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Cha

(297,123 posts)
116. Is that all the votes she got?
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 04:45 PM
Jun 2018

Thanks, yallerdawg And, some in the media start threatening us!

And, Conor Lamb won in a Red District.

Here he is now..




Nate Silver had the same take as Nancy..

Nate Silver's take on Ocasio-Cortez's victory.

Looks like soon we’re wrapping up for the evening, so I’d like to reiterate one last time the not-so-hot take that primaries are extremely idiosyncratic and one ought to be cautious about global conclusions from local events. On the one hand, Ocasio-Cortez’s win was extremely impressive in New York 14 tonight against the establishment Democrat Joe Crowley; on the other hand, Chelsea Manning received only 6 percent of the vote in her challenge to establishment Democrat Ben Cardin in Maryland’s U.S. Senate primary. (Cardin won with 81 percent.)

I think pundits might do better to focus on the particular combination of attributes that Ocasio-Cortez brought to the table: young, Latina, from the community, media-savvy enough to draw a lot of coverage from lefty outlets (but not very much from mainstream outlets, which she may not have wanted anyway), ran some good ads, very openly and proudly a progressive Democratic socialist, but also running against an old white dude who, while mostly a party-line Democrat, was asleep at the wheel in a district that had undergone a lot of demographic change. And the race was maybe in an in-between zone whereas it was just competitive enough that her voters were excited and turned out, but also enough to the periphery of the radar enough that Crowley’s voters didn’t.

Which of those elements were most essential to her success? Which of those factors might be replicated elsewhere? It’s hard to say. My personal bias is to think being cut from the cloth of the district is pretty important, whereas candidates who are famous for other reasons, such as Cynthia Nixon (who hasn’t made up her deficit with Andrew Cuomo in the polls) aren’t going to resonate in the same way and won’t have the same underdog quality. But maybe the combination is pretty unique — and will be hard to replicate — given that she’s the first challenger to defeat a Democratic incumbent for the U.S. House since 2014.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/june-26-election-results/

