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The Velveteen Ocelot

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44. I don't agree. The reason for the family separation policy

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 09:13 AM

Jun 2018

was to get Dems to agree to legislation funding the wall.

Jonathan Lemire, the White House correspondent for the Associated Press, told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that Trump enacted the policy — which he later blamed on Democrats — to intentionally ignite another political firestorm.

“In our reporting, he was telling people around him that he thought this would be a good cultural war, kind of victory here, akin to the NFL players kneeling for the national anthem,” Lemire said.

The president and attorney general Jeff Sessions admitted they hoped the detained children would force Democrats to agree to fund a border wall, along with other Trump immigration priorities, but instead he signed an executive order to end the separations.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210766048

The new executive order is, of course, a sham that just creates more problems and is probably illegal. The point, though, is that Trump mistakenly thought he could get away with yet another awful thing and there would be no blowback. This time there was.

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I think we learned a couple of important things this week: [View all] The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 OP

K&R smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #1

+1 Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #2

LOL! The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #4

Hi Blue_Tires syringis Jun 2018 #36

Yep Meowmee Jun 2018 #37

Got to keep the pressure on. This is not even close to being over. nt Ferrets are Cool Jun 2018 #3

I agree with you...We must keep the pressure on.. Stuart G Jun 2018 #15

He will try something even worse. Dave Starsky Jun 2018 #41

We learned the importance of a Free Press calling leaders out on their lies in a strong way. TeamPooka Jun 2018 #5

Yes. NM jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #21

For sure. Dave Starsky Jun 2018 #42

Since he is a sociopath and has no idea what feelings and emotions are, BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #6

So true! lunasun Jun 2018 #8

good one good one..... pangaia Jun 2018 #17

I think Meowmee Jun 2018 #38

media did a good job for once, will they continue? AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #7

K&R - Keep resisting! nt PunkinPi Jun 2018 #9

Correct. But... Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #10

Take a day off, or 2. It's ok. pangaia Jun 2018 #18

LOL! Will do! This is exhausting! At least we didn't have any child detention centers here... Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #22

Necessary reminders Crash2Parties Jun 2018 #11

I'm not so sure about Catholic leaders doing that en masse. Some probably did. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #26

It was extremely widespread. And it was official, via the American Bishops Crash2Parties Jun 2018 #32

I think you may be misremembering... Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #33

"As allowed by law" (court permission) is the loophole that won't allow "family detention centers." ancianita Jun 2018 #12

Yes, the Flores settlement prohibits it. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #13

Public pressure works! That makes it our responsibility. Jim__ Jun 2018 #14

And don't forget the 2,300 kids STILL caged that the administration PatrickforO Jun 2018 #16

The Executive Order still gives them leeway to separate families. Lonestarblue Jun 2018 #19

Yes! Ohioboy Jun 2018 #25

You're darned right. PatrickforO Jun 2018 #31

Capitalism isn't bad as long as we have good protections from those who would use it for wrong. Ohioboy Jun 2018 #43

If you think it through, the single biggest problem in capitalism is PatrickforO Jun 2018 #48

And please let's keep calling them Trumpvilles. fierywoman Jun 2018 #20

That is the perfect name and likely to get under his orange skin. AllyCat Jun 2018 #29

Amen to that! You are correct on all counts. Ohioboy Jun 2018 #23

Trump has proven fully capable and willing to commit Hitlerian level atrocities Skraxx Jun 2018 #24

Totally agree. He has been operating from that playbook for quite a while. Enoki33 Jun 2018 #28

If the people who so hate America are swept from Congress, Trump is liable for prosecution. NNadir Jun 2018 #27

i know the marching gets tiresome, barbtries Jun 2018 #30

"...what will be done about the kids that have already been separated?" Garrett78 Jun 2018 #34

I told my husband this a.m. that Grammy23 Jun 2018 #35

Yes Meowmee Jun 2018 #39

I'm afraid your good thing isn't so good after all. Pacifist Patriot Jun 2018 #40

I don't agree. The reason for the family separation policy The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #44

Children can't be detained indefinitely. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #49

Exactly - the pressure only forced him to put out a fake press release. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #46

It's not meaningless so much as problematic, to put it mildly. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #50

The Executive Order is a fake. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #45

Of course it is. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #47

This story is not going away and we need to remind his supporters everyday he's putting kimbutgar Jun 2018 #51