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42. Biden already knows

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:57 AM

Jun 2018

The only reason he wasn’t a two term president, IMHO, was delivery.

He’s hardly a “leftist.” He’s been on the wrong side of a few issues, especially earlier in his career.

But I had the luck/privilege of hearing him speak to fundraisers in 2007, well after he had a serious chance of winning the nomination. I was not one of those fundraisers, but Democrats are cooler than Republicans and so let me sit a table. It was a table in the back, but still...

Joe Biden gave a barn burner of a speech. Outstanding. I said here on DU, when he was running for senate, that Obama was going to be out next POTUS. Reid brought Obama out here to GOTV. I was an early adopter of Obama. However, after I heard Biden speak without he pressure? It was a holy shit moment. It was like the second coming of FDR. Our caucus had already passed and I kept knocking on doors for Obama, but if Biden had been that one guy from that one night, from the beginning? Where he just said what he thought and didn’t give a fuck? Biden would have won handily.

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Sanders gets best reception at early 2020 audition [View all] Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 OP

lol stonecutter357 Jun 2018 #1

Swoon! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #68

Kinda reminds me of this, too: George II Jun 2018 #83

Huge, cheering crowds... where have I seen that before? ehrnst Jun 2018 #91

Nailed it! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #94

Some campaigns pursue a strategy of planning large rallies. ehrnst Jun 2018 #95

Actually I think the reception was because he brought a box o' joe and two dozen munchkins. George II Jun 2018 #103

So any politician drawing cheering crowds is bad? mythology Jun 2018 #148

Strawman, much? ehrnst Jun 2018 #151

Sure AtomicKitten Jun 2018 #246

No, it doesn't equate to "mocking his popularity." ehrnst Jun 2018 #255

Only if it is Sanders.... pangaia Jun 2018 #254

Gee, I wonder if you have ever posted swooning OPs about Hillary Clinton. progressoid Jun 2018 #104

Gee, I doubt it. Besides... who TF cares? NurseJackie Jun 2018 #122

No surprise there... let me save some people here the trouble... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #2

LOL Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #9

! QC Jun 2018 #13

LMFAO!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #14

LOL, here we go again and I'm with Sam dae Jun 2018 #43

Epic! Sailor65x1 Jun 2018 #183

... Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #217

Maybe they'll take you up on that. KPN Jun 2018 #19

More trouble savings... LanternWaste Jun 2018 #63

. LWolf Jun 2018 #150

Blah, Blah, Blah njhoneybadger Jun 2018 #3

Elaborate, please. Wednesdays Jun 2018 #12

I love Bernie !!! SamKnause Jun 2018 #4

Me too! Not bad for someone who's not a Democrat... Bernie never fails to deliver the goods! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #16

I do too Raine Jun 2018 #33

But but but... CentralMass Jun 2018 #5

I can hear the teeth gnashing. CentralMass Jun 2018 #6

Yeah, you always say that. You're hearing things. Cha Jun 2018 #38

If only clapping, tweeting, etc...were how elections were decided.... Tarc Jun 2018 #7

Yes, being the most popular prospective 2020 presidentilal candidate is SOOO overrated!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #17

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #22

Skip voting?... Really?... Wow! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #23

Too much of the same old stuff Tarc Jun 2018 #60

The Hill? awesomerwb1 Jun 2018 #8

"Perhaps the most vigorous applause in the room was for the outgoing congressman Luis Gutirrez..." oberliner Jun 2018 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #11

Somebody just lost their voice lol grantcart Jun 2018 #39

I love Luis Gutierrez! He is a reall warrior, who walks the walk! lunamagica Jun 2018 #85

I like Congressman Gutierrez Gothmog Jun 2018 #203

Bernie lost to Hillary despite higher enthusiasm in 2016 Schedule Jun 2018 #15

Too bad about that. KPN Jun 2018 #20

And it only appeared remotely close due to caucuses. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #25

Which is why delegates and not actual vote counts are always mentioned by Sanders ehrnst Jun 2018 #96

And the delegate numbers are warped by disenfranchising caucuses. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #97

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #98

There seem to be people who honestly think the 2016 race was close. Either that or... Garrett78 Jun 2018 #108

That river in Egypt, I suspect. ehrnst Jun 2018 #112

Hopefully the Democrats will be getting rid of caucuses and open primaries Gothmog Jun 2018 #205

Cross-over voting has the potential to influence results, but... Garrett78 Jun 2018 #231

This is a key point. Orsino Jun 2018 #65

Would you define what you mean when you say "Democratic corporatism?" (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #114