Maybe when they think about not being able to get a legal BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #1
The memory of the horrors of back alley abortions are fading Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2018 #6
I just watched Malcom Nance on MSNBC BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #15
The second issue I hear the 20 somethings talk about is climate change Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2018 #23
That's why we lost control of Congress in 2010 calguy Jun 2018 #31
We lost control of Congress because Dems saved the economy and passed universal healthcare emulatorloo Jun 2018 #60
They were extremely concerned about deficits and "death panels"... deurbano Jun 2018 #68
They insisted Obama needed "to be taught a lesson" and stayed home EffieBlack Jun 2018 #104
President Obama was held to a higher standard than any other president has been. NYC Liberal Jun 2018 #115
Boy, ain't this the truth!!!!! tonyt53 Jul 2018 #226
And that's why we should, can and will give them reason to show up in 2018!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #128
Not really true. Dems controlled the Senate in O's first term for about... brush Jul 2018 #230
The vast majority of Americans... SergeStorms Jun 2018 #66
Amen...+millions. Nt N_E_1 for Tennis Jun 2018 #80
Pelosi & Schumer calling for civility was about the last straw for me with dem leadership. CrispyQ Jul 2018 #157
The time for playin nice is fuckin OVA!!! #StandWithMaxine InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #205
That loan debt will seem like nothing EllieBC Jun 2018 #24
Could not agree more. Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2018 #26
Maybe they should study history and not take it for granted treestar Jun 2018 #88
Which is exactly why we much maligned Skidmore Jun 2018 #134
+1 betsuni Jun 2018 #137
*This* nt brer cat Jul 2018 #145
+1000. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2018 #158
POST! OF! THE! YEAR! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #166
I'm 43 xmas74 Jul 2018 #167
Thanks and well said. riversedge Jul 2018 #181
or birth control for that matter TheRealNorth Jun 2018 #2
Agreed. Tatiana Jun 2018 #3
I'm a centrist that supported Hillary in 2016. Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2018 #8
When a candidate appeals to them, they show up; they give money; they do ground game. Tatiana Jun 2018 #21
Exactly, but all of those were cosmopolitan center-left Dems. radius777 Jun 2018 #53
RFK had the magic also Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #216
I disagree that something is brewing. Blue_true Jun 2018 #9
Exactly, she won because Trumpocalypse Jun 2018 #34
Crowley is 56, not 73. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #62
No, I got his age wrong. Sorry. nt Blue_true Jun 2018 #122
Ocasio-Cortez is a good Democrat who won a good win. She is slightly to the left of the Squinch Jul 2018 #153
So who will the millennials turn to instead? Blaukraut Jun 2018 #4
What a poorly written article oberliner Jun 2018 #5
Garbage manor321 Jun 2018 #7
Do people under 40 watch cable news in large numbers Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2018 #10
Nope. They don't. shanny Jun 2018 #16
What you say is very important The Genealogist Jun 2018 #127
I'm 38 and have cut the cord crazycatlady Jul 2018 #147
Not really. Caliman73 Jun 2018 #101
Who's watching and listening to that propaganda? Mariana Jul 2018 #148
LA Times..... time for u and every other newspaper, magazine, NoMoreRepugs Jun 2018 #11
There is an amazing array of journalists out there, but they are not getting read Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2018 #14
Agree, every damn form of communication to the masses has to kick it into high gear. Newspapers may NoMoreRepugs Jun 2018 #20
Maybe some shot-in-the-fanny millennials Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #37
Millennials are more globalist than populist, radius777 Jun 2018 #12
If you are 18-22 Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2018 #18
These kids will live in a right wing America thanks to allowing Trump to stack the courts. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #75
If you are 18-22, you aren't a millennial Recursion Jun 2018 #110
At this point, I'm not sure who is considered a Millennial Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2018 #111
Millennials "came of age" around the Millennium (hence the name) Recursion Jun 2018 #112
OK so what happened to Gen Y? Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2018 #120
Gen-Y are the Millennials. /nt radius777 Jun 2018 #126
