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125. Not so fast. It was a perfect storm of all of them.

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 10:30 AM

Jul 2018

Without the Surandon/Stein third-partiers during voting their supreme egoism; without the trump campaign conspiring with Putin and his bots; without Cambridge Analytica and a willing Facebook; without Interstate Crosscheck and repug vote suppression and hacking; without months and months during the campaign of Democratic party bashing by a certain someone; and without Comey—if any of those assholes hadn't done their part trump wouldn't have "won", in fact, I still highly doubt he did win as Hillary actually got some 3m more votes.

Looking back on it, does anyone really believe that the supposed margin of victory, some 70k votes in three previously Democratic states, actually occurred with no tampering whatsoever?

As I said, it was a perfect fucking storm and if any of the above factors, including Surandon/Stein, hadn't happened we wouldn't be on the precipice of trump-induced fascism and white supremacy with a trump-controlled Supreme Court to clear him of anything Mueller unearths.

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This night goes out to Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon and others who warned us about Hillary [View all] RandySF Jul 2018 OP

I will always rec threads like these... JHan Jul 2018 #1

And I will grind this axe until the day I die RandySF Jul 2018 #4

Yup MFM008 Jul 2018 #9

And, I will Grind that MF AXE Cha Jul 2018 #25

She's got her money and her fame - what does she care Bradshaw3 Jul 2018 #49

Until they capitulate and realize and admit their mistake and stop doing it. nt stevenleser Jul 2018 #36

+1, I've yet to see one returnee reflect on her intentional R B Garr Jul 2018 #47

Absolutely! This is the real life gift they have handed R B Garr Jul 2018 #44

I've beaten that horse into a puddle of goo a xmas74 Jul 2018 #56

You also need to add the poor or StarzGuy Jul 2018 #134

Absolutely xmas74 Jul 2018 #150

Still amazed that Sarandon and Stein still have defenders here... NurseJackie Jul 2018 #113

Yes! betsuni Jul 2018 #115

I am also surprised Gothmog Jul 2018 #118

I'm with you JustAnotherGen Jul 2018 #126

Too damn bad if they don't like anti-Sarandon and anti-Stein threads. calimary Jul 2018 #131

Hell, I still think anyone who voted for Nader is a Piece of crap. The Mouth Jul 2018 #140

I'm right there with you on that, too. calimary Jul 2018 #154

Good to know you think I'm excrement AllyCat Jul 2018 #172

Bullshit The Mouth Jul 2018 #173

In Wisconsin so I didn't do it AllyCat Jul 2018 #174

Didn't vote in Florida AllyCat Jul 2018 #175

It's absolutely baffling NastyRiffraff Jul 2018 #159

I'm right there with you DownriverDem Jul 2018 #124

OH HELL YES! samnsara Jul 2018 #157

Me too RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #23

they haven't changed their position. As bad as things are they say Hillary being JI7 Jul 2018 #2

What else can they say? That kind of person never says "I made a YUGE mistake." nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #18

Kind of like Trump voters roscoeroscoe Jul 2018 #96

Well both had zero to lose. EllieBC Jul 2018 #3

"Child bearing age" had nothing to do with it Nevernose Jul 2018 #32

If this democracy really does die, Volaris Jul 2018 #61

And all our Comrades we saved in WW2..... Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #5

The US was slow to go into the war and many arthritisR_US Jul 2018 #94

And to all those "conscience" voters who derided our warnings about SCOTUS mcar Jul 2018 #6

I would love to tell you where they should be, but instead I will say that ANYONE who considers them still_one Jul 2018 #7

Oh ,if they were the only ones to blame. Sneederbunk Jul 2018 #8

+ 1 million Grassy Knoll Jul 2018 #10

Thank you. I'm so sick of this Beaverhausen Jul 2018 #11

Without Comey Russia does not prevail. Sneederbunk Jul 2018 #13

Blame both. And jill Stein is connected to the russia attack JI7 Jul 2018 #14

Correct and Jill Stein was part of the Russian scheme, gordianot Jul 2018 #16

. RandySF Jul 2018 #19

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #20

Excuse me? Beaverhausen Jul 2018 #21

The sum of the parts... bsiebs Jul 2018 #22

My participation? Beaverhausen Jul 2018 #29

I have no idea who you voted for, more do I care bsiebs Jul 2018 #33

Where did I excuse anything? Beaverhausen Jul 2018 #34

Well we agree there ... a no win situation bsiebs Jul 2018 #35

It's a waste of time, Beaverhausen. chwaliszewski Jul 2018 #57

Putin's attack on the election are not long past. and Jill Stein is a Putin Troll JI7 Jul 2018 #102

Here we go... chwaliszewski Jul 2018 #106

here we go with Jill Stein Blaming democrats for kids being taken from parents JI7 Jul 2018 #177

Why don't you send her a strongly worded letter... chwaliszewski Jul 2018 #178

it's a democratic political forum JI7 Jul 2018 #179

Midterms can't come fast enough chwaliszewski Jul 2018 #180

agree, it's important to keep a watch on right wing attacks like Jill Stein spreading Uranium one JI7 Jul 2018 #181

+1 betsuni Jul 2018 #182

I need to take a break from DU for a while... chwaliszewski Jul 2018 #183

We know it's all of them.. No one is leaving out Russia.. Cha Jul 2018 #69

No it is not...Jillie worked with the Russians....was an honored guest of Putin... Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #109

