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259. According to what?

Tue Jun 26, 2018, 06:15 PM

Jun 2018

As a follow up, what non-biased replacement words should white people use for families? Voters? Americans?

The poster you responded to isn’t saying you should put black in front of those words. They’re arguing that you DON’T have to. These words are already vague enough to include groups other than white people.

If you want to say, people here different things when different phrases are used, that’s fine. But that’s not what the OP says. It says that when white people speak these words it’s code, and that’s bullshit.

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40 Ways White People Say 'White People' Without Actually Saying 'White People' [View all] sheshe2 Jun 2018 OP

I swear I hit that Rec button a thousand times, but it only came up one. Iggo Jun 2018 #1

Ha. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #17

I din't get the reason for this wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #2

It's an MO Loki Liesmith Jun 2018 #4

Yes. Tipperary Jun 2018 #6

Aaaah sheshe2 Jun 2018 #44

Does MO mean anything besides modus operandi? Marthe48 Jun 2018 #121

It's verbiage in society, often including the media,... NCTraveler Jun 2018 #7

That is not absolute is it? It is an opinion isn't it in reality. wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #9

It is not an opinion nor is it absolute. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #11

This whole OP is a game. You know you are looking for wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #14

Presumably the attack point is those of us on DU. Why else would they be so vague ? OnDoutside Jun 2018 #52

Perhaps not being American is interfering with your recognition of those code words... moriah Jun 2018 #61

No, I know exactly how it's said, but my point (and I've tried to get this over elsewhere) is that OnDoutside Jun 2018 #110

Well, it's one of the examples of privilege... moriah Jun 2018 #135

It's like posting "Blacks are ruining CHICAGO"or "Jews are cheap!" elehhhhna Jun 2018 #175

The "some" or "many" is implied. If I say, "fish are getting caught in six-pack rings," I clearly... Garrett78 Jun 2018 #184

Oh dear..... OnDoutside Jun 2018 #199

And your post is a personal attack on me. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #65

40 Ways White People Say 'White People' Without Actually Saying 'White People' - yeah, vague. OnDoutside Jun 2018 #103

When you read an article... tonedevil Jun 2018 #106

So again you attack me and imply a meaning that I never said. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #141

It's the title of your thread. elehhhhna Jun 2018 #159

It was the title of the article. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #162

That's insulting. elehhhhna Jun 2018 #176

What is insulting? sheshe2 Jun 2018 #179

Stop your circular bu!ish if I'm done i know what you want. elehhhhna Jun 2018 #187

I have no fucking clue what you are talking about. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #189

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #190

Yep. Tipperary Jun 2018 #208

Not for one minute, because you don't state it in your OP. It's a bit late to OnDoutside Jun 2018 #198

Honestly? JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #201

ALL politicians don't use these words EffieBlack Jun 2018 #206

Yes. Read the title of the OP. OnDoutside Jun 2018 #207

Now imagine it's the day after the 2016 election JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #221

Do you know if that old white guy was a member of DU ? Probably not, right ? OnDoutside Jun 2018 #222

I don't JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #226

Ah but there's the rub, OnDoutside Jun 2018 #227

I agree with you the majority of the time but with this and wypipo you poor it on a little thick I wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #109

Yes, indeed. Tipperary Jun 2018 #53

It's fucking dog-whistle code and it goes on all fucking day. Iggo Jun 2018 #15

Sorta like when the news portrays sheshe2 Jun 2018 #22

Or that black flood victims are looters but white flood victims thankfully found some food. Iggo Jun 2018 #24

Dayum. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #34

I will never forget those two photos mcar Jun 2018 #45

Looters and scavengers. /nt tonedevil Jun 2018 #102

That is way over and above these "40 words" Anyone can see the wrong in calling everyone black a wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #113

No, it's right there. Iggo Jun 2018 #214

Agreed---Or even just identifying. POC, or Latino, even a woman,,,or... etc etc pangaia Jun 2018 #62

Exactly, pangaia. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #66

Rioters vs Drunkken Revelry mercuryblues Jun 2018 #265

"dog-whistle code" mitch96 Jun 2018 #43

I watch that Superior Donuts show. murielm99 Jun 2018 #55

Think about it for awhile EffieBlack Jun 2018 #48

Maybe 'Wypipo' ran out of steam too quickly? Sailor65x1 Jun 2018 #163

Maybe wypipo using 40 words could work wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #191

Its not personal. Don't take it personal. Polite exclusion is still exclusion. Its not the words ... marble falls Jun 2018 #228

