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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
70. You are totally misstating my view.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 12:40 AM
Jun 2018

Read what I wrote in #23. (If you can't bear to read the whole thing, here's a tip: third paragraph.)

I am expressly not joining the horrified shrieking about any primary of an incumbent. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of those who have shrieked about it in the past, on the basis that we're in a crisis and unity is paramount and no one should challenge any incumbent Democrat, but who then make an exception when the incumbent Democrat is one they don't like.

For my part, when I look at primary races, I support some incumbents and some challengers, depending on the merits of the race as I see them. The difference is that I don't try to cloak my personal preferences as being based on some general pro-incumbent principle, only to abandon that supposed general principle when it's expedient to do so.

To elaborate further, here are some examples of the point of view to which I refer. These are quotations from a thread right here on DU about progressives challenging incumbents in Democratic primaries:

“I'm all for running against GOPers. Not for bashing/wounding good Democrats in a critical election.”

“questioning the [strategy] of people to challenge incumbents in a primary.”

“in a year when we have nothing these folks waste money and time going after sitting Democrats instead of trying to unseat Republicans.” And “Democrats have no power in Washington...timing is everything. We need to spend our resources fighting Trump by flipping Republicans seats...not challenging Democratic incumbents.”

“why aren't they going after red seats instead? Why do these new progressives insist on building their
skyscraper from the penthouse downward?”

“I'm suspect of the motives of anyone that appears to be undermining good solid Dems.”

“Shouldn't the emphasis be on running against republican incumbents first? Remember, Democrats in office won their elections, and where republicans are in office the Democrat lost. THOSE are the seats we should be targetting.”

“Bad strategy We've already got the NYT flogging the 'Dems in disarray!!11' meme on the front page today. Why don't these progressives run against Republicans. They are the enemy.”

“this kind of internal squabbling needs to be saved for going against the GOP. We need unity here.”


I'm not going to give links or name names. I'm simply pointing out that this consideration, which is superficially neutral among all incumbents, gets dropped in the specific case of Tulsi Gabbard.

And, just in case I haven't made it clear yet, I disagree with the philosophy exemplified by the quotations in that excerpt box.

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link to progressive dem Sherry Campagna website... msongs Jun 2018 #1
Her campaign site is pretty good as well. rogue emissary Jun 2018 #40
Thanks. nt Blue_true Jun 2018 #41
The voters in her district will ultimately decide, but I'm pulling for her challenger. If Gabbard.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2018 #2
I may contribute to Alu. RandySF Jun 2018 #3
Yeah, we'll decide.. I was ecstatic to read Cha Jun 2018 #5
That makes two of us dear Cha. I realize that incumbency works to Gabbard's advantage, but I hope.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2018 #6
This Reality Check "Harsh Criticism" from the Hawaii Cha Jun 2018 #7
I detest her almost as much as Trump. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2018 #8
Then you've been paying attention! Cha Jun 2018 #9
She reminds me of someone. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2018 #10
Yeah, I know Cha Jun 2018 #11
.. George II Jun 2018 #20
Hi George! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2018 #29
I could see her going independent as well. ehrnst Jun 2018 #14
Tulsi has met the single qualification needed for the Our Revolution endorsement... comradebillyboy Jun 2018 #27
True this. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #28
She has also met the single qualification needed for being bashed on DU. (n/t) Jim Lane Jun 2018 #72
What, sucking up to Assad? comradebillyboy Jun 2018 #73
Nope. Guess again. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #74
Not just Assad RandySF Jun 2018 #79
I can see that too. She's already a DINO anyway. brush Jun 2018 #54
Which is why I hope she's taken out before that happens. If she gets another term, I think she'll.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2018 #55
WOW!Sherry Alu Campagna! I thought it was going to be .. Cha Jun 2018 #4
Great pic w/ HSTA Union sisters and brothers. oasis Jun 2018 #31
I'm so happy about this news, oasis! Cha Jun 2018 #42
K&R ehrnst Jun 2018 #12
Mahalo, ehrnst! Cha Jun 2018 #15
K&R brer cat Jun 2018 #13
Mahalo, brer! Cha Jun 2018 #19
K&R sheshe2 Jun 2018 #16
Mahalo, she! Here's a great pic of Sherry by the Sea.. Cha Jun 2018 #21
Beautiful. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #22
K&R mcar Jun 2018 #17
Tulsi Gabbard, IMHO,... MarianJack Jun 2018 #18
She is definitely not someone I want Cha Jun 2018 #48
Mahalo back at'cha, Cha. MarianJack Jun 2018 #56
Uh-oh, RandySF, you're in for it now. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #23
What nonsense... SidDithers Jun 2018 #24
Well you have to give points for consistency. grantcart Jun 2018 #34
I would note that HI-02 is a deep blue district RandySF Jun 2018 #25
... Me. Jun 2018 #26
That's some interesting reading. I never knew any of that. Thanks for sharing. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2018 #30
Gabbard hooked up w/Russian lobbyist? oasis Jun 2018 #33
Quite Me. Jun 2018 #35
Gabbard's cozy w/Syrian dictator AND Russian agent. What next? oasis Jun 2018 #37
Next, Oasis? sheshe2 Jun 2018 #45
Unsettling, most unsettling. nt oasis Jun 2018 #60
Yep. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #61
I believe we will have adequate termite control. oasis Jun 2018 #62
Lol! sheshe2 Jun 2018 #67
"Tulsi Gabbard Hires Russian Agent to Keep Hawaii Media in Check" Cha Jun 2018 #50
Wow. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #71
Thanks for listing all those points against Gabbard Cha Jun 2018 #39
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Jun 2018 #46
You know damn well it depends on who the incumbant is.. Cha Jun 2018 #38
My point exactly. (n/t) Jim Lane Jun 2018 #57
Yeah, right. At least the Hawaii Teacher's Union is on Cha Jun 2018 #59
Absolute bullshit. Blue_true Jun 2018 #44
You say you support her so you agree with her here? sheshe2 Jun 2018 #47
"I support her" doesn't equal "I agree with her 100%." Jim Lane Jun 2018 #58
You had the complete opposite opinion in the NY_20th Jun 2018 #64
You are totally misstating my view. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #70
Bwahahaha sheshe2 Jun 2018 #66
It's interesting that you consider Sherry Campagna NY_20th Jun 2018 #63
I'm consistent because Cuomo is a weasel and Gabbard isn't. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #68
It's clear that you are exhibiting behavior that you are accusing others of. NY_20th Jun 2018 #69
The Our Revolution endorsement is not very valuable Gothmog Jun 2018 #77
"..I hope this ill-advised challenger is treated with perfect fairness, that the DCCC... George II Jun 2018 #78
The hypocrisy is.. disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #85
GREAT news!!! leftynyc Jun 2018 #32
Tulsi's embrace of Syrian butcher, Assad, is enough to disqualify. oasis Jun 2018 #36
I had high hopes for Tulsi, but she has flirted with the right way too much. Blue_true Jun 2018 #43
So did I.. at the very first.. being my Rep. And, then Cha Jun 2018 #51
I hope the Sherry defeat her. Sherry seems to be a true progressive. Blue_true Jun 2018 #52
Sherry does seem like a True Progressive who Cares Cha Jun 2018 #53
She is your rep? Gothmog Jun 2018 #80
Yes, that's why I'm all over Cha Jun 2018 #81
Your posts on this thread are great Gothmog Jun 2018 #82
Mahalo, Goth Cha Jun 2018 #83
K&R for visibility. lunamagica Jun 2018 #49
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2018 #65
K&R to infinity ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #75
K and R for Democratic Party loyalty. oasis Jun 2018 #76
Good news, hope Campagna wins. nt Mosby Jun 2018 #84
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