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TomVilmer

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53. You are?

Fri Jul 6, 2018, 03:40 PM

Jul 2018

Then read what I wrote.

I enjoy the civility of people like Michelle Obama and Elizabeth Warren, since they can stay on that level and fight bravely at the same time. Pacifism has never been Passivism. It is actively working for a better society in ways, that at the same time shows what a world we would like to have and live in. It is doing it in ways we can easily defend, making (my) children and grandmothers proud of how we do the fight.

Trying to understand our opponents, and addressing them in ways they might understand. Talking nicely to people shouting, never ever stopping the fight to make changes. I have been doing my activism in nearly 50 years, are still active on a daily basis, and can look back at defeats, but also many victories.

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Democrats: Quit listening to "civility" scolds and concern trolls: This is an emergency [View all] DonViejo Jul 2018 OP

Amen! Garrett78 Jul 2018 #1

I agree.. it doesn't make any sense! Not Cha Jul 2018 #2

This administration is not acceptable NY_20th Jul 2018 #3

I believe that some in our Party's leadership wistfully long for the good ol' days... Raster Jul 2018 #4

Those who insist on playing nice when this much is at stake deserve to go home. Boomerproud Jul 2018 #32

The "can't you be civil" card is now out of play. forgotmylogin Jul 2018 #47

K + R Raastan Jul 2018 #5

Yup! gratuitous Jul 2018 #6

Civility gets us what? Historic NY Jul 2018 #7

Fuck civility. !!!!!!!!! SamKnause Jul 2018 #8

Could not agree with her more! Pacifist Patriot Jul 2018 #9

The "this makes DU look bad" contingent have been relegated to ignore. LanternWaste Jul 2018 #10

I agree with Marcotte, except for the "emergency" thing. Caliman73 Jul 2018 #11

Punch back Liberalhammer Jul 2018 #12

Surprisingly this works! DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #16

It's the only thing that works to neutralize bullies. It's the only thing they respect. In fact, KPN Jul 2018 #22

Those of you into Star Trek Discovery know about the Vulcan Hello... backscatter712 Jul 2018 #64

When they go low, that's when you kick them in the teeth. Salviati Jul 2018 #30

Or the ass. lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #44

I think that a good cop/bad cop strategy works the best. ehrnst Jul 2018 #13

That is possible. However, they need to avoid actively interfering with each other. Caliman73 Jul 2018 #23

Corey Booker is criticizing Maxine's take on approaching politicians in restaurants ehrnst Jul 2018 #24

I had not known that about Booker. Caliman73 Jul 2018 #28

I think that's exactly what they are doing. ehrnst Jul 2018 #34

Schumer said that what Waters called for is "unAmerican" Caliman73 Jul 2018 #41

We are on the same page, really. ehrnst Jul 2018 #42

Well.. not Bernie Caliman73 Jul 2018 #45

... ehrnst Jul 2018 #62

I agree, as long as part of that isn't attacking others with concern trolling. kcr Jul 2018 #40

I don't think that Booker and Bernie are helping DT when they talk the ehrnst Jul 2018 #43

I wasn't talking about Booker or Bernie kcr Jul 2018 #46

So who were you talking about? When did they make ehrnst Jul 2018 #52

Crickets... ehrnst Jul 2018 #63

The MLK Jr./Malcom X strategy. backscatter712 Jul 2018 #59

Name-calling and fake arguments are just lazy work TomVilmer Jul 2018 #14

I disagree with every premise you put forth Moostache Jul 2018 #19

"Pretending this is a civil disagreement is what led to the status quo." SunSeeker Jul 2018 #21

When it became necessary for you to destroy civility to save the civilization... TomVilmer Jul 2018 #31

So what is your solution? Seriously, I'm interested. catbyte Jul 2018 #50

You are? TomVilmer Jul 2018 #53

Under normal circumstances I'd agree with you 100%, but these are not normal times. catbyte Jul 2018 #68

Do you remember the Soviet Union? TomVilmer Jul 2018 #69

And so tell me, what is your definition of "status quo" ehrnst Jul 2018 #27

THIS KPN Jul 2018 #35

"...leave the smear campaigns with little substance and butchered facts to the Republicans"??? KPN Jul 2018 #33

"They go low, we go high" doesn't work. backscatter712 Jul 2018 #60

I think Rep Waters has the correct idea. EricJohnson Jul 2018 #15

Avenatti, too DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #17

I agree. EricJohnson Jul 2018 #18

I also agree with the above. Butterflylady Jul 2018 #29

Ditto. KPN Jul 2018 #36

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2018 #20

Give 'em he'll, Harry! world wide wally Jul 2018 #25

they never gave us with kerry. endless hearings with bill. endless hearings with hillary, AllaN01Bear Jul 2018 #26

K&R. Spot on! KPN Jul 2018 #37

There is a line in the movie Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2018 #38

We don't need to play nice. We are nice. vlyons Jul 2018 #39

This is how I feel about so-called "civility": catbyte Jul 2018 #48

+++ 110% this. Apathetic vs not toleranting intolerance ....hmmm lunasun Jul 2018 #51

PREACH IT! backscatter712 Jul 2018 #61

They got their wish - political correctness is going out the window eleny Jul 2018 #49

Many "concern trolls" tried to warn us about the possible 2016 outcome... MadDAsHell Jul 2018 #54

This is why I'm off listening to most political and talk shows. They are missing the forest for the wiggs Jul 2018 #55

FFS just vote Democratic in November 2018. Which part of that statement is too difficult to still_one Jul 2018 #56

We're in the fight for our lives! Lunabell Jul 2018 #57

A-fucking-men. We've had causis belli against the fascist right for 30 years now. backscatter712 Jul 2018 #58

Joy Reid interviews Melanie Campbell, chair of Sisters Lead, Sisters Vote Gothmog Jul 2018 #65

He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster - Nietzshe dustyscamp Jul 2018 #66

This is EXACTLY right. american_ideals Jul 2018 #67