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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
19. I've known it since 1984
Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:47 PM
Jun 2018

I've mentioned it many times previously but in 1984 when I moved to Las Vegas I met dozens of white males in the sports betting scene who owned every opinion and tendency as described in the OP. They treated me fine as a fellow white male but when they described other demographics I was stunned at the bigotry and hate and fear.

Then they would turn on me once I announced my politics. But I didn't mind because there were always a few right wingers who (briefly) attempted to debate. That was fun.

The explosion of the internet allowed that type to communicate with each other and gain in confidence. I warned Chris Bowers numerous times on MyDD in the early to mid 2000s that if each side pushed toward the extremes then it could only benefit the GOP, and not by a minor amount. I couldn't believe how situationally clueless he was. Moderates and complacency were our friends. If both sides got energized in primaries toward dictating the nominee then the absolute guarantee was that right wing nutcases would get nominated time and again, and some of them ultimately elected. There was no chance we could mirror that on our end. The net is a significant shift to the right in terms of who is representing us, compared to the views of the nation as a whole.

At that point in the early 2000s I didn't anticipate the emergence of social media and how influential it would become. Nor Russia, obviously.

The only effective counter I am aware of is relentless registration drives on college campuses. Focus on a logical small net gain played out year after year. Then don't panic if the results don't fully cooperate in 2018 and 2020. I noticed that Barack Obama told our potential candidates not to react to the shiny sentences. Precisely. The problem on our side right now and in general is fixation on today. Hence the daily thread asking, "Is anyone watching Rachel?"

I always have to laugh. It is so pathetic. Today basically means nothing in the big picture. Find your best approach and methodically apply it. Don't worry about what Trump says or what Rachel says.

