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KNR leveymg Aug 2012 #1
I know! I just had to turn off CNN when that Margaret Hoover Laurian Aug 2012 #2
Don Lemon, a CNN host went on and on about the same thing yesterday aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2012 #182
Why is now "not the right time": OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #3
Oh I don't expect to hear Obama say a peep. tjdee Aug 2012 #4
"More people currently favor gun rights than favor gun control." Gotta citation for that claim? Scuba Aug 2012 #6
Here's a link Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #7
We can protect gun rights while still having some meaningul restrictions/regulations AllyCat Aug 2012 #48
But when you're paranoid, FAILSAFE is the only option... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #61
Yeah, but all that military doesn't make me feel any safer. Medicare for All would though. Scuba Aug 2012 #64
You and your rational thinking....(nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #120
We are a nation that is scared to death because it benefits those that manufacture.... Raster Aug 2012 #192
Absolutely... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #193
There are "gun rights" and "gun abuse." We've been protecting the latter too long. Hoyt Aug 2012 #69
No purchases off the internet Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #133
I was referring to ammunition sales Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #145
How about instead of a ban we just check up on anyone that purchases a ridiculously high amount Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #188
Umm... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #189
Dragging my but to the sporting goods store Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #201
Why shouldn't you? Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #224
That's not a good enough reason. And btw, I rather doubt they appointed you as their spokesperson friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #229
My convenience is really not that important Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #241
Waaa! Waaa Waa! Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #242
Go pound sand Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #244
No you won't... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #246
Wow, it didn't take long for the "I'm a gun owner too" cloaking device to come off Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #254
Thank you for proving my point.... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #263
So what? Most (circa 80%) of gun owners don't hunt. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #272
Compromise? What are you giving up? X_Digger Aug 2012 #291
Every time rDigital Aug 2012 #286
You can't expect to have a proper rDigital Aug 2012 #285
Dragging my but to the sporting goods store tiny elvis Aug 2012 #230
7/10. A somewhat effective appeal to emotion. One question, though: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #233
rub the gun tiny elvis Aug 2012 #236
One massively stupid question... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #243
Where *did* you get your degree in telepsychology? And are you currently licensed to practice in WI? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #269
Knee jerk reactions do no one any favors. rDigital Aug 2012 #284
Here's a couple polling snapshots: OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #8
Neither this poll nor the other one cited by Jeff in Milwaukee back up your claim. Scuba Aug 2012 #24
I believe it does... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #38
Your claim is that more Americans favor gun rights over gun controls... Scuba Aug 2012 #41
Not my claim... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #55
The last two polls decisively show that "most Americans do not favor MORE gun control". OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #44
Better, thanks. Scuba Aug 2012 #49
I hate to admit it, but it makes a certain amount of sense primavera Aug 2012 #50
Violent crime is at it's lowest nationwide since the 60's. davepc Aug 2012 #60
Yet the perception remains primavera Aug 2012 #75
Violent crime is at it's lowest nationwide since the 60's. AlbertCat Aug 2012 #99
It would probably drop to pre-prohibition levels if we ended the War on Drugs. Quickly too. davepc Aug 2012 #107
Yep, I'll go along with that - n/t primavera Aug 2012 #183
"the illusion that they can protect themselves" PavePusher Aug 2012 #179
Seems to me.... AlbertCat Aug 2012 #62
Segregation, the right to vote, women's rights, etc... OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #81
Guess what else is a constitutionally protected right... AlbertCat Aug 2012 #101
Ahem,...that's a well regulated militia.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #106
Ask yourself: OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #127
Just how are you posting with your quill and ink? clffrdjk Aug 2012 #131
Just how are you posting with your quill and ink? AlbertCat Aug 2012 #164
The laws written in the 1930s and 1960s address firearm designs from the 1850's just fine. davepc Aug 2012 #174
I do not know please inform me clffrdjk Aug 2012 #177
you still haven't made a rational point? AlbertCat Aug 2012 #248
And we have another dodge. clffrdjk Aug 2012 #273
I explained it clearly AlbertCat Aug 2012 #278