"A lot of truth in that list" Loki Liesmith Jun 2018 #3

I missed it too Runningdawg Jun 2018 #10

In the places you deny yourself the opportunity to look. LanternWaste Jun 2018 #13

And I enjoy your righteous berating of people wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #28

Every time. NEVER offering any comment of any substance. Only condescension. 7962 Jun 2018 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Jun 2018 #160

Please, just read the post to which I'm responding. 7962 Jun 2018 #161

deleted and I apologize. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #165

No problem, thank u! 7962 Jun 2018 #171

Thanks and sorry. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #174

I think you are unaware of the meaning of the word "bemusing." Tipperary Jun 2018 #54

I award you the internet for the day. 7962 Jun 2018 #210

Just as a start. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #38

I grew up need the steel mills of Chicago and they had very mixed race employment elehhhhna Jun 2018 #177

Uuum sheshe2 Jun 2018 #197

1 to 40 ck4829 Jun 2018 #223

He seems to have forgotten too add his reasoning mythology Jun 2018 #5

No need. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #73

Heartland is another one. From the heartland ..wherever that is. Other areas have no heart? lunasun Jun 2018 #8

From the perspective of a US citizen, christx30 Jun 2018 #90

It is called the heartland because the brain isn't there. FSogol Jun 2018 #137

Don't say the words White People NY_20th Jun 2018 #12

Why the capitalization? Igel Jun 2018 #49

Does it matter? NY_20th Jun 2018 #71

Bull. Lots of people of all races fit in that list. pwb Jun 2018 #16

I usually go with redneck cracker MAGAtard, at least for many of the white folks in my neighborhood. malchickiwick Jun 2018 #18

MAGAtard!!! wolfie001 Jun 2018 #203

In the sixties we use to call this kind of thing "mind fucking." wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #19

This isn't about racism NY_20th Jun 2018 #23

Created for just this kind of thread. wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #27

White people are conditioned that when they hear those words, NY_20th Jun 2018 #37

It's majority privilege. Igel Jun 2018 #56

Great post. Captain Stern Jun 2018 #67

What an awesome post. NY_20th Jun 2018 #70

+1. nice post! yonder Jun 2018 #82

A very worthwhile post. Beartracks Jun 2018 #134

Great explanation! EffieBlack Jun 2018 #157

+++ sheshe2 Jun 2018 #173

+1000 InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #209

+1000 Thank You. Kind of Blue Jun 2018 #237

There is no implicit bias in the words. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #50

What I'm saying is, when white people hear the term middle class, NY_20th Jun 2018 #77

That's not what the OP says. You've got it backwards. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #79

It's implicitly implied NY_20th Jun 2018 #88

So what race is the writer of "the black middle class is in for a very harsh, rude awakening"? Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #96

I'm not aware of the writing you speak of, but again, NY_20th Jun 2018 #101

I see. You detect implicit bias in that excerpt. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #107

No, I'm not trying to detect anything, NY_20th Jun 2018 #116

If no group of people are monolithic then it would be best to not write Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #122

No, because again, NY_20th Jun 2018 #124

So you still have not given advice about how to write "middle class" when what is meant is Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #125

No. I never said that it was wrong to write it as such. NY_20th Jun 2018 #132

I have examined Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #136

Again, I understand that you don't feel you need to make it clear NY_20th Jun 2018 #139

So if the fault lies in the reader but both alternatives for writer are wrong, what is writer to do? Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #140

It's clear we are not seeing eye to eye on this. NY_20th Jun 2018 #143

It has been enjoyable, and I agree with hints you dropped that we are probably not far apart. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #145

Just want to say "cheers" NY_20th Jun 2018 #147

Most? Maybe add the modifier Old wypipo? Then you offend more of the wrong audience. elehhhhna Jun 2018 #180

Why are you offended? NY_20th Jun 2018 #229

Any word can be a trigger !!!!! elehhhhna Jun 2018 #193

Lol! I know, right? Tipperary Jun 2018 #219

So much more mindreading here. elehhhhna Jun 2018 #178

Yes, and back in the day on DU, we called it "shit-stirring " cwydro Jun 2018 #211

... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #20

Hey Jackie sheshe2 Jun 2018 #81

From the author of: "I'm Tired of Good White People" oberliner Jun 2018 #21

Thus du destroys itself. *** "We become what we resist" *** elehhhhna Jun 2018 #192

