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cthulu2016

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23. In fairness, Obama has been tough on Immigration

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:48 PM

Jan 2012

The good goes with the bad. He has seen more people deported in three years than Bush did in eight, or something like that.

That aggressive policy is to some degree politics so I'm not sure Obama has wanted immigration torches from the ACLU.

All in all, Obama came out pretty well here, I think.

The biggest distinction in their ranking is surveillance and that's a fair cop.

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ACLU candidate scorecard: Gary Johnson 1st, Obama 3rd, and conservatives hostile to liberty [View all] banned from Kos Jan 2012 OP

Keep counting those torches izquierdista Jan 2012 #1

Civil libertarianism is a pretty big tendency within the ACLU. Selatius Jan 2012 #2

You are exactly right. The ACLU has a narrow focus. Ron Paul is batshit nuts on everything else. banned from Kos Jan 2012 #6

Forget ProSense Jan 2012 #11

So they're comparing Obama to the lies the others peddle? FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #32

Not to mention if he tried, Congress would stop him. TheWraith Jan 2012 #47

3 torches for hating all of humanity except rich white males. 5 torches for bat-shittery... FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #3

Pals around with Politicalboi Jan 2012 #4

OMG! I usually love the ACLU, but they BLAME O because johnaries Jan 2012 #5

Obama is keeping Gitmo in business via Executive Order, Its all on him... IamK Jan 2012 #15

Some attorney's like Yoo have twisted words to death.... midnight Jan 2012 #46

No. He didn't do every thing he could... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #16

the ACLU is an embarrassment... how they survive nobody knows.... IamK Jan 2012 #7

Based on what?? Logical Jan 2012 #14

Fascinating ProSense Jan 2012 #8

In fairness, Obama has been tough on Immigration cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #23

Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #25

The old conundrum, where both law and lawlessness threaten liberty bhikkhu Jan 2012 #9

The way I read it, Gary Johnson is #1, Paul #2, Obama #3 Renew Deal Jan 2012 #10

you are correct. I goofed by reading the body of text I quoted. n/t banned from Kos Jan 2012 #12

You can edit. n/t ProSense Jan 2012 #20

thanks, somehow I thought titles were not edited. banned from Kos Jan 2012 #22

You can edit the headline. cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #21

How is Ron Paul first, if Gary Johnson scored higher? beyurslf Jan 2012 #13

It's not about who they like. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #17

It's ProSense Jan 2012 #18

An honest statement of divide and conquer, at least. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #24

Hmmmm? ProSense Jan 2012 #28

Carry on. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #29

I ProSense Jan 2012 #30

"Strawmen arguments," that's hilarious. It's pretty much all you do. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #31

Maybe ProSense Jan 2012 #35

This is exactly how Iraq war supporters argued. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #36

Ah ProSense Jan 2012 #38

This is about right. (It's a ranking, not an endorsement.) cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #19

Yes. If they were completely idealistic and not a bit pragmatic, no one would score... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #26

If this surprised you, then you do not know WHY the ACLU was founded nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #27

Didn't surprise me. I am an ACLU donor and former drug using LP voter. banned from Kos Jan 2012 #33

Scratches head and walks away... nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #41

Which is why one-issue organizations are about one issue frazzled Jan 2012 #34

Yes. With an incumbant and challengers you're always comparing performance with promises cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #37

But that is a really stupid metric frazzled Jan 2012 #39

What stances? worker33 Jan 2012 #43

Slashing government spending, reducing taxes, anti-Fed ... frazzled Jan 2012 #45

Has the ACLU noticed Ron Paul's draconian, christofascist stance on women?? kestrel91316 Jan 2012 #40

Yes, why the score card on those issues was so low nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #42

You do know that its usually the right wingers who hate the ACLU? quinnox Jan 2012 #44