A flint lock was state of the art technology back then, as is an AR15 now rl6214 Aug 2012 #226
Maybe it's time to reverse that trend like we did for views on tobacco; bank fraud; pollution; etc. Hoyt Aug 2012 #85
In addition to reversing public opinion... don't forget to repeal that one amendment in the BoR. OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #129
"Why is now "not the right time"" Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #34
That's a myth SecularMotion Aug 2012 #123
Keep saying it... maybe that'll make it true someday! LOL... OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #139
You know if you have to resort to quoting from the joyce foundation rl6214 Aug 2012 #227
It is never good to set policy while emotions are running high Mojorabbit Aug 2012 #219
Chris Christie was recently grandstanding in this very manner: LeftinOH Aug 2012 #5
What debate is there? Heller and Miller are settled law. davepc Aug 2012 #9
there is no right to manufacture guns and there is no right to purchase ammunition. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #14
You can't infringe on rights by doing end arrounds on them. davepc Aug 2012 #16
It would not be an end run on the right to bear arms Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #21
How would that wash with Miller exactly? davepc Aug 2012 #31
You are right on many things, AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #160
If I can only own a flintlock, Pacafishmate Aug 2012 #167
If "sensible regulation" means "new regulations that *I* want", you are very likely correct... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #231
"You can't infringe on rights by doing end arrounds on them" Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #39
They would have a harder time of it if reproductive rights were explicity added to the Consitution. davepc Aug 2012 #45
They don't CARE about the Constitution Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #88
Gun prohibitionists don't care about the Constitution either. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #287
De facto bans are unconstitutional. This is basic constitutional law. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #17
it would not ban your guns Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #22
At least you have given up on the "no right to buy ammo" argument. hack89 Aug 2012 #33
If ammo was scarce people wouldn't be able to plink away every weekend. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #42
Define scarce. Give me some numbers. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #47
Why? Are you a really bad shot? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #90
I am an excellent shot because I shoot a lot. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #114
Sounds like you need a woman. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #148
She's standing right next to me shooting as well. Both my kids are with me too. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #159
The family that shoots together,....shouldn't argue.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #194
Funny enough - we don't. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #196
Ever consider bowling? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #197
We do that. We also camp and hike. And geo-cache. And shoot. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #199
What,...no skydiving? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #204
What's your issue with how my family spends their time? hack89 Aug 2012 #205
Just trying to see if you can picture a life beyond guns. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #207
Guns are a very small part of my life. hack89 Aug 2012 #208
"They represent no threat to you or anyone else" Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #212
I am surprised you are able to walk out of your house in the morning hack89 Aug 2012 #213
LOL!!! I gave up fear LONG ago. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #215
I agree. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #216
Do you wear a seat belt? spin Aug 2012 #259
Given the amount of time you spend... ellisonz Aug 2012 #225
It takes two to "bicker" hack89 Aug 2012 #245
So you're not denying your gun ownership imperils my liberty? n/t ellisonz Aug 2012 #265
Nothing I do imperils your liberty. hack89 Aug 2012 #266
Strait jacket? WTF ellisonz Aug 2012 #267
When I see people so consumed by fear that they can't trust their fellow man hack89 Aug 2012 #270
I'll leave trusting Wade Michael Page and James Holmes to you... ellisonz Aug 2012 #271
But you don't limit your fear to just them hack89 Aug 2012 #274
I fear what your bizarro-land logic is doing to my society. ellisonz Aug 2012 #275
When you fear record low rates of gun violence that continue to decline hack89 Aug 2012 #276
That was several different kinds of vile bigotry and slander and sexism. PavePusher Aug 2012 #187
Just make the price of a bullet $6K. You can have as many as you want though. AllyCat Aug 2012 #51
Unconsitiutional. Minneapolis Star Tribune Company v. Commissioner davepc Aug 2012 #53
"Minneapolis Star Tribune Company v. Commissioner" Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #100
I don't understand the question. davepc Aug 2012 #108
Think Hamilton vs Burr Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #112