Not enough space, but here's an example. Orsino Jun 2018 #129

Is that it? Really? ehrnst Jun 2018 #130

He's supporting the dismantling of Dodd-Frank in exchange for pork. Orsino Jun 2018 #131

So, if a majority of Democratic Reps oppose it, it's wrong? ehrnst Jun 2018 #133

If Kaine's excuse is that it'll be good for Virginians... Orsino Jun 2018 #136

You avoided answering my question... ehrnst Jun 2018 #140

It's not a relevant question. Orsino Jun 2018 #155

You asked why the Dems who opposed it were "wrong." ehrnst Jun 2018 #157

Oh, we all have our purity tests. Orsino Jun 2018 #195

But there is no politician who can pass all the purity tests ehrnst Jun 2018 #256

Some are made-up, some are second-tier, some have grave import. Orsino Jun 2018 #257

No "purity test" can apply fully to humans, let alone politicians. ehrnst Jun 2018 #258

How much of that "enthusiasm" was real, how much of it was Russians? tinrobot Jun 2018 #147

That says something LWolf Jun 2018 #152

Don't care how much applause he gets. leftofcool Jun 2018 #18

Which would just re-elect trump Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #26

Yes it will and that will suck. Blue_true Jun 2018 #162

I hope others recognize the future you do and work to stop it Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #202

Write in Hillary? What happened to unity behind the duly elected Democratic presidential nominee? InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #27

I'm rooting for Kamala, but I'll vote for the Dem nominee regardless. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #30

So much for unifying Raine Jun 2018 #34

What the serious fuck? Twisty Jun 2018 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #118

My first choice LWolf Jun 2018 #153

Yes. AtomicKitten Jun 2018 #241

No write in, please don't fall for the far left's BS mistake. Blue_true Jun 2018 #161

Another article meant to stir things up. KPN Jun 2018 #21

It's all about the stir grantcart Jun 2018 #40

It's pretty apparent ... and I have to wondet KPN Jun 2018 #75

So what will the Democratic Party do if Bernie becomes that popular with Dem voters? YOHABLO Jun 2018 #24

We will all unite in rallying behind Bernie in 2020, just as we did in supporting Hillary in 2016... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #29

Yes!! And he will get the same respect and unity that MrPool Jun 2018 #35

... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #71

You use that word "unite" to describe what happened in 2016 ehrnst Jun 2018 #92

Huh? InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #101

Were you on DU then? ehrnst Jun 2018 #115

Bernie created enormous ill will at the convention. Blue_true Jun 2018 #166

Some 2,000 internal DNC emails were released the day before the convention AtomicKitten Jun 2018 #245

Thing is, it will never happen. He is not going to get away wuth not showing his full tax returns lunamagica Jun 2018 #102

+1 BannonsLiver Jun 2018 #110

I wonder how the Bernie fans will react when reality sets it. Blue_true Jun 2018 #167

Thing is... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #113

"since when is it appropriate it to hold the sins of the spouse against the candidate?!" ehrnst Jun 2018 #117

Amazing, isn't it lunamagica Jun 2018 #120

Yes! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #186

LOL Ehrnst... I think it's YOU who has had the memory lapse... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #126

If you have ZERO doubt he will disclose his tax retrurns, why hasn't he done it already? lunamagica Jun 2018 #119

Not the actions of someone with nothing questionable in those returns. ehrnst Jun 2018 #121

IKR? releasing full tax returns goes a long way to show a candidates honesty and transparency lunamagica Jun 2018 #123

Bernie has shown AMAZING transparency when it comes to what he has had to say to Wall Street bankers InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #125

Transparency? The real transparecy would have been to show his tax retuns, not his empty words lunamagica Jun 2018 #189

Of course I've replied... just not for the 10th time... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #226

Sorry I missed your other explanations...will you please enlighten me lunamagica Jun 2018 #232

As I've said, repeatedIy, I don't know 4 sure why Bernie didn't release his tax returns. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #238

Thanks for you reply. If your guess is correct, why did he say that Jane was looking for them? lunamagica Jun 2018 #242

Bernie himself seemed to have had sketchy goings ons that no release of tax returns Blue_true Jun 2018 #169

States are making this mandatory to get on the POTUS ballot. ehrnst Jun 2018 #116

If Bernie becomes a Democrat.... SergeStorms Jun 2018 #41

No question Bernie SHOULD, and WILL, join the ranks of the Democratic Party IF he runs again... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #128