I would take exception to some of these terms FakeNoose Jun 2018 #25

Yeah! Fuck Americans, amirite!? TCJ70 Jun 2018 #26

Yeah right. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #148

Can you list non-biased replacements for these words? TCJ70 Jun 2018 #216

Yes, pretty much a regular thing for certain posters here. Tipperary Jun 2018 #233

Exactly. Owl Jun 2018 #246

What an incredibly ignorant OP. Every bit as hate mongering as when the RWNJs do it. OnDoutside Jun 2018 #29

If you Google each and every one of those words... MrScorpio Jun 2018 #30

That's not a fault of the words or the people who use the words. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #47

Don't say white people EffieBlack Jun 2018 #150

Even better, Google them in Google Images. MineralMan Jun 2018 #230

I'm glad I never said any of those words. egduj Jun 2018 #31

I don't know why the response to this sort of post is always so defensive cyclonefence Jun 2018 #32

I really don't understand what's behind all of that white racial resentment myself MrScorpio Jun 2018 #35

Exactly! Croney Jun 2018 #60

Yup! happy feet Jun 2018 #68

Yes. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #85

Right on. PunkinPi Jun 2018 #138

Fascinating, isn't it? EffieBlack Jun 2018 #151

+1, Enough of us are woke and should keep speak up uponit7771 Jun 2018 #153

The discomfort with references to "white people" is interesting EffieBlack Jun 2018 #156

I remember this cyclonefence Jun 2018 #164

Wow! This is so deep! EffieBlack Jun 2018 #168

We already know this. Or we'd be freepers. elehhhhna Jun 2018 #181

You don't have to be a freeper to not know this EffieBlack Jun 2018 #204

+1 fishwax Jun 2018 #172

+1. I'm white and I have no problem with these posts ck4829 Jun 2018 #225

This. geardaddy Jun 2018 #235

Plenty of implicit bias among white liberals, unfortunately. Bradical79 Jun 2018 #252

And politicians do it to JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #33

Bingo, whiteness as the default... MrScorpio Jun 2018 #36

"Too." cwydro Jun 2018 #255

And of course, my favorite: "People Like Us" ::sigh:: n/t TygrBright Jun 2018 #39

Shaming people for saying "voters" is stupid way to get all colors out to vote! Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #40

I would suggest... tonedevil Jun 2018 #63

Oh? And what do you suggest for "middle class" Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #69

You are reacting as if... tonedevil Jun 2018 #84

The article presents an implicit prohibition. It is devoid of reasoning, discussion or background. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #92

You may infer, but... tonedevil Jun 2018 #100

Without that implication, the OP & article are DEVOID of point about "writing" and "saying" Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #111

I think I understand the article and the OP... tonedevil Jun 2018 #120

OK I wasn't clear enough. Let me try to be clearer for you Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #123

Condescend to someone who cares... tonedevil Jun 2018 #126

You, who write "I don't find I have missed anything important", cries "condescending!". :eyes: Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #127

Roll your eyes to your hearts content it looks good on you. /nt tonedevil Jun 2018 #131

perhaps sheshe2 Jun 2018 #149

How do You (tonedevil) know the race of a writer? You do not. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #72

If you read the link you would know. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #87

If you read my post title you would know Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #97

Black people are very aware of white people in society, NY_20th Jun 2018 #99

1) You over generalize about white people and your complaint is that white people overgeneralize Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #105

I am a white person, so I am very intune with how some white people react and feel NY_20th Jun 2018 #112

When I write "people" I mean people. What is my race? Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #115

I'm happy that when you write people, and picture people NY_20th Jun 2018 #117

I know who... tonedevil Jun 2018 #114

Again, it has to be said that "a writer" does not mean "the writer". Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #118

You are correct... tonedevil Jun 2018 #155

Really, I mean Really. A lot of untruth in that list too. njhoneybadger Jun 2018 #41

Glad this is still here mcar Jun 2018 #42

Thanks mcar sheshe2 Jun 2018 #242

But let one black person one time say "Wypipo" and all hell breaks loose ... EffieBlack Jun 2018 #46

ya ... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #167

Yup. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #169

Yep. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #170

Wow. Women looooove Exaggeration. By women i mean hysterical women obviously. elehhhhna Jun 2018 #183

Whoosh! EffieBlack Jun 2018 #202

You left out wypipo. Tipperary Jun 2018 #51

Because that's not a way that white people say "white people" without saying "white people." Iggo Jun 2018 #59

