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Hassin Bin Sober

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33. The Constitution specifically prohibits the establishment of any religion.

Mon Jul 9, 2018, 10:39 AM

Jul 2018

The Constitution doesn’t specifically prohibit the establishment of any secular non-profit.

The Free Exercise Clause isn’t violated because the government isn’t prohibiting people from private worship.

I’ve never heard this argument that the constitution says treat secular governmental acts exactly the same as non-secular governmental acts. I guess Alabama can now set up a Christian department of motor vehicles. Don’t give them any ideas. Coming soon, I guess, with the new Trump court.

Displaying another country’s flag that happens to contain religious symbolism is a secular act as long as any specific flag is not chosen BECAUSE OF its religious symbolism.

Your extreme example of denial of government services based on religious grounds is just that, and extreme example. Denial of secular governmental services would be religious discrimination in the extreme and would run afoul of the free exercise clause.

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Christian group has sued the city of Boston [View all] left-of-center2012 Jul 2018 OP

Honestly .... Ohiogal Jul 2018 #1

It could be that they feel they have a scotus that see's things their way Fullduplexxx Jul 2018 #12

You could be right. bitterross Jul 2018 #14

Yep. They probably want to champion their case to the SCOTUS to make a name for themselves. TheBlackAdder Jul 2018 #15

The part about separation of church and state. Iggo Jul 2018 #22

They probably believe there is no such thing. Mariana Jul 2018 #57

More Talibangelical Dominionism... Wounded Bear Jul 2018 #2

Warped-minded fucks. Solly Mack Jul 2018 #3

KKK Grand Wizard Chris Johnson showing off the same "Christian" flag: dalton99a Jul 2018 #4

I took one look at that flag and thought "looks kkk" Merlot Jul 2018 #13

This will be dismissed as soon as the judge reads it Takket Jul 2018 #5

The goal of the group is to get it to the Supreme Court and hope the rightwing court Blue_true Jul 2018 #7

Oh, FFS! Not this shit again! smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #6

I wonder how that group would react if a Muslim group demanded to fly a flag? nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #8

They would have a fit. Archae Jul 2018 #9

They would completely lose their shit. smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #10

If this shit goes through, I'll buy them the flag for them to hoist up there. TheBlackAdder Jul 2018 #16

I agree. If Courts rule that a Christian organization's flag can be flown on public land, Blue_true Jul 2018 #20

Good question ck4829 Jul 2018 #25

Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. lpbk2713 Jul 2018 #11

Motion for dismissal: Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the Constitution. no_hypocrisy Jul 2018 #17

Those people are un-American and just plain idiots. rockfordfile Jul 2018 #18

Separation of church and state . . . duh. Good luck Bible thumpers. Vinca Jul 2018 #19

It's not as clear-cut as everyone here seems to think. Jim Lane Jul 2018 #21

I suspect all your points have been litigated left-of-center2012 Jul 2018 #23

Flags mindem Jul 2018 #27

The Constitution specifically prohibits the establishment of any religion. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2018 #33

Calling it "extreme" doesn't answer the question Jim Lane Jul 2018 #40

Extreme as in no doubt unreasonable. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2018 #42

You admit haven't done any research. kcr Jul 2018 #39

You've grossly misread my post. Jim Lane Jul 2018 #41

Nope. I've got the read of you. You haven't done any research. kcr Jul 2018 #45

Research update Jim Lane Jul 2018 #46

I asked them that question. yewberry Jul 2018 #55

If there were no prior incidents then the City official's explanation was terrible Jim Lane Jul 2018 #56

For a second, I read the title and thought it would be something to do with poverty. But I am ck4829 Jul 2018 #24

Flag pamdb Jul 2018 #26

From wiki: Lars39 Jul 2018 #28

What the heck is "The Federal Council of Churches???" nt LAS14 Jul 2018 #35

Never heard of it before either. Lars39 Jul 2018 #36

Jesus always emphasized how important flying the Christian flag was... milestogo Jul 2018 #29

Carried protest signs written in English. lpbk2713 Jul 2018 #32

Yeah. We gotta keep reminding ourselves!!!! (sarcasm....) nt LAS14 Jul 2018 #37

I am so sick of all these religious fucks. SamKnause Jul 2018 #30

Extending the multitude of school cases, the Christian group is correct Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #31

I agree with you that it would depend on facts we don't have. Jim Lane Jul 2018 #43

What if they demand it be on the American Flag's staff? moriah Jul 2018 #44

Boston doesn't have to make them happy, Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #47

Hmmm. Ya know, that might make it worth it to let them fly it, if.... moriah Jul 2018 #49

But you're not addressing constitutional issues - you're addressing issues of faith. Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #53

As I said, I'm okay with them desecrating their own flag. moriah Jul 2018 #54

If this doesn't get thrown out as frivolous, what's the meaning of the term??? LAS14 Jul 2018 #34

Are you aware that a public school that opens its doors to community activities Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #48

Should be frivolous because there are no Christian flags in the Christian bible standingtall Jul 2018 #50

You know that is totally irrelevant in a First Amendment case, right? Ms. Toad Jul 2018 #52

If the court rules in their favor, I hope City Hall takes removes the flag pole altogether Blaukraut Jul 2018 #38

So they are setting this for their christofascist supreme court ruling kimbutgar Jul 2018 #51

It reminds me a wee bit of the "Stainless Banner". area51 Jul 2018 #58