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Lee-Lee

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42. Essentially he is right, and wrong
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 07:54 AM
Jun 2018

The “cages” are the holding cells used at the processing centers. Every person caught crossing the border illegally goes to these centers. And that is true now, was true in the Obama Administration, and was true in the Bush administration and so on...

What has changed is what happens from there. The Obama administration policy was unaccompanied minors went to the DHHS shelters while their cases were handled. Adults were typically detained and run through the system and either granted asylum and released in the US or deported, with the vast majority deported. If a family unit was caught crossing illegally, that is a child with a parent, they still went to these same “cages” at processing centers but then they were given a date for an immigration hearing and released so the family was not split. The illegal entry was handled as a civil case instead of criminal.

This did create a bit of a double standard on how people were treated. If you had a minor with you it was almost certain you would be released into the US after being caught instead of detained or rapidly deported.

The change is that now these “family units” are not being released with a hearing date and a promise to appear. Instead the parents are all being charged criminally, just as they likely would be if they didn’t have kids with them. Well if you are arrested that makes your kids now “unaccompanied” so now they get treated the same as minors who actually crossed unaccompanied.

So your friend is mostly right- the so-called “cages” are holding cells that are in fact being used the exact same as they always were. What has changed is the splitting of families after they leave these processing centers that previously wouldn’t have been split up.

The pushing of the “cages” lines was probably a mistake by our side. While it makes for an attention grabbing sensational opening, it really is a criticism of the exact same policies and procedures and facilities used in years past also, and does open critics of current policy up to claims of hypocrisy or fake outrage when they go after that part of it. The focus always should have been on what actually changed, and that is the policy of locking up adults who cross with children instead of releasing them as a family into the US with a court date.

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And your friend supposedly knew that and did nothing?? C_U_L8R Jun 2018 #1
Here ya' go... UncleTomsEvilBrother Jun 2018 #2
Here's an explanation. writes3000 Jun 2018 #3
Unfortunately, this link shows your friend wasn't wrong MichMan Jun 2018 #10
Temporary before finding other places...different thing entirely...these were unacompanied minors... Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #15
Even though that is the case, cooldude Jun 2018 #21
It is the case...and we can certainly explain the differences...and Obama is a Democrat. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #27
if you're explaining, you're losing 0rganism Jun 2018 #33
I don't agree with that...no one is perfect and when the GOP is lying you have to explain. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #35
Sorry, I should have said cooldude Jun 2018 #39
A wave of mercuryblues Jun 2018 #38
Welcome to DU, cooldude. calimary Jul 2018 #45
no it doesn't. Trump's policy and intention was to separate children from their parents still_one Jun 2018 #40
snopes OKNancy Jun 2018 #4
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #19
Get better "friends". gibraltar72 Jun 2018 #5
Snopes posts it as True -- But. byronius Jun 2018 #6
Great point hurl Jun 2018 #9
I don't know about cages but virgogal Jun 2018 #7
That is untrue...it was a big deal...try google. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #12
Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #13
More likely some people feel the need to attack a great Democratic president who was hamstrung by Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #16
Hope this helps: DesertRat Jun 2018 #8
No President did not put kids in cages...families were no separated. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #11
I don't think it was people seeking asylum? pwb Jun 2018 #14
most of those separated by Trump's policy are also seeking asylum. Ms. Toad Jun 2018 #30
Jeh Johnson was Homeland Security Chief under Obama. He's been all over CNN/NBC/MSNBC hlthe2b Jun 2018 #17
I don't think that's whataboutism Nevernose Jun 2018 #18
I'd discourage them from voting. hunter Jun 2018 #20
Obama's not the president anymore Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #22
Try this one: "So you're saying that Trump is just as bad as Obama? My god!" byronius Jun 2018 #23
Cages is a red herring it's the kidnapping that's the issue, don't let then change the subject uponit7771 Jun 2018 #24
100,000 people kept prisoner by the Navy...concentration camps and you want to talk about Obama... Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #25
Why is your friend so determined to give Trump a free pass? emulatorloo Jun 2018 #26
Some people are "unreachable".Save your breath. Va Lefty Jun 2018 #28
Calimary lunatica Jun 2018 #29
"I don't know whether children were put in cages during the Obama Administration cyclonefence Jun 2018 #31
Ask for facts to back up bdamomma Jun 2018 #32
response depends a lot on context of the conversation 0rganism Jun 2018 #34
It's been a couple of days and I just wanted to thank everybody who responded. calimary Jun 2018 #36
Obama admin didn't have a no exception policy on JAILING kids in cages. Kids were there after influx uponit7771 Jun 2018 #41
Two words: PROVE IT! GoCubsGo Jun 2018 #37
Essentially he is right, and wrong Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #42
They need to keep the lies straight. I've heard Dubya and Clinton blamed too. ck4829 Jun 2018 #43
The cage-like detention centers existed during the Obama presidency oberliner Jun 2018 #44
WOW, you guys - THANK YOU! calimary Jul 2018 #46
They claim Obama put kids in cages and wants open borders dembotoz Jul 2018 #47
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