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108. Here is an anti-Bernie article on this issue.

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:37 PM

Jun 2018

Black Vermonters make up just 1.2% of the state's general population, but 10.7% of its incarcerated population. This means that, proportionally, there are nearly 10 times more black people locked up in Vermont's jails and prisons on a given day than there are walking its streets.

https://mic.com/articles/124341/here-s-how-black-people-actually-fare-in-vermont-with-bernie-sanders-as-their-senator#.gGLBeOHxn

A large percentage of African-Americans who live in Vermont are incarcerated.

But because so few African-Americans live in Vermont, it does not affect very many people.

In other words, the percentage of African-Americans in Vermont is very high among that population, but so few African-Americans live in Vermont, that this troubling statistic does not affect very many individuals.

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Bernie admits need to get schooled on African-American incarceration* [View all] EffieBlack Jun 2018 OP

Where Has He Been? Me. Jun 2018 #1

It's official. I'm smarter than Bernie Sanders! Even *I* knew that!! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #12

As It Is Vermont Me. Jun 2018 #14

Bazinga! George II Jun 2018 #148

Out chasing oligarchs. He is good at that. nt Blue_true Jun 2018 #52

Article written by Shaun King no less MrPool Jun 2018 #2

He is a Bernie supporter. brer cat Jun 2018 #46

Yep. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #116

And he writes how "suprised" he is by the "genuineness" that he sees. ehrnst Jun 2018 #216

My response the same, "Oh, for god's sake!" Hortensis Jun 2018 #103

The only reason a senator and 30 year pol - especially one supposedly so excellent on civil rights EffieBlack Jun 2018 #107

An inescapable conclusion. Hortensis Jun 2018 #122

He also doesn't seem to know that it is state election law, lapucelle Jun 2018 #226

Catchphrase rhetoric. Simple messages designed Hortensis Jun 2018 #229

"alt-left"...? disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #161

Yeah it's a real thing MrPool Jun 2018 #200

Well, yes, they often partner with RT, the propaganda arm of Putin ehrnst Jun 2018 #217

Racism is background noise.... SallyHemmings Jun 2018 #3

You can make your point without sexism Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #8

Aw. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #13

I might offer you a hankie... Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #15

Oh, brother! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #17

I love it when people unintentionally prove the point kcr Jun 2018 #22

I also love it when, NurseJackie Jun 2018 #26

So true kcr... they embarrassingly lack the ability to see themselves. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #60

Ha! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #94

Lol sheshe2 Jun 2018 #134

Every Bernie Bro stereotype... kcr Jun 2018 #164

So true... and so predictable!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #170

Or is it benevolent sexism Fullduplexxx Jun 2018 #34

So... you think there is a thing called reverse sexism, LOL? bettyellen Jun 2018 #27

Good point. Stupid political correctness has no place in real life Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #157

Sorry Tom but Hillary dominated women, except the young ones. Caliman73 Jun 2018 #92

A lot of women supported trump in 2016. George II Jun 2018 #149

K&R ! stonecutter357 Jun 2018 #4

K&R Scurrilous Jun 2018 #5

... Lucinda Jun 2018 #6

I read through that twitter feed. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #7

We wasted all that time in 2015-16 on a divisive campaign on such an uniformed candidate... brush Jun 2018 #58

Media gave him a pass and he was never vetted. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #68

Very sad. We had to fight all that divisiveness, plus Putin's bots, repug vote suppression/hacking.. brush Jun 2018 #74

It is sad, brush. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #81

Bernie has some blind spots--some areas where he is unquestionably going to a well that is outdated JCanete Jun 2018 #100

What? sheshe2 Jun 2018 #137

you can absolutely be generous and charitable of spirit JCanete Jun 2018 #147

Oh brother sheshe2 Jun 2018 #203

what a helpful folllow up...so glad you chimed back in. I certainly learned something. Why bother? JCanete Jun 2018 #204

You're trying WAY too hard. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #174

Excellent Reality Based Tweets from WomanTalkingToDeath Cha Jun 2018 #126

Hey, Cha. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #132

bernie didnt really say that, it,s from the onion, right? oh wait... nt msongs Jun 2018 #9

Nope. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #112

Remember when Hillary Clinton *started* her campaign with jail reform? joshcryer Jun 2018 #10

