018 #216

Why do posts like this get resurrected and/or copied? peggysue2 Jun 2018 #217

We have a very real chance of hastening the end of this nightmare in November. That's not enough? Bleacher Creature Jun 2018 #226

I lulz'd KG Jun 2018 #230

If Bernie's followers are too stupid to vote out the Republicans in November, then no Downtown Hound Jun 2018 #233

Given the air time Go Vols Jun 2018 #237

Are sanders supporters who voted for stein or trump happy with SCOTUS rulings? Gothmog Jun 2018 #239