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86. There's a subtle benefit to widening political discourse leftward, but also a risk

Fri Jun 29, 2018, 08:55 AM

Jun 2018

Fox has discussions between the far right and the center right all the time, which is effective at continually pushing perspectives rightward, while making liberal ideas seem out of the mainstream.

Wasn’t it refreshing to turn on TV and find discussions comparing “Universal health care” vs “public option for all”?

Similarly, if we end up with a discussion among Democrats of whether or not ICE should be abolished, we have a chance to educate the public about all options that are left of center. Also opportunity to show general agreement between multiple parties that immigrants are BOT disproportionately responsible for crimes, and that immigrants contribute to the economy, etc.

The downside is that the right wing is very good at parodying / broad brush stroke the whole party based on one left wing idea taken out of context.

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'It's not just one district': Ocasio-Cortez pushes back on Pelosi [View all] BeyondGeography Jun 2018 OP

the descriptive word for some top level dems is "ossified" nt msongs Jun 2018 #1

:) 5% of that district's electorate voted. Hortensis Jun 2018 #38

There comes a point, though, where any existing order has to start Buns_of_Fire Jun 2018 #51

Of course, and it should happen in dribbles because of Hortensis Jun 2018 #59

Great example! Eko Jun 2018 #134

That was by design chosen by Party Leadership. They split up primaries in NY fo lower turn out Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #87

Sure, and thanks for the discussion. Hortensis Jun 2018 #91

We had split primaries for the first time here in NY last week. lapucelle Jun 2018 #151

Incorrect... brooklynite Jun 2018 #112

I gladly stand correctred. I should not have just accepted an explanation given by Steve Kornaki Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #139

That is pitiful. CentralMass Jun 2018 #159

Way to show a unified front, Nancy! leftstreet Jun 2018 #2

Seriously. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #129

Yes, the seasoned Ocasio-Cortez drew an overwhelming voter percentage response. fleabiscuit Jun 2018 #3

+1000 R B Garr Jun 2018 #12

Amazing how the media wants to focus on this race.😡 arthritisR_US Jun 2018 #39

I love Nancy but she is detached AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #4

Did you examine the voter demographics in that district? nt fleabiscuit Jun 2018 #5

it's less relevant than you may think - just look at her opponent AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #6

it was very low turnout and he didn't campaign , similar demographic changes happened in Charlie JI7 Jun 2018 #11

This Meowmee Jun 2018 #17

it kind of felt that way to me also, especially when he didn't seem upset at all that he lost JI7 Jun 2018 #23

Yeah, agree😹 Meowmee Jun 2018 #24

Huh? whathehell Jun 2018 #25

Which Crowley were you looking at? Ninsianna Jun 2018 #30

Lol whathehell Jun 2018 #37

I have no idea what you think you are responding to. Ninsianna Jul 2018 #167

That's unfortunate.. whathehell Jul 2018 #170

He Didn't Even Show Up To All The Debates Me. Jun 2018 #102

If he decided to phone it in exboyfil Jun 2018 #50

For me, the most relevant thing about this race is that the heir apparent to Nancy Pelosi got Midwestern Democrat Jun 2018 #81

In context, it was much higher than other districts Yavin4 Jun 2018 #108

It's more relevant than you may think. Cha Jun 2018 #48

That district was redrawn in 2012. N/T lapucelle Jun 2018 #96

Seems like spliting the primary dates and the resulting low turnout... brush Jun 2018 #152

It was a dismal response by her BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #8

then she should resign and let tim ryan take over AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #9

does Tim Ryan look like drastic change? Not the impression I got from him but maybe JCanete Jun 2018 #20

Maybe drastic change is more about ideas & strategies whathehell Jun 2018 #42

heh...that was what I was referring to though, sorry if that got lost in the question's phrasing. nt JCanete Jun 2018 #43

Good to hear. whathehell Jun 2018 #45

Going bold would require telling all these men who can't win or Ninsianna Jun 2018 #35

Definitely in favor of new strategies and "going bold". whathehell Jun 2018 #40

Fuck that noise. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #82

weird how he really doesn't seem to be grasping much and keeps Ninsianna Jun 2018 #31

Thank You for all that Reality! I felt like Cha Jun 2018 #52

I don't think Nancy feels "threatened" by Cortez.. Cha Jun 2018 #41

Oh really? BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #61

No, nothing to do with Nancy..and knowing that part of New York pretty well...the Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #64

Yes, really. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #83

Nancy is a wise, seasoned politician...she has to see the writing on the wall. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #133

