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oberliner

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108. This was a very specific win in very specific place

Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:38 AM

Jun 2018

I think it's important to recognize that our party is deep and wide, and the different strategies must be employed in different places. That we will have a great deal of common ground on key issues, but also that it's OK to have some differences of opinion here and there.

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A 28-year-old Democratic Socialist just ousted a powerful, 10-term congressman in New York [View all] spanone Jun 2018 OP

She didn't say "identity politics" one time either. ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #1

Interesting observation rogue emissary Jun 2018 #6

I hate. LOATHE, the dismissal of racism as "identity politics" ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #10

So why is it a good thing she didn't use the term "identity politics"? rogue emissary Jun 2018 #20

Gillibrand a "progressive leader"? vi5 Jun 2018 #103

This is such great news. underthematrix Jun 2018 #2

Sure, if you are Trump. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #4

Why do you say that? underthematrix Jun 2018 #5

Because we just made a member of the House Democratic leadership a lame duck stevenleser Jun 2018 #9

'leading the fight against Trump?' I'd never heard of him leftstreet Jun 2018 #12

He is talking about the structure of practical politics ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #14

Thanks, I was about to post that very thing. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #17

LOL. The basic understanding how our government works seems to evade many people. It reminds me still_one Jun 2018 #39

+1. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #47

Repub lite w/D good; left D w/D bad dpibel Jun 2018 #63

Did you even read my post, and where did I say Cortez was "bad"? Let me restate what I still_one Jun 2018 #68

No, of course you shouldn't assume she's bad. :) Hortensis Jun 2018 #106

It does matter. That's partly why she won. KPN Jun 2018 #49

No. Your post is not on point at all. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #52

We disagree apparently. Oh well. KPN Jun 2018 #55

Nope, it's not about disagreement. You responded to an issue other than the one stevenleser Jun 2018 #56

Nope? Nope. We still disagree. I responded to KPN Jun 2018 #60

Your wrong Blues Heron Jun 2018 #84

Nope, I'm not. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #114

+1 Blues Heron Jun 2018 #83

She can vote, and she'll vote progressive. tomp Jun 2018 #81

You'd never heard of him? oberliner Jun 2018 #19

Guess I missed that. But you'd think in 14 years...n/t leftstreet Jun 2018 #21

He was chasing visibility on a train that he was late for. KPN Jun 2018 #51

And now he's a lame duck Blues Heron Jun 2018 #85

OMG!! this is part of her bio. SHE.IS.BRILLIANT and CRITICAL THINKER underthematrix Jun 2018 #15

I missed the part about her elected political experience in that fluff you posted. stevenleser Jun 2018 #16

She's well educated, thinks outside the box and underthematrix Jun 2018 #18

That is as impressive to me as someone as what you just described trying to perform surgery stevenleser Jun 2018 #23

Knowledge and experience do matter. She's obviously KPN Jun 2018 #59

"Knowledge and experience matters". Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #126

She will not need any help getting elected oberliner Jun 2018 #24

But you support her, right? Lordquinton Jun 2018 #37

Of course - she's great oberliner Jun 2018 #112

I dunno, Crowley thought the same thing Lordquinton Jun 2018 #141

No she won't have any problem still_one Jun 2018 #40

Your electoral prophecies have been quite spot on... LanternWaste Jun 2018 #99

Keeping the seat Democratic would be good. But she won't have any clout... Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #48

Hmmm ... and you know this how? KPN Jun 2018 #61

The newbies have no clout or power. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #62

What is wrong with any of that? As you said, KPN Jun 2018 #65

These aren't normal times. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #66

Sounds like Crowley wasn't very persuasive Blues Heron Jun 2018 #89

Maybe she won because these aren't normal times. KPN Jun 2018 #125

Our political system has a problem with near permanent incumbency Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #127

I'm in favor of term limits. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #132

I usually agree with your posts, but I don't understand spooky3 Jun 2018 #29

See Oberliners 24 above. stevenleser Jun 2018 #30

But as the Dem Candidate, you support her 100%, right? Lordquinton Jun 2018 #42

Define support. I think your definition differs from the site's. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #54

You don't support the Democratic candidate? Lordquinton Jun 2018 #75

Define support. I think your definition differs from the site's. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #115

You don't support her? Lordquinton Jun 2018 #142

Define support. I think your definition differs from the site's. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #145

You've said the same thing several times in a row now, I think you might actually not support her Lordquinton Jul 2018 #148

Define support. I think your definition differs from the site's. nt stevenleser Jul 2018 #150

I did for you Lordquinton Jul 2018 #152

Seems like an easy question melman Jun 2018 #147

It's a very easy question Lordquinton Jul 2018 #149

I don't understand why you say this? If you said you feel like KPN Jun 2018 #64

Absolutely, in fact it's a part of the site rules Lordquinton Jun 2018 #36

Yes it is puzzling. We're in a fight for the survival of our democracy and underthematrix Jun 2018 #137

She just got some Blues Heron Jun 2018 #88

+1. nt R B Garr Jun 2018 #31

She will bring a lot of energy and enthusiasm to her job. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #43

"Attractive" is a qualification? Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #53

Each district is a little different. Voters get to vote for their favorite. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #57

And Crowley was in line as Speaker. And he was powerful, is what I read. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #46

Again, the group that is celebrating this can't see that for some reason. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #50

This is what worries me. xmas74 Jun 2018 #67

How powerful was he, really, if he didn't have strong support in his district? Mariana Jun 2018 #96

Apples and Oranges. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #119

Powerful in the House among Democratic reps, apparently. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #133