I heard someone use this general formula GreenEyedLefty Jun 2018 #140
I stand firmly with Democratic Millennials. ✌ Wwcd Jul 2018 #190
I wasn't old enough to vote in 1996 jwhitesj Jul 2018 #221
My kid just turned 18. xmas74 Jul 2018 #168
if they elected Obama, why did they let Orange Asshole get elected? treestar Jun 2018 #89
some bought into Hillary hate radius777 Jun 2018 #125
We could raise them to care treestar Jun 2018 #141
they did not vote for him DonCoquixote Jun 2018 #130
More believable than the young people treestar Jun 2018 #142
Hillary Won.. the fucking russians and their enablers Cha Jun 2018 #13
Lol! Right on! Raastan Jun 2018 #17
Thanks, Raastan.. Cha Jun 2018 #19
Are you as sick of the threats as I am? The OR types are the only ones still threatening to..... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2018 #29
I'm way beyond sick and tired of all Cha Jun 2018 #32
The Russians, and I'd score a solid assist by James Comey Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2018 #30
And they are a part of the Democratic Party. Iliyah Jun 2018 #39
This Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #38
Gracias, Crutchez_CuiBono Cha Jun 2018 #40
+1, Article author, " ... hunh ... what Russians !?!??!" uponit7771 Jun 2018 #72
Yeah, a little grizzly detail that Cha Jun 2018 #74
16,000 votes in NYC, and THIS is our Blue Wave? yallerdawg Jun 2018 #97
Is that all the votes she got? Cha Jun 2018 #116
I just don't trust the media spin. Can you imagine why, Cha? yallerdawg Jun 2018 #118
So that was all the votes she got? Cha Jun 2018 #119
Ballotpedia. yallerdawg Jun 2018 #123
Wow.. a spit in the Ocean.. Wonderful Cha Jun 2018 #124
+1,000 happynewyear Jul 2018 #155
Well said Cha Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2018 #171
Thank You, Yo! Cha Jul 2018 #192
I work in a store with about 50 people. Eko Jun 2018 #22
Over 50 here. Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2018 #25
On second thought Eko Jun 2018 #27
White nostalgia is a very interesting term. 3catwoman3 Jul 2018 #215
"Embrace" them? What's with the threats? They can withhold their votes, but is it "Democrats" who... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2018 #28
Last time they withheld their votes in protest, we got Trump Wwcd Jul 2018 #156
Democrats need to embrace millennials(?), Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #33
THANK you! EffieBlack Jun 2018 #84
Oh yeah AwakeAtLast Jun 2018 #35
Joe was a major fake out. Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #43
Crowly did not lose to a Republican and would not have in the general. tirebiter Jun 2018 #36
the only thing elections show is politics is local. look at Conor Lamb's district. JI7 Jun 2018 #46
most Millennials expect to be wealthy in their lives. and Social Issues like Gay Rights matter JI7 Jun 2018 #41
Did any of them ever reac the Democratic platform? nini Jun 2018 #42
only the Billionaires ? how about the Millionaires ? JI7 Jun 2018 #44
as a young person myself... I laughed at this article. JHan Jun 2018 #45
Mahalo for your perspective, JHan Cha Jun 2018 #48
thanks because I really have to wonder.. JHan Jun 2018 #50
By now I expect nothing more out of Cha Jun 2018 #51
It's the season of hot takes and the false "Democrats in Disarray" narrative that the pundit class emulatorloo Jun 2018 #61
the article read like it was already planned and they needed some election, some event JI7 Jun 2018 #58
You're forgetting Gen Y vercetti2021 Jun 2018 #47
Gen Y are Millennials. aidbo Jun 2018 #92
Oh meant Gen Z nt vercetti2021 Jun 2018 #93
It is not up to the leaders. LiberalFighter Jun 2018 #49
You don't see any connection there? FiveGoodMen Jun 2018 #114
Millennials better embrace progressive democrats or get used to losing. nt miyazaki Jun 2018 #52
Why do we always feel the need to divide our party and love OP's that have that as it's purpose. wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #54
Did this person even bother to read the Democratic party platform? pnwmom Jun 2018 #55
Either they did and are ignoring the reality or Cha Jun 2018 #56
Maybe they should get "awoke" because they are the ones going to pay and pay they will. Historic NY Jun 2018 #57
In a nutshell, yes. KPN Jun 2018 #59
Pundits can start by dumping their insipid "Democrats in Disarray" narrative emulatorloo Jun 2018 #63
In a nutshell NO. Cha Jun 2018 #64
My favorite new analogy for these millennial progressives and "their effervescent energy" witholding LuvLoogie Jun 2018 #65
If I recall Cornell West was part of the DNC rules committee as part of the group to help guide the still_one Jun 2018 #70