She won her last election by 80.9 percent, pnwmom Jun 2018 #49

I know she can still carry Pacific Heights BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #60

"Duh" to you.. Nancy doesn't feel "threatened".. that's Cha Jun 2018 #65

The members of the House choose a leader, and they're smart enough to know pnwmom Jun 2018 #79

They attack her because it works for them BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #80

Many Democrats do though, especially with a chance in Nov... brush Jun 2018 #153

Nancy is elected speaker by her peers in the House. murielm99 Jun 2018 #155

She was for abolishing ICE in a heavily Latino district -- R B Garr Jun 2018 #10

Yes, agreed. I'm all for a progressive wave of people who refuse to take money from big JCanete Jun 2018 #22

Yes, she should refuse all money and do it on her own as that R B Garr Jun 2018 #92

Is she taking money or help from dark money groups like Our Revolution? N/T lapucelle Jun 2018 #97

Actually, it looks like she is getting their help. Great point. Some dark money R B Garr Jun 2018 #118

Cenk is the best "progressive" that Republican money can buy. lapucelle Jun 2018 #141

Wow, what an absolute scam. Funded by Republicans R B Garr Jun 2018 #148

... lapucelle Jun 2018 #149

the problem with money from corporations is that you don't have to be corrupt. I don't know JCanete Jun 2018 #113

You are still insulting people with this contrived scenario. It is implying all kinds of corruption R B Garr Jun 2018 #116

are you trying to tell me money doesn't have an impact? That would be absolutely ridiculous. JCanete Jun 2018 #119

It is meant as an insult. It implies corruption. I am not associated with R B Garr Jun 2018 #120

It is meant to draw a distinction, absolutely. Some I'm sure, believe that if you are taking money, JCanete Jun 2018 #123

I really don't need paragraphs of explanation over something that is contrived R B Garr Jun 2018 #124

Do you really want to get into specifics? There are plenty that can be and have been talked about JCanete Jun 2018 #125

I keep telling you that *I* was called a corporate Dem which made me laugh R B Garr Jun 2018 #126

Well unless you are yourself getting backing that is just really bad shorthand to suggest that JCanete Jun 2018 #127

There you go, they are two separate issues. One is money in politics, which has R B Garr Jun 2018 #132

well I would be very interested to know how you think the distinction should be made, because JCanete Jun 2018 #136

No, I haven't glanced over anything. I said it's divisive to call people names. Now you are R B Garr Jun 2018 #137

no, to some extent we are talking about whether or not a democratic candidate can JCanete Jun 2018 #140

You were just talking about candidates being "bought". R B Garr Jun 2018 #142

I was referring specificaly to republicans in that case. You are right as I've said, saying JCanete Jun 2018 #144

It is not valid to imply people are corrupt with no R B Garr Jun 2018 #145

what is contrived...money in politics? Money affecting who wins in races? Yes, it is very repetative JCanete Jun 2018 #146

Money in politics is a bigger issue than calling R B Garr Jun 2018 #147

Thank you for this insight GaryCnf Jun 2018 #55

Point to where I claimed what you said. I see horrible R B Garr Jun 2018 #89

Your "explanation" for her victory over the DCCC favorite GaryCnf Jun 2018 #100

Cool story! R B Garr Jun 2018 #117

Democratic socialism is much the same as social democracy. Duppers Jun 2018 #16

Yes it is. whathehell Jun 2018 #28

However, a democratic socialist is not the same as a socialist democrat. haele Jun 2018 #110

Excellent! TY! nt Duppers Jun 2018 #111

to your excellent post I will add somewhat comprehensive definitions and bit of a mini-rant Exotica Jun 2018 #114

Who says she can't connect? In 2016 she won 80.9% of the vote in the general. pnwmom Jun 2018 #19

Mahalo, pnwmom.. I just added your info to my Cha Jun 2018 #46

Five miles away from Ocasio-Cortez's primary, a long standing old guard Dem won his Squinch Jun 2018 #63

Good to know.. do you know who Cha Jun 2018 #70

He was running against 3 opponents. . . DinahMoeHum Jun 2018 #73

Mahalo, Dinah! Cha Jun 2018 #75

+1 n/t FSogol Jun 2018 #78

+1,000 InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #130

What's weird is that she did a whole segment R B Garr Jun 2018 #7

it was funny because i remembered them talking about how california had low turnout JI7 Jun 2018 #13

Exactly. They both went on and on about it. R B Garr Jun 2018 #14

this was a safe dem district so it doesn't worry me JI7 Jun 2018 #15

How did it turn out in NY-14? RandySF Jun 2018 #103

Mid terms are historically "low turnout". whathehell Jun 2018 #26

They went way beyond that on Hayes' show. She was talking specifically about R B Garr Jun 2018 #93

