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nadinbrzezinski

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53. Ah the old question, nurture vs nature?

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 01:00 AM

Aug 2012

I really have no idea. I know some folks shock me... like a camp survivor, who really thought blacks were inferior... it was... kind of jarring. I mean, after being in a concentration camp and living through that horror it made little to no sense.

So perhaps there is some to nature. After all, we are animals (I know heads are exploding), and we need to look at the group for protection and might see those outside the group, the herd, as a threat to food and water. We also know chimps go to war, as in real full on war...

For the record, I would hope it is not in the genes, because then it could be overcome.

Sorry for a non white and black answer.

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DU Poll: Is there a commonality between homophobia and racism [View all] RKP5637 Aug 2012 OP

Ignorance + fear. elleng Aug 2012 #1

ignorance + fear + those that would attempt to capitalize on both Raster Aug 2012 #33

Yep. An awful combination. GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #69

Yes, it's always US vs. Them, elleng Aug 2012 #70

The leaders who tell them to hate people of color also tell them to hate people of gay. valerief Aug 2012 #2

Yep, they have hatred pounded into their psyche over and over and over. And then RKP5637 Aug 2012 #9

yep. Haters gonna hate. nt bunnies Aug 2012 #3

I often think that, that some are born, bred and conditioned to hate and RKP5637 Aug 2012 #7

it must be a miserable life for those people... bunnies Aug 2012 #12

A narrow mind leaves no space for new ideas Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #4

A minor distinction jberryhill Aug 2012 #5

Good point! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #6

It all goes back to the White Christian's claims of persecution. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #8

And that panic seems to be increasing and increasing, especially since RKP5637 Aug 2012 #10

I wonder how many black people are in management at Chick-fil-A. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #15

Interesting question!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #22

I'm sure of it. nt Chorophyll Aug 2012 #11

Otherism IDemo Aug 2012 #13

Agreed. yewberry Aug 2012 #25

Excellent word to describe it ... "Otherism." n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #44

Also often misogynist. Starry Messenger Aug 2012 #14

Was just going to say this! FreeState Aug 2012 #16

Sure. Because we all know that women can't be racist or homophobic. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #18

They sure can! Starry Messenger Aug 2012 #20

Women can be misogynist as well as racist and homophobic LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #21

religion is myth and superstition repackaged for mass consumption. Raster Aug 2012 #34

And for a huge tax free profit! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #39

Yes, I certainly think so! I think there's a lot of crossover in all of this hatred. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #23

+1 Zorra Aug 2012 #49

Somewhat. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #17

Yep, I think that's a root cause of a lot of it, I'm not gay, see how I RKP5637 Aug 2012 #24

Insularity LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #19

Yep, definitely misogyny too. I'm learning that more and more, the RKP5637 Aug 2012 #26

I've seen all combinations of homophobia, racism, sexism Fresh_Start Aug 2012 #27

Yep, he was, wasn't he. I don't think Michelle was too keen on it either initially. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #28

Homophobia in the black community Freddie Aug 2012 #59

Those that say NO Aerows Aug 2012 #29

The Authoritarians tf.gray Aug 2012 #30

thanks for the link Fresh_Start Aug 2012 #38

Thanks for the link!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #40

All hate comes from the same place in a person. Just like all love. patrice Aug 2012 #31

Yes. As with misogyny, xenophobia, ageism and anthropomorphism. David Zephyr Aug 2012 #32

Er... Aerows Aug 2012 #35

Good point. "Us" vs. "Them" based on how or where "they" were born. n/t pampango Aug 2012 #60

I think there is a lot of overlap. Kalidurga Aug 2012 #36

Yes, good point in your last sentence about a larger amygdalas. I think some RKP5637 Aug 2012 #41

"Maybe" Scootaloo Aug 2012 #37

Your first paragraph sure hit the nail on the head to me with respect to RKP5637 Aug 2012 #42

Of course. It's the ignorance and fear thing. Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #43

My theory is that those who can't get laid take it out on those who can. Initech Aug 2012 #45

Yep! Well said! I bet a lot of that goes on. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #47

I also think that the people who are the most vocal are the ones who scored lowest on the TMI index. Initech Aug 2012 #56

Yep, that's the 'short' of it all !!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #61

Maybe but unfortunately, those that showed up for mmonk Aug 2012 #46

I always find that so disturbing when one minority group does not RKP5637 Aug 2012 #48

The power of the pulpit. mmonk Aug 2012 #67

This one is not even close nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #50

Do you think some are simply born predestined to hate. More and more I RKP5637 Aug 2012 #52

Ah the old question, nurture vs nature? nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #53

They're both types of classism begin_within Aug 2012 #51

You forgot mzteris Aug 2012 #54

Yep, I definitely did forget Misogyny. One dominant group to me is RKP5637 Aug 2012 #55

got it in one. mzteris Aug 2012 #64

Yep, that added hits the nail right square on the head!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #66

Yes. A few have id'ed the problems, fear, ignorance and 'otherness.' Behind the Aegis Aug 2012 #57

Ugh! Just yesterday... Quantess Aug 2012 #58

Thanks for your update. My feeling is (very generalized) that when one RKP5637 Aug 2012 #62

The odd part is, I am not even in the US. Quantess Aug 2012 #63

It's probably somewhat similar to all of the racist comments in the US. I thought RKP5637 Aug 2012 #65

I think hate in people generally shows up in a number of ways gollygee Aug 2012 #68

The Marxist-Leninist perspective: 'race' and 'sexual orientation' are coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #71

Yep, divide and conquer. Find all of the wedge issues and pound and pound on them. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #72