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Sophia4

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134. It is our job to inform the ill-informed.

Sat Jul 7, 2018, 01:32 PM

Jul 2018

That is what a political party is about.

Just whining, criticizing and hating won't get us anywhere. We have to be able to explain and persuade those who disagree or criticize us to understand us, to join us and to work with us to improve our country.

My dad used to say that when someone is very critical of someone else in a mean way and points to the fault in someone else, that is probably the very fault the person doing the pointing has him/herself.

And it is true. Trump is a prime example of someone who sees in others the faults he has in himself.

We are better than that. We can look our own faults in the eye and try to improve ourselves. Self-criticism is a tool for improvement. Criticism of others is only useful because it points to things in ourselves that we need to improve.

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Protest all you like, Susan Sarandon. In effect you work for Trump [View all] Cha Jul 2018 OP

Fugg Susie. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #1

Thanks, she! I know I tried so hard to Cha Jul 2018 #2

You rock Cha! redstateblues Jul 2018 #102

You! redstateblues.. I found the illustration in a tweet! Cha Jul 2018 #110

And her horse and her colts. WhiteTara Jul 2018 #27

I found the Illustration on a Tweet, she.. Cha Jul 2018 #98

Excellent Cha! sheshe2 Jul 2018 #99

She gave us trump Gothmog Jul 2018 #105

She DID work for Trump. If she has changed, I'll welcome her. american_ideals Jul 2018 #3

No, SS hasn't apologized.. in fact she's doubled Cha Jul 2018 #4

No she has not apologized and she will never admit that she was wrong Gothmog Jul 2018 #106

I wouldn't...she pulled this same shit with Nader...she is out. Also, she doesn't feel bad at all... Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #126

I've moved on. Hating on Sarandon doesn't help us win in 2018 or 2020. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #5

Precisely. We cannot change the past, but we can work with everyone to win the Sophia4 Jul 2018 #11

Yes, we're working to make sure Stein and Sarandon's LIES Cha Jul 2018 #24

Constantly insulting a segment of potential voters for our side is not helpful. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #37

SS is the RFing INSULTER.. People are Rightly PISSED Cha Jul 2018 #42

Obsessed is an understatement.. disillusioned73 Jul 2018 #86

Too bad for those who can't admit all Cha Jul 2018 #96

we better be obsessed heaven05 Jul 2018 #166

You need to be schoolin the people on this thread... ehrnst Jul 2018 #95

Sarandon is not our friend and she is working to help Trump and the GOP Gothmog Jul 2018 #107

SARANDON'S et al; heaven05 Jul 2018 #165

Those who supported Stein and were influenced by Sarandon...can fuck off...they took their Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #168

I still remember Sarandon daring to attack Delores Huerta Gothmog Jul 2018 #188

Agree Raine Jul 2018 #13

This is a Good Call Out on SS from Across the Pond.. Cha Jul 2018 #23

But that is in the past. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #39

NOPE.. it's right now.. sarandon keeps sticking her fucking Cha Jul 2018 #43

Sarandon is involving herself in elections here in 2018. That is not the past. George II Jul 2018 #59

The best policy is to listen and watch long enough to learn from it and then to think Sophia4 Jul 2018 #61

I listened and learned from it in 2016. Obviously she never learned from it, she's still spouting. George II Jul 2018 #70

If she is not fully on our side and she is a liberal, then her failure to be on our side Sophia4 Jul 2018 #74

Sarandon's idiocy is "our failure"? Hell no it isn't. She is not an ally, she is not a friend... Hekate Jul 2018 #77

no, she is not a progressive. if you think Clinton is worse than Trump you are not a fucking JI7 Jul 2018 #111

No. Just, no. herding cats Jul 2018 #120

Total BS Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #154

BS heaven05 Jul 2018 #167

Are You kidding? Gothmog Jul 2018 #176

Learn from what? mcar Jul 2018 #71

Learn how to create a campaign that persuades them to vote with you. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #73

You really think we need to persuade "progressives" to vote Democratic? mcar Jul 2018 #76

We should do both. We need all their votes. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #84

they are not progressives. they want republicans to win JI7 Jul 2018 #113

You know what? HILLARY WON. By the numbers, Americans preferred her message over Trump's... Hekate Jul 2018 #81

You are on the right track. The real problem is protecting the votes we get. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #83

Excellent post, Hekate. Structural and procedural Hortensis Jul 2018 #88

This! mcar Jul 2018 #90

It amazes me how very very very concerned some people are that "HRC just didn't have a message" Hekate Jul 2018 #93

These same people are now very very concerned mcar Jul 2018 #94

I am in 100% agreement with your post. oasis Jul 2018 #114

+++ so true, ESPECIALLY heaven05 Jul 2018 #170

You mean like what Rove did with Nader? Gothmog Jul 2018 #108

We need a constitutional amendment that ends corporate donations to political campaigns. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #135

Or we could have ignored Sarandon and Stein and voted for a candidate who supported finance reform Gothmog Jul 2018 #137

Great platform plank, and it got very little attention compared to Trump's cacophony. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #141

Clinton lost due to Comey, trump, Russia and a number of issues Gothmog Jul 2018 #144

From my twitter feed Gothmog Jul 2018 #178

if one needs to be persuaded to vote for Clinton over Trump they are NOT progressive JI7 Jul 2018 #112

Why don't you also join in with the self-critiquing. R B Garr Jul 2018 #122

+1 betsuni Jul 2018 #123

+2 Hekate Jul 2018 #174

No they need to learn that voting is a responsibility Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #155

Very good. I agree, so how do you think we can teach that to voters? Sophia4 Jul 2018 #156

They are unteachable Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #162

It would be helpful if you could share what you learned R B Garr Jul 2018 #117

You follow history so as not to repeat the mistakes of the past...those two are responsible for Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #169

And we need to focus also on what went wrong. xmas74 Jul 2018 #190

So, she is predictable. She doesn't help Democrats. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #192

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it Gothmog Jul 2018 #194

Seems to me the rather negative lesson has been learned. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #205

But she's still defended, even here. xmas74 Jul 2018 #198

Agree-We have lost the 2000 and the 2016 elections due to Sarandon Gothmog Jul 2018 #200

I don't understand posters who want us xmas74 Jul 2018 #203

Hi there Raine Jul 2018 #92

+1 chwaliszewski Jul 2018 #15

Sarandon is a divisive, polarizing figure, who brings NOTHING to the table except how to LOSE!!! still_one Jul 2018 #16

+1 betsuni Jul 2018 #17

+1 nt brer cat Jul 2018 #21

Well Fuck You, Susan Sarandon.. Just FUCK you.. Cha Jul 2018 #26

+++ sheshe2 Jul 2018 #51

Amen! NurseJackie Jul 2018 #159

Big Deal.. It's Sarandon's LIES that helped trump win Cha Jul 2018 #22

How dare you be reasonable and forward-thinking? vi5 Jul 2018 #30

We need to make sure that this doesn't keep happening. yardwork Jul 2018 #50

Well said, yardwork. Cha Jul 2018 #79

Thank you, Cha! yardwork Jul 2018 #85

+1 AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #63

No she doesn't support Democrats...I despise her. She encouraged people not to vote Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #127

She supported and supports Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #132

Actually that is not a good thing in my opinion. I concluded that Ms. Cortez couldn't pick her Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #147

No it doesn't. Snackshack Jul 2018 #151

It's a well written article from Marina Hyde Cha Jul 2018 #161

Sarandon Supports Democrats? Jill Stein is a Democrat? TomCADem Jul 2018 #208

THanks for bringing this over, Cha, spot on! lunamagica Jul 2018 #6

Gracias to you, Luna! Cha Jul 2018 #9

I saw this article and loved it Gothmog Jul 2018 #109

Susan's whole approach to life BlueMTexpat Jul 2018 #7

sarandon does have a history of self-indulgence Cha Jul 2018 #12

Mahalo, Cha! BlueMTexpat Jul 2018 #124

"As for Susan's service, if only there had been some kind of learning curve for her..." betsuni Jul 2018 #8

The weed quote was perfect in answer to this quote of Sarandon's before the election.. Cha Jul 2018 #14

We need the votes of Jill Stein supporters just as we need some votes of Bernie supporters Sophia4 Jul 2018 #40

Then Fucking Jill Stein can stop telling her LIES in 2020. Cha Jul 2018 #45

Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon criticize the Democratic Party. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #48

Yeah yeah yeah.. you're NOT going to shut down Cha Jul 2018 #52

I'm hoping to encourage harmony and focus on winning, not on the losing of 2016. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #60

"The anger is pointless"? Jesus. If you are not angry at the caging of little kids & the deliberate Hekate Jul 2018 #89

Third party candidates certainly are not successful. Jill Stein R B Garr Jul 2018 #118

"Democrats are as bad as Republicans" mcar Jul 2018 #78

I learn from those statements that we, Democrats, need to make a bigger effort to Sophia4 Jul 2018 #130

I learn from those statements that anyone who thinks there's no difference between the 2 parties mcar Jul 2018 #133

It is our job to inform the ill-informed. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #134

Yet I remember the exact opposite in some of your earlier R B Garr Jul 2018 #138

What can I learn from this criticism...hmm. Stein is a Russian fucking spy and sat at Putin's table Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #128

Well said! mcar Jul 2018 #136

Thanks Mcar! Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #146

This is all a trivialized smokescreen. This is not what happened, R B Garr Jul 2018 #173

Democrats had to give Jill Stein voters a reason to vote for her. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #131

Stein FUCKING LIED TO GET HER VOTES.. DEMS TELL Cha Jul 2018 #140

Maybe you could critique the results of actively working against R B Garr Jul 2018 #143

I agree, but let's reserve our energies for the bigger fight BlueSea Jul 2018 #10

The problem is that Sarandon doesn't see the problem. ucrdem Jul 2018 #18

I hear you, BlueSea.. but multi-tasking is what I do.. Cha Jul 2018 #20

No, let's not...she has done this before...she can get arrested 100 times it won't matter....she Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #129

A reminder that the woman in this photo is Dr. Jill Stein Recursion Jul 2018 #19

I'll never forget it, Recursion, but Cha Jul 2018 #31

Every damn time I see that mind-shattering photo... VOX Jul 2018 #41

stein swears(lies) it was all very innocent.. Cha Jul 2018 #186

Stein was a tool of the Russians and Putin Gothmog Jul 2018 #183

Sarandon's big promotion of Ralph Nader in 2000, gave Bush a boost oasis Jul 2018 #25

Thanks, oasis.. I ran across this article in a favorite Cha Jul 2018 #32

Maybe SS can donate some of her used cashmere lapucelle Jul 2018 #28

Yes fat cat SS sits on her Millions while Cha Jul 2018 #35

"I'm therefore very happy to endorse Jill Stein for the presidency Hortensis Jul 2018 #29

I hope not as many will Cha Jul 2018 #38

I just wonder who IS vulnerable to her lies Hortensis Jul 2018 #44

KR Me. Jul 2018 #33

Mahalo, Me. Cha Jul 2018 #46

Anytime Me. Jul 2018 #54

Was she still yelling at D Huerta while she got arrested? mcar Jul 2018 #34

SS is soused in the Cha Jul 2018 #55

It's all show for her mcar Jul 2018 #56

K&R UTUSN Jul 2018 #36

Of course, back before the election GaryCnf Jul 2018 #47

KnR Hekate Jul 2018 #49

Isn't that her voice on the Bayer/ Monsanto ads? MattP Jul 2018 #53

And voted "green"? She is a hypocrite. Jakes Progress Jul 2018 #115

From here on, ANYONE standing next to SS, smiling in approval, is suspect. Wwcd Jul 2018 #57

Oh that's too subtle melman Jul 2018 #58

I agree. Sure, 2016 is in the past, but this is 2018 and she hasn't gone away. George II Jul 2018 #62

Yay it's unanimous.. 2016 is Cha Jul 2018 #66

Yeah, SS is persona non grata with Cha Jul 2018 #64

Agreed. Actions have consequences and Sarandon has R B Garr Jul 2018 #65

Thank You for pointing that out, RB.. Cha Jul 2018 #68

As said. This is real life and she's hurt many people Hortensis Jul 2018 #91

Thanks for this thread, Cha! R B Garr Jul 2018 #67

GREAT article, absolutely on point NastyRiffraff Jul 2018 #69

Exactly on Point.. I like the way Marina Cha Jul 2018 #72

Here's an interesting quote, from 8 months ago: George II Jul 2018 #75

Ah.. funny you should find that one.. Cha Jul 2018 #82

She's a deplorable idiot causing harm with her idiocy Hav Jul 2018 #80

Sarandon is all about Sarandon. Cha Jul 2018 #97

I'm here for this. JHan Jul 2018 #87

Yes, it is a brilliant piece, JHan.. Cha Jul 2018 #101

Yup. There is no redemption for her shit. ismnotwasm Jul 2018 #100

SS and stein have no remorse that Cha Jul 2018 #116

I've never liked being the "party of Hollywood" and this is why. MadDAsHell Jul 2018 #103