What does that have to do with positing an unconsitutional solution to a problem? davepc Aug 2012 #118
Sorry, I get tired of reruns Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #134
I have some shells locked up from ten years ago. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #95
good for you. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #96
Since 2008 there have been over 1 BILLION rounds of ammuntion a year sold in this country Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #137
Ya wanna know what's funny? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #146
ammunition manufacture is also regulated and that regulation can be expanded. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #52
Could you provide an example of what this sensible regulation might look like? davepc Aug 2012 #56
So what ammo regulation would have stopped any of the recent shootings? hack89 Aug 2012 #63
reply to self: no I will not provide details. The details will be cross examined for inaccuracies. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #72
There is broad support for sensible regulations. davepc Aug 2012 #79
translation: no new laws will be viewed as sensible. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #91
Your ridiculous plan would have the immediate and dramatic effect of making guns unavailable... slackmaster Aug 2012 #110
no they would continue to have access to sensible small arms. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #143
The term "sensible small arms" sounds way too much like "sensible shoes" slackmaster Aug 2012 #154
yeah its a fucking joke. I get it. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #180
"Sensible" = "what I, WS, thinks is suitable for others to own". We've seen this before: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #232
What are "small arms" to you? rl6214 Aug 2012 #228
Nothing is settled law...Citizens United proved that...SCOTUS does joeybee12 Aug 2012 #23
What Roberts court decision did the Roberts court overturn in Citizens United? davepc Aug 2012 #36
Where in our history of laws does it say that corporations have the same rights as citizens? jillan Aug 2012 #210
Bad law can be overruled--Plessy v. Ferguson, Dred Scott v. Sanford... lastlib Aug 2012 #67
A long time, if history is any guide. davepc Aug 2012 #70
Heller and Miller only "settled" that handgun bans are unconstitutional DanTex Aug 2012 #77
And none of those things would have any impact on crime, whatsoever. Pacafishmate Aug 2012 #247
"Settled" to some degree -- "Reasonable" guns in home, is about all those cases addressed. Hoyt Aug 2012 #92
In-between shootings is the time... liberalmuse Aug 2012 #10
Please, explain how the firearms in lawful hands has "trumped" any of your rights... PavePusher Aug 2012 #80
Shootings in the united states. stonecutter357 Aug 2012 #138
holmes bought guns lawful. stonecutter357 Aug 2012 #140
You have not answered my questions. PavePusher Aug 2012 #178
Two reasons -- one practical and the other philosophical aikoaiko Aug 2012 #11
yeah we need more facts. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #13
Well, maybe you don't need facts to make an argument. aikoaiko Aug 2012 #15
Maybe any facts that come your way you will just deny... joeybee12 Aug 2012 #25
Uh. I'm the one who said lets wait to see what happened in WI to determine how to deter it. aikoaiko Aug 2012 #98
And after we wait and see, you will reject any argument to increase regulation. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #109
Actaully, the NRA worked with us to reinforce the NICS system after Virginia Tech. aikoaiko Aug 2012 #149
"Why do you act like gun rights supporters are opposed to any regulation?" They're not what HE wants friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #234
x2 AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #104
It is never the time, and there are no sensible regulations. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #12
Rates of violent crime have been on a downward trend for almost 20 years now slackmaster Aug 2012 #18
Yeah, but that's because we're aborting black male fetuses... joeybee12 Aug 2012 #26
"If it saves just one life..." slackmaster Aug 2012 #30
I'm sure the folks in Aurora are orgasmic over it. lastlib Aug 2012 #89
Until you show us that the killing is getting worse, you have no argument slackmaster Aug 2012 #111
Tell the parent of a murdered child that it has to get worse before we act. lastlib Aug 2012 #217
Appeals to emotion and scorn don't make a sound argument slackmaster Aug 2012 #218
What if the parent of a murdered child disagrees with you?: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #235
he'd rate as a sociopathic douchebag in my book. lastlib Aug 2012 #280
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #281
Oh, I don't think *he's* the douchebag here: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #282
I took a screengrab of that post- it illustrates how 'liberal' gun controllers can be... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #283
Yet, the gun culture is still promoting arming up as the only way to "protect" yourself. Hoyt Aug 2012 #97
America seems to have matured a bit on this and no longer goes in for hysterical anti-gun 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #19
Yeah, maturity. Or numbness and hopelessness that anything will ever change to make us safer. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #27