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That'll win them over. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2018 #1
??? Cary Jun 2018 #3
That's a major fixation for a lot of people in the Democratic Party and on the "left" Spider Jerusalem Jun 2018 #46
I never thought of it that way Cary Jun 2018 #47
Well. It would be nice to have them vote for us fescuerescue Jun 2018 #51
Go look at the cavers and creeps like them Cary Jun 2018 #55
FFS, we're not winning them over. Maven Jun 2018 #6
So whats the plan to get more votes fescuerescue Jun 2018 #53
No. Convince the ones we already have brer cat Jun 2018 #59
That's a great goal fescuerescue Jun 2018 #61
Obviously Cary Jun 2018 #84
I'm sure it would never happen... brer cat Jun 2018 #95
"Win them over?" What I would suggest doing with them ends with Atticus Jun 2018 #7
Win them over? Bettie Jun 2018 #14
And if the victim were a liberal Democrat, they would hold a parade for Trump. nt Maven Jun 2018 #24
Exactly Bettie Jun 2018 #33
Literally...a parade. Anon-C Jun 2018 #101
You get it. Cary Jun 2018 #45
I spend a lot of time reading at Bettie Jun 2018 #57
Is this serious? mcar Jun 2018 #22
They can't and won't be won over. LuckyCharms Jun 2018 #29
LOL, they can be won over? ck4829 Jun 2018 #48
Keep tilting at windmills, boss RhodeIslandOne Jun 2018 #110
You don't win over bad people. You call them out blake2012 Jun 2018 #117
You are charitable, I always figured like 75%-90% are bad people. Doreen Jun 2018 #2
My cousin is an Ivy League graduate, MBA and JD degree NoMoreRepugs Jun 2018 #4
I don't see where I said anything about reasoning with them Cary Jun 2018 #12
What do you think the consequences should be? Marengo Jun 2018 #25
I didnt say, did I? Cary Jun 2018 #39
Aha, so you want troops torching the homes of Trump voters. Got it. Would that include all... Marengo Jun 2018 #62
It's not nice to put words in people's mouths Cary Jun 2018 #64
You said Sherman's March to the Sea melman Jun 2018 #78
Never mind that you don't consider the statement as a whole or the context Cary Jun 2018 #81
Your meaning is absolutely clear, and your lame attempt to deny it is what's genuinely funny here. Marengo Jun 2018 #80
(Read slowly) You don't say? Cary Jun 2018 #93
Yep, you advocate the use of military force against civilians who voted in a manner you don't... Marengo Jun 2018 #106
(Read slowly) Is that right? Cary Jun 2018 #116
I believe I read: George II Jun 2018 #96
I didn't see that either JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #98
You seem also to have missed the reference to Sherman's March and martial law as precedent. Marengo Jun 2018 #105
No JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #108
Ah, so you also believe military violence against civilians who didn't vote in a manner you of... Marengo Jun 2018 #115
It's beyond me how you missed the reference to Sherman's March as precedent. Marengo Jun 2018 #104
Sherman and his troops did many things during his march to the sea other than "torch homes"..... George II Jun 2018 #112
And how many of those other things would be appropriate action to be taken against civilians... Marengo Jun 2018 #114
Since even the uber-intelligent ones cant be reasoned with there is no solution. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2018 #38
Alas, we have given our best effort and that doesn't happen Cary Jun 2018 #43
I hate to say it Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2018 #5
That will get us far, right, elleng Jun 2018 #8
How did he win in the first place? treestar Jun 2018 #9
Nice gaslighting Cary Jun 2018 #10
Frank Bruni can fuck right off with his appeasement claptrap. Maven Jun 2018 #11
Exactly. Cary Jun 2018 #13
The fraction of Trump voters who regret their vote won't be influenced by posts on DU. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #17
What kind of person is not bothered by racism, corruption, sexism, etc. but bothered by bad words? ck4829 Jun 2018 #50
++1 Good question! lunasun Jun 2018 #103
From a good friend of mine on Facebook - A long read. GoneOffShore Jun 2018 #73
Thanks, GoneOffShore. elleng Jun 2018 #74
I would call them "lost" for a variety of reasons NRaleighLiberal Jun 2018 #15
That a low estimate for the percentage of evil, stupid, and ignorant samir.g Jun 2018 #16
So suggest some possible consequences that you'd support onenote Jun 2018 #18
personally, I'd go with banishment anarch Jun 2018 #27
I'm sorry, I wasnt aware of that rule... Cary Jun 2018 #41
I wasn't aware I was invoking a rule. Just asking you to make sense. onenote Jun 2018 #60
I made perfect sense. Cary Jun 2018 #63
I know you think so. That's kind of sad. onenote Jun 2018 #65
So I know not to ask you. Cary Jun 2018 #66
I'd wish they'd just leave and form their own country already. BlueStater Jun 2018 #67
And which states would become part of this new country? onenote Jun 2018 #68
So do you actually disagree with ANYTHING I sad about them being bad Americans? BlueStater Jun 2018 #70
Do I think they are "bad"? Some, sure. But mostly I think they're just wrong. onenote Jun 2018 #75
A good percentage of them this country would be far better off without. BlueStater Jun 2018 #88
Well, since you know they aren't going to be "gone", why not focus on what can be done onenote Jun 2018 #90
I'd be happy to be repatriated from Florida mcar Jun 2018 #100
I've known it since 1984 Awsi Dooger Jun 2018 #19
This is an accurate encapsulation of what I noticed in the workplace from about 1980 until now. dameatball Jun 2018 #26
Flawed individuals with no souls or humanity kimbutgar Jun 2018 #20
My brother had a great childhood and is still an idiot. But, you may still be right in general..:) dameatball Jun 2018 #28
They are irredeemable mcar Jun 2018 #21
Deplorable actually. n/t seaglass Jun 2018 #23
Since some of my family voted for the idiot... cynatnite Jun 2018 #30
When you go into a voting booth your vote is private kimbutgar Jun 2018 #35
He said he got caught up and thought the drumpf was it... cynatnite Jun 2018 #36
My hubby has a friend like that who got caught up in the twitler mania kimbutgar Jun 2018 #37
No shit MountCleaners Jun 2018 #31
As long as they can keep their guns and kacekwl Jun 2018 #32
I doubt that gun owners would comply with such a request fescuerescue Jun 2018 #72
Bad people, who will have to be defeated, rather than won back. (nt) Paladin Jun 2018 #34
Burying them under solid Democratic governance until the day the die ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #40
They can have no credibility, for sure. Cary Jun 2018 #42
If the "consequences" they should suffer is our winning elections in their jurisdictions onenote Jun 2018 #69
Because the new conservative movement, ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #71
63% of trumpeters say he should be prosecuted if he shoots James Comey. Cicada Jun 2018 #44
That's a lot of ignorant greedy bullies. lpbk2713 Jun 2018 #49
I think you give them too big a margin. Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #52
We don't vote Cary Jun 2018 #54
Not sure about you Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #56
Our base doesn't turn out. Cary Jun 2018 #58
You must have missed what happened in 2006, 2008 and 2012. bearsfootball516 Jun 2018 #76
What percentage of our base votes, versus angry white men and their spouses? Cary Jun 2018 #82
Of course we do. But you're claiming our base doesn't turn out, which isn't true. bearsfootball516 Jun 2018 #86
You knew what I meant. Cary Jun 2018 #87
You said, quote: "Our base doesn't turn out. That's a fact." bearsfootball516 Jun 2018 #89
Which part of "nothing you can say..." don't you understand? Cary Jun 2018 #92
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. bearsfootball516 Jun 2018 #94
Deplorables, to not coin a phrase. CanonRay Jun 2018 #77
Trevanian predicted the Trumpanzees decades ago. DFW Jun 2018 #79
Always has been, you just didn't noticed beachbum bob Jun 2018 #83
Yes but not exactly Cary Jun 2018 #85
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2018 #91
"30% to 40% of our electorate are bad people" should be... Yavin4 Jun 2018 #97
Win JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #99
Half the eligible voters don't vote. Your numbers are off n/t leftstreet Jun 2018 #102
I think a large number of these folks are Fascists and don't know it. jalan48 Jun 2018 #107
Yep JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #111
Hate fueled by the right wing media. I listened to about 5 minutes of a right wing talk show jalan48 Jun 2018 #113
I said that ages ago. RhodeIslandOne Jun 2018 #109
80 - 90% of our polling outfits are bad. Shitler doesn't have his 10%. Mc Mike Jun 2018 #118
My observation was casual. Cary Jun 2018 #119
Self defense is intelligent and necessary. Mc Mike Jun 2018 #120
Regardless they have caused immense damage Cary Jun 2018 #121
Agreed, they're like termites eating a stradivarius. Mc Mike Jun 2018 #122
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