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PoindexterOglethorpe

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27. Given that surveys show that people tend to favor
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 11:46 AM
Jul 2018

the liberal/progressive stand on many issues (choice, health care, job protections, and so on) a lot of thought needs to go into figuring out why so many vote so consistently against their own self interest.

Just some of the reasons:
They are persuaded by their religious leaders that what Democrats will do to them or their children is the greater evil.
They don't really believe that Republicans will take away hard earned rights.
They think that they will magically benefit from tax cuts for corporations and the very wealthiest. A corollary to that is that they do not understand how taxes work and what they pay for.
They honestly believe that a black or woman President (especially if that woman is Hillary Clinton) is an evil far, far worse than anything any Republican could possibly do.
They don't have a clue how things like foreign trade work or how tariffs can impact their jobs. Or how free trade can impact their jobs.

Most people just muddle along, going to work, sending their kids to school, watching TV in its many forms, playing video games, never reading a book or thinking about the causes of anything. None of that is going to change in our lifetimes. Indeed, it will only get worse.

A personal note here: I'm staying with my sister, and three of her grandchildren (ages 9, 5, and 2) stay here during the day (parents not married to each other, but share custody. Mom works day job, Dad, her son, works evening shift) and the kids do NOTHING all day long but watch TV. The father is completely unengaged, never talks to them, never takes them out for a work or to the nearby public swimming pool, never initiates a board game, nothing at all. Ninety percent of the time he's simply in his room. If he's down in the living room with them he's got his eyes on his cell phone and barely monitors squabbles. I'm appalled, but it's not my place to say anything. The kids would be vastly better off in a decent day care or in a camp program now that it's summer, but nope. I realize money would be an issue here. Meanwhile, the kids are learning absolutely nothing new and are forgetting whatever they might have learned this past school year. They are reasonably bright kids whose potential is simply not being developed because they're allowed to do nothing at all, all day long. And they're probably a pretty common example of how too many kids are growing up these days.

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I think you're spot on. NT SWBTATTReg Jul 2018 #1
I sort of agree, but the key line is "Democracy will bail us out" el_bryanto Jul 2018 #2
That is, in fact, their plan RandomAccess Jul 2018 #40
The pendulum will swing.... spanone Jul 2018 #3
"Democracy" got us here in the first place. Rustynaerduwell Jul 2018 #4
That's a defeatist attitude louis c Jul 2018 #7
Pointing out Gerrymandering PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2018 #24
Gerrymandering doesn't mean shit if you win the generic by 16 points louis c Jul 2018 #26
Help me out here. Where has someone won a PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2018 #28
Let me give you a little PolySci class louis c Jul 2018 #33
But people won't be voting a generic ballot come November. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2018 #38
I'm sorry you don't understand louis c Jul 2018 #39
I do understand the generic ballot poll. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2018 #41
Re-Read your post 28 and tell me you understand the generic ballot louis c Jul 2018 #42
Democrats lost '80, '84 & '88 Pres elections by wide margins. Since then, they've won. 7962 Jul 2018 #21
I didn't say More Americans voted for the Democratic Presidential candidate, Rustynaerduwell Jul 2018 #30
Right. When you said "national", just presidential came to mind. 7962 Jul 2018 #35
...Which is why we need to get rid of the electoral callege...n/t GetRidOfThem Jul 2018 #25
BIG barrier to this future: GOP blocks on voting supported by SCOTUS!! bobbieinok Jul 2018 #5
We will have so many votes, it can't be stopped louis c Jul 2018 #6
A hopeful read on the current situation... Wounded Bear Jul 2018 #8
I think you are correct and with the pre-existing conditions suit which GOP's don't want either... Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #9
+1. Overreach keyword. But must guard integrity of democracy: secure vote, X suppress, X gerrymander Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #10
Your last statement sums it up well.... paleotn Jul 2018 #11
The fear of economic collapse was an important part of 2008 GE (NY) louis c Jul 2018 #19
That certainly didn't hurt Obama's chances... paleotn Jul 2018 #37
I'm not as concerned about average Republicans. Lonestarblue Jul 2018 #12
Sadly I'm not so sure keepFocused06 Jul 2018 #13
This is a bright and hopeful version of the future bronxiteforever Jul 2018 #14
I hope to God you're right nt Mountain Mule Jul 2018 #15
If they get to vote TrogL Jul 2018 #16
Yup. GOP/conservative overreach. It's in their DNA. oasis Jul 2018 #17
Only if we can overcome the Bogeyman label bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #18
In other words - it'll get a lot worse before it gets better. Great! n/t SpankMe Jul 2018 #20
I'm afraid so. louis c Jul 2018 #22
For every legal roadblock, there are workarounds if people work together jmbar2 Jul 2018 #23
Given that surveys show that people tend to favor PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2018 #27
You really hit it with that last paragraph. 7962 Jul 2018 #36
DC Repubs are governing as if this their final chance to remake America in their image. LonePirate Jul 2018 #29
Yes and with anger should come retribution. Impeach Roberts and Gorsuch, no respect for precedent. Pepsidog Jul 2018 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Pepsidog Jul 2018 #32
If the San Diego court's ruling to return children in 30 days is ignored, we'll see what teeth the ancianita Jul 2018 #34
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