Bingo. nt Blue_true Jun 2018 #170

It is too late. He isn't going to become popular with Democrats. he had a shot last time Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #66

If he wins the nomination, me and most other democrats will back him 100%. Blue_true Jun 2018 #164

Right there with you! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #188

He'll make a great Senator from Vermont...nt SidDithers Jun 2018 #28

He's a good fit for Vermont's demographics... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #77

If I was there I would be standing in ovation for sanders lovemydogs Jun 2018 #31

As would I!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #228

I'll vote for ANY Democrat, but I like how Bernie, Harris, Booker and Warren are waking the nation DemocracyMouse Jun 2018 #32

Biden already knows Nevernose Jun 2018 #42

Thanks so much for the recollection Rhiannon12866 Jun 2018 #47

OK, I actually agree he's got good energy, but his policies? DemocracyMouse Jun 2018 #99

If Biden runs in 2020 and promise to serve only one term. Blue_true Jun 2018 #171

DURec leftstreet Jun 2018 #36

I can see a Bernie/Kamala ticket! kamalafan Jun 2018 #44

Nope. She's better than that. Don't sell her so short. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #72

Agreed BannonsLiver Jun 2018 #111

I can see her and Joe on a ticket. Blue_true Jun 2018 #173

Why would he do that? NurseJackie Jun 2018 #177

To save the country. Trump needs to go, I think Joe can take him out. Blue_true Jun 2018 #180

It tells me that he lacks commitment. I just don't see this as a "winning" message. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #182

Like many things in life, it all about how it is phrased. Blue_true Jun 2018 #233

That's a weak compromise... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #235

A good VP choice would provide 12 years for his policies to take root. Blue_true Jun 2018 #181

I think Joe has too much baggage kamalafan Jun 2018 #252

It would be an unstoppable ticket IMHO kamalafan Jun 2018 #249

She had to confront him on the Senate floor about how his ehrnst Jun 2018 #174

Not sure about his "loyalists," as you call 'em, but Bernie speaks the truth... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #227

And a ticket of Bernie and Kamala would unite things kamalafan Jun 2018 #250

Senator Harris will be on the top of ticket Gothmog Jun 2018 #207

She'll have to defend her support of ICE which was part of the Patriot Act AtomicKitten Jun 2018 #247

Ah never mind kamalafan Jun 2018 #251

A walk down memory lane........ "Nader Supporters Fill Madison Square Garden still_one Jun 2018 #45

Aaargh. betsuni Jun 2018 #46

My point being that anecdotal observations are not a good criteria to judge things, still_one Jun 2018 #49

Yes, I know. betsuni Jun 2018 #50

Still with the NaderNaderNader BS. shanny Jun 2018 #52

Bullshit. The same lies and distortions were spewed how there was no difference between republicans still_one Jun 2018 #81

Thank you for making my point for me. shanny Jun 2018 #89

Nader was rove's puppet Gothmog Jun 2018 #87

'The lesser of two evils, you still end up with evil,'' bahrbearian Jun 2018 #59

Yes I am. Working and pushing ideas within the Democratic party is important. That appears to be still_one Jun 2018 #86

Realy? People clapped loudly for him? Wow. Squinch Jun 2018 #48

It was the best reception. Be Best! betsuni Jun 2018 #51

Well no. According to the guardian, Gutierrez got the Squinch Jun 2018 #62

Yes, I know. betsuni Jun 2018 #64

... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #69

I got it. brer cat Jun 2018 #100

Oh, I know. And it really does lend itself to "be best." Squinch Jun 2018 #105

Be Best never gets old mcar Jun 2018 #74

He entered the venue as an angel, borne aloft by the wings of ten thousand butterflies. VOX Jun 2018 #53

The devotees were smitten and behold a tax return descended to the masses . . . grantcart Jun 2018 #90

Bashers going bonkers RandiFan1290 Jun 2018 #54

Nothing would shock me when it comes to BDS. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #55

Come on though - the OP invites it treestar Jun 2018 #82

*** sheshe2 Jun 2018 #93

Correct me if I am wrong here. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #58

No. And we wouldn't boo him at the convention, either. Because that would just be fucking stupid. Squinch Jun 2018 #107

Interesting article. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #56

I would really like to see a younger candidate. It seems like the old guard will be running from the Vinca Jun 2018 #57

You know this party is in fucking trouble when it wants to run an 80-year-old man for president. BlueStater Jun 2018 #61