Since those bans have been shown to be quite expensive but don't make us any safer 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #29
If a ban saves one life, it's worth it. But don't worry, pal. Arm yourself to the teeth. We only TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #35
It doesn't. 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #37
Proving that something DIDN'T happen is hard. That doesn't mean it didn't work in some cases. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #43
If murder rates had gone down that would be seen as conclusive proof that it worked 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #58
There's a lot of places where you can't own large wild animals, such as tigers. Most people have TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #71
I didn't realize Tiger-assaults were such a major problem in the US 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #73
Do you think people should just be allowed to own whatever dangerous item they want? TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #78
Yes, I think everyone should own a fusion bomb 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #82
Well, why shouldn't we be allowed to own tigers, bombs, etc.? TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #102
Hard to use a tiger or atomic bomb for personal defense 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #113
I think a tiger would make an excellent home defense. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #122
Really? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #125
See, now, I didn't think this was necessary: TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #128
Scalia thinks that RPGs are covered by the 2A. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #105
Finally, we can agree on something. Pacafishmate Aug 2012 #249
poe's law. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #253
Are bans your solution to drunken driving? Or drug abuse? hack89 Aug 2012 #54
we regulate cars and drugs Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #83
And we regulate guns. A lot. hack89 Aug 2012 #121
you all are busy deregulating as fast as you can. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #151
You do know that the NRA supported the strengthening of the background check after Va Tech? hack89 Aug 2012 #163
It's an item that serves no purpose other than to kill multiple people at once. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #93
What purpose does alcohol serve other than to intoxicate? hack89 Aug 2012 #126
It's a refreshing beverage that doesn't intoxicate in moderation. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #135
So why not look at the weapons that actually kill the most people hack89 Aug 2012 #142
Hand guns can be used for personal protection without having the added capacity TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #147
So how many bullets are enough for self defense? hack89 Aug 2012 #156
That's a good question, and should be open for public debate. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #168
So you want to ban most every gun in America. Good luck with that. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #169
If that's the way you want to interpret it, that's fine. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #170
Semi-automatic handguns and rifles are the norm. hack89 Aug 2012 #171
Should they be the norm? I don't give a shit about what's popular. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #176
Yes they should. hack89 Aug 2012 #184
Violent crime in general is down. Does that mean there is nothing to be addressed, when TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #190
Here is my solution to gun violence hack89 Aug 2012 #191
"use the police as a standard"? How many rounds do they own in their homes? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #172
We are talking about how many bullets their guns hold. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #173
if the only problem with guns were suicide you might have a point. nt. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #152
Alcohol contributes to drunk driving, domestic abuse, child abuse, suicide, etc hack89 Aug 2012 #166
Same with cigarettes, booze, recreational drugs, fatty foods, processed sugars, etc 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #132
Yes. And society needs to view guns like tobacco, pollution, fatty foods, confederate flags, etc. Hoyt Aug 2012 #222
Quantitatively not true. OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #68
How does it tax your freedom and hurt us economically by a gun nut not being able to TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #74
To refer to such a narrow example, you'll need to provide specifics... OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #116
You could argue that almost any dangerous item should be allowed until it is proven to cause TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #141
I mostly agree with everything you said. OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #150
In terms of owning an arsenal or stockpile of ammo, I think the chief threat there TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #162
"This is not an easily drawn line" = actually it is. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #198