I remember when she told us the biggest worry for small town people was the opioid epidemic... Hekate Jun 2018 #16

Hillary would've been one of the greatest President's we've ever had. joshcryer Jun 2018 #18

You are 1,000% too right! 👍 sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #42

Yep, a lot of time was wasted fighting against a woefully uninformed opponent in a divisive campaign brush Jun 2018 #63

I am just going to hug you here. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #138

A-w-w-w, you're embarrassing me. Thank you. brush Jun 2018 #183

all of it really has to do with power and money though. All the rest of it happens/ happened JCanete Jun 2018 #104

Wait a minute, I was told by the berners that he was the most all american girl Jun 2018 #11

This site seems bogus. Can anyone here confirm its legitimacy? The Wielding Truth Jun 2018 #25

It is bogus and a phony puff piece. The data Hortensis Jun 2018 #118

The author is a Bernie supporter. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #119

The Intercept was started a few years ago by Glenn Greenwald Bradical79 Jun 2018 #221

"I had no idea....."?? It's his JOB to have an idea and know this stuff.... George II Jun 2018 #19

What am I missing? The article says he's evolved. kamalafan Jun 2018 #20

I guess he evolved since the campaign because just 18 months ago he thought AAs... brush Jun 2018 #65

I think that is stretching the truth just a wee bit there kamalafan Jun 2018 #91

Right. He thought most drug dealers in jail were African American. I stand corrected. brush Jun 2018 #97

There is this kamalafan Jun 2018 #101

Ok .. for the sake of argument, assume Mic's numbers that Soledad quoted are wrong and let's EffieBlack Jun 2018 #109

I get what he's saying kamalafan Jun 2018 #117

He's a progressive who wants to be president. He should be much better informed than that. brush Jun 2018 #125

He's not "95% of Americans." He's a senator who was running for president and claiming to be EffieBlack Jun 2018 #127

Some of us who are AA (like myself) also understand kamalafan Jun 2018 #144

When Bernie is addressing an AA audience, he seems to portray a ehrnst Jun 2018 #155

Nothing wrong with admitting your faults. That's a good thing. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #175

Interesting point kamalafan Jun 2018 #191

It's relevant and not ageist EffieBlack Jun 2018 #194

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #151

Yes. The new/old debtors prison. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #131

Most people are completely unaware of the laws surrounding all this kamalafan Jun 2018 #145

Bernie's not "most people." He's a U.S. Senator. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #176

And I'd wager most senators are unaware as well kamalafan Jun 2018 #190

So what? Bernie's not "most senators." EffieBlack Jun 2018 #195

Ok. kamalafan Jun 2018 #196

Well... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #67

Ok I have issue with this TBH kamalafan Jun 2018 #96

Well that is what has been said. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #105

According to many Sanders supporters mcar Jun 2018 #113

Thank you, mcar,. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #140

Yeah, it's pretzel strategy.. doesn't work. Cha Jun 2018 #143

Yes, when Bernie moves to the left - it's "evolving." When it's anyone else, it's "pivoting" ehrnst Jun 2018 #156

Hypocrisy from the agitprop peddlers at the intercept Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #205

I don't understand Soledad's tweet #s. spooky3 Jun 2018 #21

Keep mining for those negative Bernie angles Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #23

Why is that any less ignorant? Seriously, he went to Ferguson and had no idea what was written in bettyellen Jun 2018 #28

Grasping at straws Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #29

Nope, following the news and deeply disappointed is more accurate. But hey, you don't care... bettyellen Jun 2018 #30

What news? Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #31

You're wasting your time. chwaliszewski Jun 2018 #36

A direct quote from Bernie reported by one of his most fervent supporters is "Bernie hate?" EffieBlack Jun 2018 #73

Taken out of context... tkmorris Jun 2018 #75

Oh, please ... EffieBlack Jun 2018 #78

I guess if he didn't spend so much time hating on the Democratic party people might start MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #166

Perhaps, he's pointing out some flaws with the party. chwaliszewski Jun 2018 #167

Yeah, I guess calling the party an absolute failure is just pointing out some flaws..... MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #171

I followed the news about Ferguson, Other towns with similar problems, and also the bettyellen Jun 2018 #83

"our cause to elect Democrats" musette_sf Jun 2018 #135

Yep.We all want the same thing. Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #136