Perhaps Noam Chomsky said it best: Progressives who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton made a 'bad Cha Jun 2018 #79
You are right Cha, they are phony progressives. No real progressive still_one Jun 2018 #85
It borders on human malpractice. LuvLoogie Jun 2018 #129
They changed from "A Better Deal" to "Change that Matters"? Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #67
Both slogans are absolutely incompetent Awsi Dooger Jun 2018 #69
Totally agree! Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #91
Bill Clinton said Make America Great Again in the 90's. R B Garr Jun 2018 #138
Why are you refering to the Democratic Party as "they" rather than "we"? N/T lapucelle Jul 2018 #154
Gee....let me guess. Why are YOU trying to start disagreements among the Dems? Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #187
Sorry, but I don't know any "Dem" voters who vote based on slogans. lapucelle Jul 2018 #210
I don't believe the OP or any of the responses claimed that. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #222
,,, lapucelle Jul 2018 #225
plain BS, if "progressive millennials" want a future, not going to happen by throwing tantrums and beachbum bob Jun 2018 #71
Gen Y is actually bigger than millenials...so consider that. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #73
They're the same thing. xmas74 Jul 2018 #170
Yep typo...GenZ Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #191
Progressive millennials need to get on board... NCTraveler Jun 2018 #76
i guess i dont cotton to being told what to do and who to support..or else..??? samnsara Jun 2018 #77
Ramp up our game?? wtf? look at the wins by dems of ALL kinds! ..sorry i dont agree with LA times.. samnsara Jun 2018 #78
And, progressive millennials can grow the fuck up and stop expecting to be "embraced" EffieBlack Jun 2018 #81
after reading the posts....guess we are doomed dembotoz Jun 2018 #82
Many of us see this as self-destructive bullshit. Adrahil Jun 2018 #83
i have seen that cut both ways dembotoz Jun 2018 #86
Give an example of where you have seen them "not allowed" in the party. Squinch Jul 2018 #159
Being talked down to during discussion, left of lists for notifications, ganged up on and made to dembotoz Jul 2018 #163
What utter bullshit. If they didn't vote or voted for whiny donnie because they felt "talked down Squinch Jul 2018 #164
Talking about good potential Dems totally turned off dembotoz Jul 2018 #165
They came, they saw, no one applauded them, they voted for trump. Squinch Jul 2018 #173
We need to work on the next generation. xmas74 Jul 2018 #176
Have trouble reading???? dembotoz Jul 2018 #177
Have trouble remembering??? You never said they voted Squinch Jul 2018 #183
no what i said is that they were treated like shit by the local party. dembotoz Jul 2018 #189
If their level of dedication is that they see what is going on Squinch Jul 2018 #194
Are you claiming new volunteers weren't welcomed? My friend complained about something bettyellen Jul 2018 #204
I know with my local party just this season xmas74 Jul 2018 #206
Do you know the best way to be treated well by xmas74 Jul 2018 #208
Spent too much of my life in sales dembotoz Jul 2018 #209
Which makes older hardworking party members what, LOL? bettyellen Jul 2018 #213
It makes us shit and unworthy xmas74 Jul 2018 #218
You just seem to shit on Dems. xmas74 Jul 2018 #217
why we lose........ dembotoz Jul 2018 #219
Think again... xmas74 Jul 2018 #220
I have dembotoz Jul 2018 #223
Try again xmas74 Jul 2018 #227
Lol hey kids get off my lawn dembotoz Jul 2018 #234
How about looking at the next generation. xmas74 Jul 2018 #237
U r completely wrong but why worry about that now dembotoz Jul 2018 #240
And you've offered nothing substantive xmas74 Jul 2018 #243
Baloney treestar Jun 2018 #87
Sorry but this is bullshit Kentonio Jul 2018 #180
Do you really think millenials are a block and we'll lose Squinch Jul 2018 #186
Hey if you keep building strawmen this quickly.. Kentonio Jul 2018 #188
Lol! I never said a word about trump. And this has nothing Squinch Jul 2018 #193
Many of the people you're insulting are the ones helping win those victories Kentonio Jul 2018 #195
We have a strong position on economics. Read the platform. What Squinch Jul 2018 #196
How about you try actually listening to them? Kentonio Jul 2018 #197
I'll take that to mean that there is no policy or position that Squinch Jul 2018 #198
Exactly the level of discussion I was expecting sadly Kentonio Jul 2018 #199
You're saying we are not fighting for what they want us to fight for. I ask what they want Squinch Jul 2018 #202
We are going to "lose" their votes treestar Jul 2018 #235