"The line exists, it is easily drawn." Then draw it, O Wise One- but support your work. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #237
Since those bans have been shown to be quite expensive but don't make us any safer AlbertCat Aug 2012 #40
Analogy fail 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #46
Don't you think our resources would be better spent on things that at the very least haven't been pr AlbertCat Aug 2012 #117
The AWB couldn't be shown by even its most ardent supporters 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #119
Talk about arrogance... joeybee12 Aug 2012 #28
Spin... sibelian Aug 2012 #206
that was a big reason i quit watching the news years ago. barbtries Aug 2012 #20
Here's the thing. 99Forever Aug 2012 #32
The problem is that the gunphobes are such a small group. Pacafishmate Aug 2012 #250
What is that supposed to mean? 99Forever Aug 2012 #252
My argument is that fringe groups can't expect representation. Pacafishmate Aug 2012 #255
Ahhh yes... 99Forever Aug 2012 #257
You know what I've never gotten? Pacafishmate Aug 2012 #260
Did I say I... 99Forever Aug 2012 #261
That's the gunphobe talking point. Pacafishmate Aug 2012 #277
"There's lies, and there's damn lies, and then there's statistics." 99Forever Aug 2012 #279
Why? Too soon after the last massacre? tjwash Aug 2012 #57
re:"Now is not the time for a gun debate" allan01 Aug 2012 #59
K&R... stonecutter357 Aug 2012 #65
Translation: "We don't care if people continue to die. Be quiet." nt Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #66
Edited for accuracy: 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #76
You must be joking! DanTex Aug 2012 #87
guns and mortality: the data is not subject to debate. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #94
Do we really have to do this again? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #115
OK. Here are a few: DanTex Aug 2012 #130
Are you seriously insinuating that guns cause people to murder? Pacafishmate Aug 2012 #251
Umm... the statistics don't lie. DanTex Aug 2012 #292
Congratulations, you got three fails in just one post. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #293
I'm Fine With A Debate... liberallibral Aug 2012 #84
it's done absolutely nothing to curb gun-related violence AlbertCat Aug 2012 #124
Re: inner city gun violence. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #158
Exactly when should we discuss this? humbled_opinion Aug 2012 #86
NRA and gun culture want us to put it off another decade -- another 100 million guns to deal with. Hoyt Aug 2012 #103
The Rightists are already saying that here in our 'librul' home. nt onehandle Aug 2012 #220
And who would these "Rightists" be? Have you alerted on them? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #238
Wow, it has been a long time hfojvt Aug 2012 #136
because mass murder and anna nicole smith are equivalent issues. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #144
no, because we had a ballroom blitz about guns hfojvt Aug 2012 #165
If not now, then when? drm604 Aug 2012 #153
it's like when Jon Stewart said: 'who doesn't want to play the blame game?' samsingh Aug 2012 #155
Two days ago was the right time to talk about guns. ProgressoDem Aug 2012 #157
Now's a good time. JoeyT Aug 2012 #161
"Those aren't the guns I would have used" canEHdian Aug 2012 #175
Those RANCID. PESTILENTIAL. MORONIC. WHORES!!! and their suppurating BLABBER! How dare they!!!!!!!! patrice Aug 2012 #181
Who is this Moloch? nt rDigital Aug 2012 #288
Ancient god to whom children were sacrificed. Link: patrice Aug 2012 #294
I appreciate your reply. I thought it was something like that (evil) rDigital Aug 2012 #295
Great! movie. I've seen it a dozen times and still enjoy it every time. patrice Aug 2012 #296
You should post more often lunatica Aug 2012 #185
the nra will never allow this debate. they own too many congress critters spanone Aug 2012 #186
And that IS one of the things that DROVE this country into an ILLEGAL & IMMORAL war against Iraq ... patrice Aug 2012 #202
If we keep telling ourselves that, we are giving up power to the NRA. If enough of us stand jillan Aug 2012 #211
Nice thread bongbong Aug 2012 #195
all the lead they handle has eroded their higher brain functions. They are left largely as feeble, DainBramaged Aug 2012 #200
IMO the reason right now isn't the time to be debating gun control Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #203
If enough of us start making alot of noise, they will have to listen to us. jillan Aug 2012 #209
Cue our resident Rightists and their sockmonkeys. nt onehandle Aug 2012 #214
A battle of sockmonkeys? Ok nt hack89 Aug 2012 #221
"Rightists" = "Those that don't agree with me" friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #239
no Skittles Aug 2012 #240
The fact that you need to bring the NRA into any gun arguement is telling. Pacafishmate Aug 2012 #256
Uh huh. 99Forever Aug 2012 #258
The 2nd amendment is popular on both sides of the aisle 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #264
First of all, I hate guns, period. But the latest shootings have shown that the individuals were IndyJones Aug 2012 #223
Bingo! spin Aug 2012 #262
+1 friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #268
The $64,000 Question rDigital Aug 2012 #289
I agree. ... spin Aug 2012 #290
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