You mean Biden? Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #70

Both of them are old. BlueStater Jun 2018 #109

If Bernie and Joe agreed to serve ONLY one term. Blue_true Jun 2018 #176

"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce. " DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2018 #67

This is why.. disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #73

Well actually sheshe2 Jun 2018 #78

Good for him.. disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #79

I'm very impressed that a relatively small group of activists NY_20th Jun 2018 #76

they should save the shit for after nov. mopinko Jun 2018 #80

Were the attendees holding up numbered cards when each appeared? George II Jun 2018 #84

I think the swimsuit competition clinched it. Squinch Jun 2018 #106

Good for him but hes not a dem samnsara Jun 2018 #88

This was already addressed in post #13 Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #124

If the Democrats want to sideline Bernie -- LiberalBob_in_MA Jun 2018 #127

They have adopted universal health care for all.... ehrnst Jun 2018 #132

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Perhaps you are confused about the term "Universal Health Care" means ehrnst Jun 2018 #138

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It was a step towards it - and the furthest we have ever been towards it. ehrnst Jun 2018 #143

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The ACA is the step towards it - NO universal health care will be acheived in under 20 years. ehrnst Jun 2018 #154

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Let's unpack this: ehrnst Jun 2018 #160

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Where to start.... ehrnst Jun 2018 #187

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Let's unpack this: ehrnst Jun 2018 #191

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By "demanding a lot" you mean asking for backup for your claims? ehrnst Jun 2018 #197

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And now we go on the defensive when we can't back up our claims... ehrnst Jun 2018 #214

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And yeah, they started a long time ago, and didn't retrofit a baked-in system of insurance. ehrnst Jun 2018 #216

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Actually, it was a very long time ago, before health insurance was baked in to the economy ehrnst Jun 2018 #221

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A "hard-left progressive" has no chance of winning. What is your definition of... George II Jun 2018 #199

Don't be "so demanding!" ehrnst Jun 2018 #200

Great response. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #206

"we're working towards it! (nevermind we take money from big pharma/insurance too)" George II Jun 2018 #222

"NO universal health care will be acheived in under 20 years." - if ever. George II Jun 2018 #209

Oh, Bob. betsuni Jun 2018 #139

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Actually, it is the closest we have ever come, and it was and is intended to expand to ehrnst Jun 2018 #144

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Even Bernie can't deliver universal health care for all. ehrnst Jun 2018 #149

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So why hasn't he delivered it? ehrnst Jun 2018 #168

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Interesting - Ted Kennedy got CHIP passed and wasn't president. ehrnst Jun 2018 #178

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Let's move the goalposts, shall we? ehrnst Jun 2018 #184

First explain how Bernie Sanders becomes President... brooklynite Jun 2018 #185

Yes, there is that. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #192

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They did support it - the ACA. Congress, Senate and the WH. ehrnst Jun 2018 #194

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And they sure won't get it if politicians are dicking around ehrnst Jun 2018 #219

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What a moronic idea. The bully pulpit is working great right now, isn't it? KitSileya Jun 2018 #224

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Bob, I'm a lifelong liberal, 40-year Democrat, Hortensis Jun 2018 #234

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Yes, but I don't live in a one-issue world. My huge priority is saving Hortensis Jun 2018 #237

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Regarding the 2016 Democratic platform .. AtomicKitten Jun 2018 #248

Not happening ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #134

In a long time. nt NCTraveler Jun 2018 #135

The same sort of thing happened for President Ron Paul Renew Deal Jun 2018 #156

Voting is where it counts. Who gives a shit who a horde of elitists cheer? nt Blue_true Jun 2018 #159

Sorry it's because of bernie we have Twitler. kimbutgar Jun 2018 #163

Er...no. LWolf Jun 2018 #198

Twitler stole all of Bernie's talking points and Bernie never spoke out against him kimbutgar Jun 2018 #212

Wow. LWolf Jun 2018 #229

I supported Bernie and I am not crazy kimbutgar Jun 2018 #244

Again, just wow. LWolf Jun 2018 #259

Bernie, the Fairweather Democrat PubliusEnigma Jun 2018 #201

. LWolf Jun 2018 #208

The Democratic nominee will be a Democrat. Not an Independent. PubliusEnigma Jun 2018 #213

Okay. LWolf Jun 2018 #230

LOL, there are more people on stage than in the audience ucrdem Jun 2018 #240

When he announces top presidential contenders blake2012 Jun 2018 #211

THIS IS WAR konnie Jun 2018 #243

"Democratic hopefuls..."? SHRED Jun 2018 #253