No-one is threatening to abandon the cause Kentonio Jul 2018 #239
I haven't seen anyone claim everything is perfect treestar Jul 2018 #242
What's works in NYC or California madville Jun 2018 #90
Pelosi is a "strong moderate candidate," though. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #95
Pelosi is only seen as a moderate by those to her left madville Jun 2018 #98
An area where Republicans do much better than Dems is in establishing and controlling the narrative. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #113
I can agree the slogan needs to have some punch. Maybe "Saving Democracy from Traitors." Garrett78 Jun 2018 #94
How many of them even vote? Tipperary Jun 2018 #96
Just under 50% voted in 2016 madville Jun 2018 #99
What was Boomer turnout like when they were 25? crazycatlady Jul 2018 #203
Democrats crushed the GP and Republicans when it comes to millenial votes. nt NCTraveler Jun 2018 #100
EVERY subset of the party qazplm135 Jun 2018 #102
Geezus! "Like, you better or else!" Wwcd Jun 2018 #103
My first thought too. Skidmore Jun 2018 #105
I'm blown away by their total absense of historical awarness Wwcd Jun 2018 #106
One thing I taught Skidmore Jun 2018 #107
+ a million. K n R Wwcd Jun 2018 #109
Grandpa certainly isn't going to bail them out. Mariana Jul 2018 #149
Not all grampas. Careful who you accuse. Wwcd Jul 2018 #160
That's true, not all. Just most of them. nt. Mariana Jul 2018 #161
We don't know the numbers of good grampas who remember & see the past history as a threat Wwcd Jul 2018 #162
Yes, "People need to step up instead of whining and Cha Jun 2018 #131
And progressive millenials better embrace Democrats Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2018 #108
Yes, it does.. In their Cha Jun 2018 #132
That's why millennials who call themselves Democrats, are our future Wwcd Jul 2018 #151
Millennials politically id'd as simply 'Democrats' don't seem to have the same tone of priviledge Wwcd Jul 2018 #150
In the short term, I'm not sure this is true. Also, I think they've signaled with some lip-service, JCanete Jun 2018 #117
Oh for Gods sake ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #121
Just your average ignorant, arrogant Cha Jun 2018 #133
Progressive millennials need to figure out which team they are on. honest.abe Jun 2018 #135
The only thing some Democratics are hesitant on JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #136
Alas, that's not so. Some Democrats are "hesitant" (i.e., in opposition) re other important goals. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #139
You have to appeal to yours JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #143
The question here is not Democrats versus Republicans. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #144
Wtf? Cary Jul 2018 #146
Every time I see, "Democrats better do X for 'progressives' or else," all I ever think is Squinch Jul 2018 #152
Amen. Scurrilous Jul 2018 #200
Bingo. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #224
My kid just turned 18. xmas74 Jul 2018 #169
This is very heartening. Squinch Jul 2018 #174
I think so. xmas74 Jul 2018 #175
I'm not too in touch with that generation. I know kids and old fogies Squinch Jul 2018 #178
You need to work a booth or volunteer a few days. xmas74 Jul 2018 #182
I do volunteer. I just haven't run into many. Squinch Jul 2018 #184
They're still young. xmas74 Jul 2018 #185
A person who doesn't vote or votes 3rd party can't claim to be a progressive. Kaleva Jul 2018 #172
Or we need to refocus on the upcoming block. xmas74 Jul 2018 #179
what utter bullshit Freethinker65 Jul 2018 #201
Nice bot bait! Scurrilous Jul 2018 #207
Some people seem to be going out of their way so hard to setup to divide Democrats, and push that still_one Jul 2018 #211
Democrats had better unite as many voters as possible, of all ages. n/t Orsino Jul 2018 #212
Millennials better start fighting for that shit, then Blue_Tires Jul 2018 #214
I think we need to embrace each other or were all screwed. 33taw Jul 2018 #228
Auto-trash by Keyword / Democrats better ! stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #229
Umm..sure ok. Wwcd Jul 2018 #231
All the different political factions need to unite against drumpf. democratisphere Jul 2018 #232
Who was the author? This reads like an Op-Ed and not a Times editorial. Thanks Hekate Jul 2018 #233
Per the article, Mariel Garza Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #244
There are now more millennials than baby boomers.... kentuck Jul 2018 #236
More Generation Z than Boomers xmas74 Jul 2018 #238
And DU responds... progressoid Jul 2018 #241
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