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Ms. Toad

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37. I've been working on immigration since the 80s

Tue Jun 19, 2018, 10:05 AM

Jun 2018

I already understand that.

My point is that the person responding was attributing motives to the administration that was responsible for taking those specific rosaries away, without realizing they were condemning Obama.

l am well aware that our immigration policies have been atrocious for years - BUT - we need to use facts carefully so that the label "fake news" can't be legitimately applied to our side. To do that, the photo needs to be clearly identified as from Obama's term (or as predating Trump), and then document that the practice continues.

The right has alrady caught on to the use of this image, and are using it to bolster their meme that liberals are the purveyors of fake news: https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/06/13/guys-theyre-doing-it-again-photo-of-rosaries-collected-at-the-border-during-the-obama-years-goes-viral-because-of-trump/

We shouldn't use photos of atrocities that pre-date Trump to condemn him, without being clear that they are illustrative but not literal.

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Remember the piles of wedding rings taken from holocaust victims [View all] bigtree Jun 2018 OP

That is like a work of art. kentuck Jun 2018 #1

very sad images bigtree Jun 2018 #7

Why did they take their religious objects and icons? lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #16

Probably to rob them of any hope PatSeg Jun 2018 #17

Do you really think Obama and his administration would act from that motive? Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #20

Yes indeed. eom Tipperary Jun 2018 #24

one thing you need to understand. This issue transcends politics bigtree Jun 2018 #29

I've been working on immigration since the 80s Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #37

respectfully, it was you who made that stark linkage to Trump bigtree Jun 2018 #40

So you really believe the people in this thread condemning the administration responsible Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #44

who is trying to dissassociate the plights of immigrants from the Obama-era bigtree Jun 2018 #49

So educate and inform them whenever you have a chance - Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #54

nothing was obscured and I don't think anyone on this thread needs informing bigtree Jun 2018 #60

Really? You can read the responses, prior to my post Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #63

read the damn post bigtree Jun 2018 #65

Amazing that Obama was NOT POTUS in 2005, isn't it? I'm not sure why someone (not you)... Hekate Jun 2018 #77

The information we need is why do they take this stuff treestar Jun 2018 #76

Sadly xenophobia PatSeg Jun 2018 #48

These images predate Obama, as well. nt Hekate Jun 2018 #75

Why did they take their soap, rubber bands and condoms? progressoid Jun 2018 #73

Their enablers will pay big bucks for these just like the Nazis. olegramps Jun 2018 #26

Where is the Catholic church? Soxfan58 Jun 2018 #2

Pope F on dRumpf's policy: Mc Mike Jun 2018 #4

Thank you Soxfan58 Jun 2018 #6

This stuff is getting almost zero coverage. Mc Mike Jun 2018 #10

Lots of churches have been offering sanctuary IronLionZion Jun 2018 #21

Thanks, ILZ. Nt Mc Mike Jun 2018 #22

To be fair the bishops have collectively spoken out condemning it. olegramps Jun 2018 #32

Why the ignorant hatred? US Conference of Catholic Bishops was among the first to condemn this Hekate Jun 2018 #80

I said earlier I wasn't aware of that. Sorry Soxfan58 Jun 2018 #81

Who's throwing anything in your face?I provided the full list as printed in the LA Times that day... Hekate Jun 2018 #83

That entire group of photos is stunning. Thanks for posting. NT enough Jun 2018 #3

These Rosaries are Trophies -- Beyond Disgusting dlk Jun 2018 #5

they need to be repatriated to the church bigtree Jun 2018 #9

And the confiscating of rosaries is done by "our very christian AG" who supports his pazzyanne Jun 2018 #12

These rosaries were cofiscated before Trump became president. Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #18

I understand that, but it is still happening. pazzyanne Jun 2018 #27

I don't like the practice either - but we need to be careful to be clear Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #33

I understand that. But sometimes there are things more important than optics. pazzyanne Jun 2018 #36

It's not about optics - it is about integrity. Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #43

In 2005, Bush was potus Hekate Jun 2018 #78

They were collecte between 2007 and 2014. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #84

What "rule" or crap allows, if at all, them to confiscate personal items? Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #8

Great questions! pazzyanne Jun 2018 #28

Most personal items are confiscated and held for 30 days pursuant to a regulation Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #46

"Most personal items are confiscated and held for 30 days pursuant to a regulation." pazzyanne Jun 2018 #50

"for 30 days" Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #53

Done! pazzyanne Jun 2018 #56

You asked, I told you the source of the authority. Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jun 2018 #67

certainly they're detained longer than 30 days. bigtree Jun 2018 #68

This is from 2015 oberliner Jun 2018 #11

The difference is that items taken are to be cataloged and returned to the owner. olegramps Jun 2018 #35

That is still the law - Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #45

Simple. Return them of give them or their replacement value. I don't demand anything other from both olegramps Jun 2018 #59

The regulation only provides for retention for 30 days. Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #61

Agreed, he began collecting these items in 2007. ICE has been hyper-agressive since it was formed. haele Jun 2018 #51

As a constitutional Atheist, I find this apauling... Javaman Jun 2018 #13

Why would they confiscate rosaries? This will not go over well w/the Catholic Church. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #14

Like the first images of children in cages, this image predates Trump. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #23

To give them credit, they are equal opportunity confiscators. pazzyanne Jun 2018 #31

OMG. This chills me. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #70

WE NEED TO SEE THE CHILDREN!!! Johnny2X2X Jun 2018 #15

This morning a discussion panel was dealing with the question of where are the girls and babies. pazzyanne Jun 2018 #34

K & R pazzyanne Jun 2018 #52

Step up Catholic church and regain some moral high ground - you know you need to. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2018 #19

Why in the hell would ICE confiscate a rosary? PatrickforO Jun 2018 #25

Because the string can be used to commit suicide. dgibby Jun 2018 #39

Please edit this post to include the dates these collections of images were taken Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #30

I assume they're still taking these religious objects and icons from refugees and migrants. bigtree Jun 2018 #38

You can see from the responses in this thread Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #41

this is just wrong bigtree Jun 2018 #47

I absolutely agree that it would (and should) transcend today's politics - Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #57

the post states it and the article posted states it bigtree Jun 2018 #62

I am obsessed with integrity. Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #64

then stop lying about my post bigtree Jun 2018 #66

I am not lying about your post. Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #72

ffs bigtree Jun 2018 #85

Good on you, bigtree. pazzyanne Jun 2018 #71

love that pic riversedge Jun 2018 #42

Thank you for your insightful post that supports the purpose of the pictures. pazzyanne Jun 2018 #55

This is so very very sad and wrong Gothmog Jun 2018 #69

Holy Mary, Mother of God: where are the children? Hekate Jun 2018 #74

Trump will call it contraband SummerSnow Jun 2018 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author MuseRider Jun 2018 #82