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Louis1895

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27. Double jeopardy question

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 05:42 PM

Jun 2018

I understand that there is a question of double jeopardy laws in NY. Basically, my understanding is that NY cannot charge Manafort with the same crime in state court that he is charged in federal court. How does that work if he is charged but pardoned before trial? It seems to me that the state court could still charge since he never got to the point of being convicted in federal court.

I hope my question makes sense. All of these guys (and a few gals, too) need to be in prison for a long time.

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Trump will pardon Manafort by Monday [View all] RandySF Jun 2018 OP

That would be a bigly misstep. Very bigly. Very very bigly. struggle4progress Jun 2018 #1

You are correct and for that reason it won't happen. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2018 #6

McGahn will not let it happen PJMcK Jun 2018 #13

Wray and Rosenstein would likely resign too. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2018 #15

Didn't he recuse malaise Jun 2018 #21

Why I hope he does it... that is, if it leads to The Dotard's impeachment, well worth doing. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #26

Then he can't use 5th Amendment to not talk Sanity Claws Jun 2018 #2

this..... Sancho Jun 2018 #24

Baloney jberryhill Jun 2018 #28

Can be detained under the Material Witness Sanity Claws Jun 2018 #36

Not having a passport is not a problem jberryhill Jun 2018 #37

That might help Manafort Sanity Claws Jun 2018 #40

I don't think a tRump pardon will help him much with the Russian oligarchs shanny Jun 2018 #39

He is distancing himself from him today, BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #3

That would certainly start a firestorm. dem4decades Jun 2018 #4

Doesn't he have to be convicted of something first? oberliner Jun 2018 #5

Nixon wasn't (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Jun 2018 #7

Ford pardoned Nixon RandySF Jun 2018 #8

Nixon bornfree17 Jun 2018 #9

Nope DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2018 #10

Thanks to you and all the others who responded oberliner Jun 2018 #12

Then here comes Mueller with state charges? imanamerican63 Jun 2018 #11

He could hand evidence over to AG Barbara Underwood or to other pnwmom Jun 2018 #14

Exactly! imanamerican63 Jun 2018 #16

Mueller committed crimes??!! ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #17

LOL. Fixed. n/t pnwmom Jun 2018 #18

Someone will likely correct me on this, but I envision Underwood ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #19

Oh yeah? And she's going to have him cuffed and brought back from Russia? jberryhill Jun 2018 #29

You don't think she already has the evidence and an indictment ready to go, pnwmom Jun 2018 #32

Mueller doesn't do state charges; shanny Jun 2018 #41

Trump will wait until after Manafort testifies to decide whether to pardon him or have him LiberalArkie Jun 2018 #20

I hope he does...gives Gop cover to turn on trump... beachbum bob Jun 2018 #22

Trump and Manafort will both be bigly screwed if he does that Hekate Jun 2018 #23

Then Manafort will be called before grand jury to testify on Tuesday Gothmog Jun 2018 #25

Double jeopardy question Louis1895 Jun 2018 #27

The NY statute only applies if the case goes to jury Gothmog Jun 2018 #31

All of the questions you raise have never been litigated on point in court. grantcart Jun 2018 #33

On Tuesday, he'll be out of the US entirely on a one-way ticket jberryhill Jun 2018 #30

Wouldn't Manafort have material witness warrant on him before he exits jail? grantcart Jun 2018 #34

They can't hold him on that forever jberryhill Jun 2018 #35

The US currently is holding people indefinitely under MW, but all they need is to grantcart Jun 2018 #38