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In reply to the discussion: Do you want Bernie supporters to vote for Democrats in November? [View all]R B Garr
(18,231 posts)Bernie's attacks hurt Hillary Clinton. Of course we have the facts. It is just absolute deflection to say we don't have facts. You seem to cling to the notion that we must have headcounts and personal addresses of individuals in order to make personal contact with them to determine if they personally were affected by the vicious attacks on our candidate. Of course that is a wild sidebar meant to mitigate the damage done.
Of course the Mueller investigation indictments show the damage done to Hillary. We see the complete dark and sinister efforts meant to undermine Hillary (Democrats) and we see how much effort was put into influencing people against her. No matter what your retro analysis tries to deflect, we know by common wisdom that prolonged primary attacks are not wise and result in damage to the top ticket. That is just common knowledge based on past experiences that prove that true.
You should read the Mueller indictments. We know by the election results who voted for whom, we have the margins to look at. We know that Hillary was targeted for harm, and she was attacked viciously. You still don't seem to grasp the depth of the assault against her. Individuals were microtargeted, especially in "purple" states with harmful propaganda against her. You don't get to gloss over these FACTS, which are now memorialized in the Mueller indictments. Just because you have a personal belief that she wasn't harmed, we know that she was -- hence the Mueller indictments -- attacks on our electorate and electoral processes. The harm has been documented. Please read the Mueller indictments. They set forth the scope of the harm done. People will be going to jail, so of course there are FACTS documented showing the attack on our 2016 election.
The Russians engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump, according to the indictment, which was issued Friday.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/
Of course the Russians liked the attacks they saw Sanders deliver on our nominee. That is why his campaign was helped as the above excerpt states. That is a fact -- Bernie's campaign was helped (and Steins's ) by the Russians to harm Hillary. Fact. Now a subject of federal investigations and indictments.