Crowley was just the last heir apparent of his generation left standing - the others (Rahm Emanuel, Midwestern Democrat Jun 2018 #143

Such is politics. You are basically saying that any time somebody has been a long sitting JCanete Jun 2018 #74

There's a reason these seats are up for reelection every two years. Mariana Jun 2018 #109

Nate is right and you are wrong. stevenleser Jun 2018 #120

Nate uses the word "maybe". Mariana Jun 2018 #122

He was being kind. It's a district of 700,000 people and how many participated in the primary? stevenleser Jun 2018 #123

I think people getting to choose who they want to represent them in Congress is always foremost Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #93

I think you know what I mean, and what you wrote doesn't address that. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #118

I think I did. In my subject line for starters Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #124

So you don't think rusty fender Jun 2018 #139

If he was really leading the fight then people would know his name. Ted Lieu is leading the fight TeamPooka Jul 2018 #153

Nope, that is not correct. nt stevenleser Jul 2018 #154

Yes it is. TeamPooka Jul 2018 #155

Many are calculating that we aren't going to win back fallout87 Jun 2018 #8

Those who are exposing that point of view fail to recognize that House elections are more than about still_one Jun 2018 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author Exotica Jun 2018 #69

You're right zipplewrath Jun 2018 #92

Excellent news!! Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #7

Here's a flyer on her platform... leftstreet Jun 2018 #3

Sounds like Bernie oberliner Jun 2018 #25

I think I read she was an organizer on his campaign leftstreet Jun 2018 #27

Makes sense oberliner Jun 2018 #113

Exactly, but she wants to abolish ICE and that is at R B Garr Jun 2018 #34

Shhhh. Don't scare people. n/t Orsino Jun 2018 #91

Yes, a WINNING message! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #151

While I agree that new blood is needed Marbgd1 Jun 2018 #11

She is the new Democratic Party. Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #13

In what respect? oberliner Jun 2018 #26

The Country has changed my friend. Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #28

Folks see what they want to see. The country you say has moved left and is embracing stevenleser Jun 2018 #32

Trump is not lily white. He is a person of color progree Jun 2018 #44

LMAO, well played... stevenleser Jun 2018 #45

BOOM! ChubbyStar Jun 2018 #72

The Democratic Party has many faces oberliner Jun 2018 #111

I spent years 0 through five in that district. Same home town as where Crowley owns his house Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #128

It's a safe district. She's young and has energy and isn't afraid to stand up. Tatiana Jun 2018 #22

Another progressive win tonight! JoeOtterbein Jun 2018 #33

She is very smart and assertive - she is going to be a force in congress womanofthehills Jun 2018 #35

Great news! H2O Man Jun 2018 #38

The DNC must be wondering what's going on. The_Casual_Observer Jun 2018 #58

Is she a Democrat, a Democratic Socialist, Progressive Democrat or Progressive Democratic Socialist Wwcd Jun 2018 #70

She's a member of the Democratic Socialists of America Autumn Jun 2018 #107

Is that like a Progressive Democrat? Wwcd Jun 2018 #110

Something like that. Autumn Jun 2018 #117

BTW, that's not a political party. The_Casual_Observer Jun 2018 #129

No it's not, we all know she's a Democrat. I just answered a question. Autumn Jun 2018 #135

Let's make one thing really clear GaryCnf Jun 2018 #71

Her platform is Hillary Clinton's 2016 platform. Wwcd Jun 2018 #79

No, it isn't. Orsino Jun 2018 #95

Have you ever read HRC's platform? It is too similar to ignore. Wwcd Jun 2018 #102

Well, it was a Democratic platform, to be sure. Orsino Jun 2018 #130

But....but....that's different! vi5 Jun 2018 #105

From what I saw on MSNBC tonight. She was no different from Conor Lamb tulipsandroses Jun 2018 #73

and in the short debate they did have, she came off better prepared and more honest womanofthehills Jun 2018 #76

Cynthia Nixon just might have a chance against Cuomo. Throck Jun 2018 #77

K & R Wwcd Jun 2018 #78

No JI7 Jun 2018 #86

He's accumulating baggage and the press may favor Cynthia Throck Jun 2018 #94

Are you joking? NY state is NOT like NY CD-14. . . DinahMoeHum Jun 2018 #97

The population favors NYC as exclusive Throck Jun 2018 #140

Then why the hell doesn't Cynthia show up in upstate/rural NY????? DinahMoeHum Jun 2018 #144

K & R democrank Jun 2018 #80

Woo Hoo!! RandiFan1290 Jun 2018 #82

Congratulations. Let's now hold the seat. Nt NCTraveler Jun 2018 #87

I lulz'd KG Jun 2018 #90

She's a young fresh face and will be great! I'm loving this. Autumn Jun 2018 #100

I've got mixed feelings about tbis Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #98

I have no doubt that she will get out in front of it... vi5 Jun 2018 #104

This was a very specific win in very specific place oberliner Jun 2018 #108

We were due for a wave of such candidates. Orsino Jun 2018 #134

K&R ck4829 Jun 2018 #101

And five miles away a moderate Democrat (Engel) won his primary in a landslide. So go figure. Squinch Jun 2018 #116

That's great, too! H2O Man Jun 2018 #131

O has amazing media charisma Snellius Jun 2018 #121

The establishment is noticing nolabels Jun 2018 #136

Will someone explain why "the media" and the RW have teamed up to call this some sort of disaster matt819 Jun 2018 #138

Great news and a hearty congrats to Ocasio-Cortez! Devil Child Jun 2018 #146