My cause is to elect Democrats musette_sf Jun 2018 #214

oh bullshit Kurt V. Jun 2018 #24

Black people should vote for Bernie ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #32

That reminds me of trump's line "what do you have to lose?" George II Jun 2018 #150

Time for another SOUL FOOD lunch with Killer Mike...nt SidDithers Jun 2018 #33

Oopfh! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #98

Maybe he has a bottle of hot sauce in his pocket Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #111

... SidDithers Jun 2018 #139

Makes one wonder: George II Jun 2018 #141

Awesome movie Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #213

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #199

Goblin it down, eh? ehrnst Jun 2018 #153

Only if he's a monger. George II Jun 2018 #184

... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #193

1992. betsuni Jun 2018 #154

What in gob's name are you talking about? Cha Jun 2018 #201

... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #202

Hmmmmmm ...... LiberalBob_in_MA Jun 2018 #35

The Intercept all but worships Sanders. ehrnst Jun 2018 #38

Isn't that Glenn Greenwald's site? George II Jun 2018 #142

Yes. And works with closely with RT ehrnst Jun 2018 #152

Clarification Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #40

That's what I think as well LiberalBob_in_MA Jun 2018 #49

Please point out where it is being taken out of context. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #76

Out of context and a convenient ommission Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #82

She didn't take Bernie's comment out of context at all EffieBlack Jun 2018 #129

A Democrat/progressive candidate should be aware of that. Also that AAs are not drug dealers. brush Jun 2018 #69

You've got a point Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #77

Cute. But Clinton was actually referring to crack dealers as super predators, not AA youth. brush Jun 2018 #80

Just a passive-aggressive response to a passive-aggressive reply Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #84

You're not fooling anyone. brush Jun 2018 #87

Neither are you Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #88

brush isn't trying to "fool anyone". Cha Jun 2018 #89

Not trying to. I write what I mean without sly innuendo. brush Jun 2018 #93

OK Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #95

Overt untrue whatAboutIsm noted uponit7771 Jun 2018 #115

Shouldn't a senator be aware lapucelle Jun 2018 #231

One would think ... EffieBlack Jun 2018 #238

+1 leftstreet Jun 2018 #79

Are you kidding! The Intercept has always Cha Jun 2018 #43

Kick and Reced! ehrnst Jun 2018 #37

I would have expected more from Soledad O'Brian karynnj Jun 2018 #39

At least she has deleted the tweet mythology Jun 2018 #173

Good on Soledad O'Brien! Cha Jun 2018 #41

C'mon DU we are better than this Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #48

Your trying to cover up news isn't working. Cha Jun 2018 #50

Really? Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #54

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #62

Vermont is the whitest state in the US. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #44

Bernie is so yesterday aeromanKC Jun 2018 #45

Yes. Pass the torch already! Hillary did quite sometime ago..so can you bernie Wwcd Jun 2018 #55

Yes!! aeromanKC Jun 2018 #61

Here's the link to the story behind the pic: Wwcd Jun 2018 #72

Very Good aeromanKC Jun 2018 #120

Yup. It is encouraging to watch what women can do when someone steps on our basic right as a person Wwcd Jun 2018 #124

To whom has Hillary passed the torch? Please enlighten us. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #64

Months ago when she said she wasn't running again. Consider yourself enlightened. brush Jun 2018 #70

No one seriously believes Hillary has closed the door on another run in 2020... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #85

Oh please. Hillary has moved on and Sanders should too. We have a deep bench of young... brush Jun 2018 #90

Oh please, how I wish you were right... but then why would Hillary say... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #128

A few months ago? Really? She's indicated much more recently that she's run her last campaign. brush Jun 2018 #130

To be fair, Hillary could be the Incumbent in 2020 aeromanKC Jun 2018 #114

Soledad is actually not stating her statistic correctly dsc Jun 2018 #47

Even that is not quite accurate - as some of the African Americans (and whites ) in prison are from karynnj Jun 2018 #56

honestly that is likely not all that big a deal dsc Jun 2018 #66

I find it hard to believe he did not know that. drray23 Jun 2018 #51

K&R brer cat Jun 2018 #53

how could he not know that barbtries Jun 2018 #57

If I am reading this correctly, only 1.52% of people in Vermont are African-American. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #59

You're looking at the wrong stats... cynatnite Jun 2018 #99

Per Info please, there are only 3,063 African-Americans in Vermont. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #106