I saw the Hayes Show whathehell Jun 2018 #160

They were discussing it in detail. That is way beyond R B Garr Jun 2018 #161

Um, yeah, well .people tend to focus on what they want to hear whathehell Jun 2018 #162

LOL, how typical. R B Garr Jun 2018 #163

LOL, you're so far off the mark.. whathehell Jun 2018 #164

Your "she won" speaks for itself. R B Garr Jun 2018 #165

I saw that, and it wasn't "a whole segment" on low turnout whathehell Jun 2018 #27

Less than 30,000 people.showed up. Ninsianna Jun 2018 #32

she got a total of about 16 thousand votes JI7 Jun 2018 #34

She won by 3k, but this addresses the incredibly low turnout issue how? Ninsianna Jun 2018 #36

Mid terms are almost ALWAYS "incredibly low turnout" whathehell Jun 2018 #44

Everyone here also knows the strange games with the primary elections NY is playing with. Ninsianna Jul 2018 #168

Lol whathehell Jul 2018 #169

Turnout was low, at least in part, because NYS split its primaries. lapucelle Jun 2018 #95

But who turned out? Sanity Claws Jun 2018 #53

"They made a choice in one district." hmmm very interrrresssting.. YOHABLO Jun 2018 #18

Excellent melman Jun 2018 #21

Yes she is. whathehell Jun 2018 #29

Good for her duforsure Jun 2018 #33

Conor Lamb won in a former red district in PA on Cha Jun 2018 #47

K&R. Truth. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #68

When I saw her... Mike Nelson Jun 2018 #54

Really? What was incorrect? JNelson6563 Jun 2018 #56

Amazing how ratfuckers can make so much of so little. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #57

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #58

I think Nancy can decide that for herself. Cha Jun 2018 #66

How about if we stop playing into the hands of those who Squinch Jun 2018 #62

I know some of us aren't buying what that Cha Jun 2018 #67

+1. The tiresome false "Democrats in Disarray" narrative the pundit class is addicted to emulatorloo Jun 2018 #94

Pelosi is right oberliner Jun 2018 #69

i like nancy and cont to support her samnsara Jun 2018 #71

We will remain a minority party if we ran candidates like Ocasio-Cortez across the board Kaleva Jun 2018 #72

Yes, exactly. But they are a huge asset where we can be sure they will win their district. Squinch Jun 2018 #76

There's a subtle benefit to widening political discourse leftward, but also a risk lostnfound Jun 2018 #86

Ocasio-Cortez will be a great rep for her district and a great asset to the Party Kaleva Jun 2018 #88

K&R.. disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #74

I love what Osacio has done, but Nancy was right, as blunt as she was. bearsfootball516 Jun 2018 #77

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #84

Was Dick Gephart inspiring? JHan Jun 2018 #101

The establishment will be in full blown panic mode madville Jun 2018 #85

Pelosi's right, if a little undiplomatic. Orsino Jun 2018 #90

She is likely correct. Caliman73 Jun 2018 #99

We need to be cautious here...the media loves controversy. Caliman73 Jun 2018 #98

excellent point and explains my favorite line from the OP "Someone is coming off as tone deaf... populistdriven Jun 2018 #105

Both of them 'stepped in it' JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #107

The DCCC won 20 out of 22 races RandySF Jun 2018 #104

Ocasio-Cortez is being naive JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #106

Simply put, Pelosi does not understand the level of frustration with the status quo before Trump Yavin4 Jun 2018 #109

Oh I think she does. GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #150

Much ado about nothing in order to sow division. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #115

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #156

Go Alexandria Denis 11 Jun 2018 #121

Lots more, yes! Alexandria IS awesome...this is not your grandparent's Democratic Party anymore!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #131

Oops Denis 11 Jul 2018 #166

that 28 yr. bdamomma Jun 2018 #122

Pelosi is keeping calm and moving on. Tatiana Jun 2018 #128

Sorry to burst her bubble, but yes.. it was just one fallout87 Jun 2018 #135

not that we should assume it is a repeat. but DonCoquixote Jun 2018 #138

Pelosi's point was that the results in NY-14 don't have implications for the nation as a whole. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #143

Spot on DFW Jun 2018 #158

Wake up call for the D triple C. sarcasmo Jun 2018 #154

The irony is that she basically ran on identity politics while deploring identity politics. ucrdem Jun 2018 #157

She is correct. whathehell Jul 2018 #171