No, I won't broadbrush this way, MDAH Cha Jul 2018 #121

From the article cited in the OP Gothmog Jul 2018 #104

K&R Scurrilous Jul 2018 #119

Mahalo, Scurrilous! Cha Jul 2018 #139

... Scurrilous Jul 2018 #142

.. Cha Jul 2018 #145

Reminds me of this from the novel, "The Secret History": betsuni Jul 2018 #125

The voters who listened to Sarandon or Stein should be feeling very happy now Gothmog Jul 2018 #148

Thank You for that timely 'toon, Goth! Cha Jul 2018 #149

That cartoon really fits this thread Gothmog Jul 2018 #152

stein voters are in Deep Denial if they're Cha Jul 2018 #157

P.S. "I was right about Cenk and Sirota" Cha Jul 2018 #158

I stopped watching TYT and Cenk a long time ago Gothmog Jul 2018 #182

First of all.. RatFucker cenk was/is a Cha Jul 2018 #184

Agreed Gothmog Jul 2018 #185

Bazinga! George II Jul 2018 #150

i am SO glad i do not need tylenol anymore. sinus headache- snortsome pepper + SNEEZE. pansypoo53219 Jul 2018 #153

Did SS hawk tylenol? I haven't Cha Jul 2018 #172

I get the generic mcar Jul 2018 #179

theguardian says Sarandon's a "MAGA asset". They're being nice. oasis Jul 2018 #160

this!!!!!! heaven05 Jul 2018 #163

Thank you, Heaven.. yeah, DU isn't that Cha Jul 2018 #164

That doesn't make any sense. When she is out there protesting Trump policies she is certainly not JCanete Jul 2018 #171

She's protesting policies she helped put into place mcar Jul 2018 #180

Okay, so say anything you want to because you don't like her and you believe her actions helped to JCanete Jul 2018 #181

Thanks, mcar.. yeah, SS is out there Protesting Cha Jul 2018 #196

Sarandon is the reason why trump is POTUS and get to tell her we told her so Gothmog Jul 2018 #187

to be fair, she thought that Trump would energize people in opposition to bad government and JCanete Jul 2018 #189

She also sad something similar after she help Nader elect Bush Gothmog Jul 2018 #191

Perfect of Example of how Stupidly Brainwashed SS is. Cha Jul 2018 #201

Just kidding, she doesn't care Gothmog Jul 2018 #212

K&R Jamaal510 Jul 2018 #175

The voice of a trump supporter Gothmog Jul 2018 #177

This is another perfect example of Feckless SS' Cha Jul 2018 #204

I think it's possible to love Susan, Deb Wasserman Schultz, and Dolores Huerta, all at the same time Mc Mike Jul 2018 #193

Yeah, "love" someone who LIED her damn head OFF to RF the 2016 election Cha Jul 2018 #195

I like your take politically, too, for the most part. Mc Mike Jul 2018 #197

SS is a delusional RF and I'm glad so many People Cha Jul 2018 #199

+1 I wonder how Sarandon sleeps at night knowing those kids are in cages Lady_Chat Jul 2018 #206

Mahalo, Lady_Chat.. stein and sarandon have their cozy Cha Jul 2018 #207

Sarandon and Stein must be really pleased with this Gothmog Jul 2018 #202

And this.. even though, she was FAKE protesting.. Cha Jul 2018 #214

As toxic virus spreads to Supreme Court, investigators inch closer to identifying Patient 0. Gothmog Jul 2018 #209

Shame on Stein & Sarandon's Vacuous LIES. Cha Jul 2018 #210

Agreed Gothmog Jul 2018 #211

SS was projecting when she accused Debra Cha Jul 2018 #213