It's not the number imprisoned, but the ratio of African Americans to whites... cynatnite Jun 2018 #121

True, but see my post 186. It is probably a state problem. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #187

There is so much wrong with this...OK to discriminate in a small state with a low Black Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #159

I agree with you that it is terribly wrong. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #186

It has to be fixed across the board. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #206

Yes. I know. It is absolutely unacceptable. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #207

I agree completely. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #210

Here is an anti-Bernie article on this issue. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #108

It's proof that racial injustice exists in Vermont and Bernie doesn't know that. cynatnite Jun 2018 #123

The number of African-Americans in Vermont remains small compared to other states. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #236

But Vermont does not have anywhere near 100,000 African-Americans. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #237

About 1.5% of Vermont's residents are African Amer, but represent almost 11X whites incarcerated: George II Jun 2018 #228

The problem is that if the incarceration for African Americans in Vermont is Sophia4 Jun 2018 #232

The "per 100,000" is a rate, the number is used to normalize the data... George II Jun 2018 #233

What is your source for a population of 8,000 for African-Americans in Vermont? Sophia4 Jun 2018 #234

United States Census.... George II Jun 2018 #235

I would still be worried, but that number would not get the press that the California Sophia4 Jun 2018 #240

I don't think you can say someone was schooled if they are not in the conversation. aikoaiko Jun 2018 #71

White Male Privilege... dlk Jun 2018 #86

If he had no idea, he hasn't been representing his state very well... cynatnite Jun 2018 #102

Wow mcar Jun 2018 #110

What fun. Suddenly, evolving on the issues is fine and The Intercept is suspicious. betsuni Jun 2018 #133

Don't forget, "You can't school someone who isn't part of the conversation!" kcr Jun 2018 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author redgreenandblue Jun 2018 #146

It's not surprising that someone GaryCnf Jun 2018 #158

We know, we know... lol disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #160

Tweet gone, Soledad wrong oberliner Jun 2018 #163

From Here, Or From Here? ProfessorGAC Jun 2018 #168

Soledad misquoted @mic. She DIDN'T misquote Sanders or take him out of context EffieBlack Jun 2018 #179

Thanks for highlighting Sanders' own words. In ANY R B Garr Jun 2018 #188

Thank goodness we're above all that... LanternWaste Jun 2018 #192

Now that the tweet is gone because it was wrong will you self delete the thread? nt Quixote1818 Jun 2018 #165

Delete the thread. Purple Mountain Maje Jun 2018 #169

Not "debunked" at all. She quoted Sanders correctly. That's the basis of discussion here. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #181

Not in context. Purple Mountain Maje Jun 2018 #185

She quoted him verbatim - there was not "context" problem with his quote EffieBlack Jun 2018 #189

K&R Gothmog Jun 2018 #172

Much ado about nothing. jalan48 Jun 2018 #177

In his 25+ years in D.C, Bernie has never, not once, KitSileya Jun 2018 #178

So, if I wanted to find a list of his major legislative accomplishments, where would I look? NurseJackie Jun 2018 #180

That moment when the Intercept writes a fluff piece Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #182

page does not exist when I clicked on the link niyad Jun 2018 #197

Sorry, that page doesn't exist! populistdriven Jun 2018 #198

Interesting? No. GaryCnf Jun 2018 #208

You can pontificate all you want EffieBlack Jun 2018 #209

And nothing you have said GaryCnf Jun 2018 #211

And nothing YOU'VE said obscures the fact that Bernie hasn't clue one what to do about any of this EffieBlack Jun 2018 #212

I can't disagree with that GaryCnf Jun 2018 #222

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Jun 2018 #223

I noticed that "super predators" was thrown in there, without full context! Revealing? Perhaps. George II Jun 2018 #225

I believe there was ample context GaryCnf Jun 2018 #241

Clearly Hillary pulled him to the left on this. ehrnst Jun 2018 #215

You rock! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #219

Evolving? Say it ain't so! George II Jun 2018 #224

Excellent edits, Effie. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #218

I love you, too Jackie! EffieBlack Jun 2018 #220

sweet Effie, saidsimplesimon Jun 2018 #227

Quoting something Bernie said in the last month doesn't "divide" Democrats EffieBlack Jun 2018 #230

sweet Simple, ehrnst Jun 2018 #239