Well, Tipperary sheshe2 Jun 2018 #94

Yup. ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #57

Haha, the author added a funny note... Croney Jun 2018 #58

Let me add a little sick translation humor Xipe Totec Jun 2018 #74

17 sarisataka Jun 2018 #75

All American n/t ejbr Jun 2018 #76

+1000. nt ecstatic Jun 2018 #188

I don't think most of these are do-whistles, but they are definitely a kind of Nitram Jun 2018 #78

Yes indeed Roy Rolling Jun 2018 #80

Chris Matthews has used SEVERAL of these terms for bullwinkle428 Jun 2018 #83

Thank God I'm here to pay for his sins elehhhhna Jun 2018 #186

Yes, because YOU are the victim in all of this EffieBlack Jun 2018 #205

So these are words used by white politicians and other peddlers of racism as code for white people. Chemisse Jun 2018 #86

What about W.A.S.P.? bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #89

That's actually saying it. ucrdem Jun 2018 #91

Still rocking... sarisataka Jun 2018 #98

Pisses me off whenever I hear someone opine about "real America" thucythucy Jun 2018 #93

Silent majority ucrdem Jun 2018 #95

It only works if you let it. Homeowner and taxpayer may be dog whistles to the right but we can't wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #128

Oh yes! Great points. I recognize those whistles. nt R B Garr Jun 2018 #217

Hmmm. Maybe that list might be titled LakeArenal Jun 2018 #104

Or even insinuating......🤷‍♀️ Heartstrings Jun 2018 #130

One way posters help Republicans gulliver Jun 2018 #108

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2018 #119

and then they cry when someone says 'wypipo' samir.g Jun 2018 #129

HUH WHAT?????? whistler162 Jun 2018 #133

... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #144

No, but how often do you hear "this white guy" vs "this black guy"? moriah Jun 2018 #146

+1000 n/t Kind of Blue Jun 2018 #241

No, it's about implicit bias and dog wgistles -nt Bradical79 Jun 2018 #253

Not sure how this got to be controversial grantcart Jun 2018 #142

If this is really the best you can do, then perhaps we are all doomed to failure. PubliusEnigma Jun 2018 #152

Do not feed the trolls. Doodley Jun 2018 #154

There are a lot of replys in this thread... tonedevil Jun 2018 #158

Really? Southerners? Do you understand that most of the south is black? Tipperary Jun 2018 #166

Really? The military? Respect? sheshe2 Jun 2018 #185

"Do you understand that most of the south is black?" BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #213

+1000 OnDoutside Jun 2018 #224

Well, the South has large concentrations of AAs but most of the South Kind of Blue Jun 2018 #239

Don't forget, "the girl/or boy next door." Pretty sure ecstatic Jun 2018 #182

Nah. Called him "boy" , must mean black. The term dates from the 40's so .... elehhhhna Jun 2018 #194

The list left off some categories Gothmog Jun 2018 #195

"Working families" is another one. A loaded one. progree Jun 2018 #196

wow. KG Jun 2018 #200

K&R ck4829 Jun 2018 #212

Hmm Afromania Jun 2018 #215

. Iggo Jun 2018 #240

You said it, she. A lot of truth in that list. K&R. nt R B Garr Jun 2018 #218

K&R ehrnst Jun 2018 #220

As a native Hawaiian, I am an American yuiyoshida Jun 2018 #231

Yup. And the blowback, even here, is telling. MineralMan Jun 2018 #232

Telling what? Please be as descriptive as possible not all of us have the wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #258

Think about it. It's a common term. MineralMan Jun 2018 #260

K&R geardaddy Jun 2018 #234

Thank You, Sheshe! I don't know where you get Kind of Blue Jun 2018 #236

Thank you, Blue. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #247

Yep! Puzzler Jun 2018 #238

Good list hueymahl Jun 2018 #243

I hate post like these keepleft101 Jun 2018 #244

Forgot, "Settler", "Investor Class", "Homesteader", "Prepper" and "Land owners" harun Jun 2018 #245

Europeans? Please azureblue Jun 2018 #248

The point is... tonedevil Jun 2018 #249

+ 1000! sheshe2 Jun 2018 #250

You have managed to unearth... tonedevil Jun 2018 #251

They may not see it. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #254

According to what? TCJ70 Jun 2018 #259

I don't know why... tonedevil Jun 2018 #261

I think I'm hardly the one whining here. TCJ70 Jun 2018 #263

If you can't accept... tonedevil Jun 2018 #264

Give it up. To the supporters of this OP you are proving your guilt. wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #256

Some just have a comprehension problem Bradical79 Jun 2018 #257

For such a long post, you're missing the point. Or demonstrating it, whichever. moriah Jun 2018 #262