Not so fast. It was a perfect storm of all of them. brush Jul 2018 #125

But all of them had the same goal--viciously malign Hillary R B Garr Jul 2018 #138

Yep, your last graph sums it up perfectly. brush Jul 2018 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author FormerDittoHead Jul 2018 #40

STOP. Is there anyone left on DU that voted for Stein and supports Sarandon? Freethinker65 Jul 2018 #12

Yes JI7 Jul 2018 #15

During the recent past, one or two have been arrogant enough to stick their head up. Blue_true Jul 2018 #38

Yes, need to keep reminding True Blue American Jul 2018 #97

It is important that people remember there are consequences to being irresponsible. McCamy Taylor Jul 2018 #28

Yes. Still blaming Democrats for everything. Never R B Garr Jul 2018 #50

No. But that doesn't stop the daily righteous indignation posts progressoid Jul 2018 #53

Too bad you don't like stein and sarandon Shamed for Cha Jul 2018 #70

They're here xmas74 Jul 2018 #58

I should hope the HELL NOT.. but that Does NOT Cha Jul 2018 #68

That's a good one. betsuni Jul 2018 #71

Gothmog found it.. Cha Jul 2018 #72

Hi Cha Gothmog Jul 2018 #119

For Cha Gothmog Jul 2018 #164

Yes! Absolutely there are! In fact, I believe I've spotted some in this very thread. NurseJackie Jul 2018 #137

Yes Callmecrazy Jul 2018 #153

Yes...a big shout-out to Stein & Sarandon for saving us from the horror of Hillary!!! Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #17

Andrea "Emails" Mitchell too @Mitchellreports sarcasmo Jul 2018 #24

She should have been fired and banned from TV cameras for life for her performances. n/t Eyeball_Kid Jul 2018 #77

Yes. Thank you for bringing that back to the conversation. Haggis for Breakfast Jul 2018 #165

But don't you see...we're getting a revolution!! Docreed2003 Jul 2018 #26

Stop sowing discord. focus on the future... jg10003 Jul 2018 #27

Yep Freethinker65 Jul 2018 #31

beating very dead horse Larrybanal Jul 2018 #37

Jill Stein is a Putin Troll . she will do the same thing in the future in order to help JI7 Jul 2018 #43

Good point. She was a Nader backer in 2000 and showed her true... brush Jul 2018 #127

+1 chwaliszewski Jul 2018 #59

The Discord Was Sown By Stein/Sarandon/Putin... TomCADem Jul 2018 #81

exactly ... nt Raine Jul 2018 #87

What future? leftofcool Jul 2018 #111

How is calling out a common enemy sowing discord? lapucelle Jul 2018 #112

I guess that all depends on how someone defines "common enemy", eh? NurseJackie Jul 2018 #161

Sowing discord. betsuni Jul 2018 #116

pssst.. wake up. Their actions are affecting that future. Amimnoch Jul 2018 #144

And those talking about the lesser of two evils need to be schooled. LiberalFighter Jul 2018 #30

Think They Would Point to TPP, China Tariffs and Immigration TomCADem Jul 2018 #39

The puffed up, pontificating asshole, Cornel West, struts about as if oasis Jul 2018 #120

I can't even listen to him...despise him. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #170

Stein and Sarandon are both blue-wave Jul 2018 #41

Sarandon is not a shill, she is a "useful idiot" davekriss Jul 2018 #48

I was thinking about Stein and Nader today agincourt Jul 2018 #42

Yes I'm so happy they saved us... from what would have been one of the BEST PRESIDENTS EVER! davekriss Jul 2018 #45

Rigged is rigged, Vlad was ready for any scenario.... czarjak Jul 2018 #46

YAY! Another thread full of sound and fury, signifying nothing progressoid Jul 2018 #51

We will NEVER forget. We Will NEVER get over it lunamagica Jul 2018 #66

No shit. progressoid Jul 2018 #95

Stein and Nader were never in Perot's class as far as legitimacy... brush Jul 2018 #130

The amount of defensiveness Jamaal510 Jul 2018 #52

Yeah, why are they so defensive Cha Jul 2018 #93

No kidding. MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #104

the same ones who defend attacks on democrats JI7 Jul 2018 #108

Pile up the cannon fodder the Nader and Stein voters have given us and it's horrible Bradshaw3 Jul 2018 #54

K&R. Happy to grind that axe with you anytime. Bleacher Creature Jul 2018 #55

I understand but disagree with those who say "enough already" re Sarandon bdjhawk Jul 2018 #60

Give it a rest. KPN Jul 2018 #62

NO. We will NEVER forget! lunamagica Jul 2018 #67

That's right, Luna.. HELL to the NO! Cha Jul 2018 #73

Those are great, Cha! Such self-absorbed, phony liars. R B Garr Jul 2018 #74

I've been borrowing them from Gothmog.. Cha Jul 2018 #78

Excellent! Gothmog does have some great graphics R B Garr Jul 2018 #85

Exactly.. "make them own it"! sarandon seems Cha Jul 2018 #89

I am really enjoying you having fun with these memes and tweets Gothmog Jul 2018 #152

For Cha Gothmog Jul 2018 #160

Mahalo, Goth! That's right.. SS had the GD GALL Cha Jul 2018 #166

Those are awesome, Cha! Both Sarandon and Stain need to be bombarded with them 24/7 lunamagica Jul 2018 #80

Yes, they DO need Bombardment! Gothmog found them.. I found Gothmog! Cha Jul 2018 #86

Cha, get a load of this! True Blue American Jul 2018 #99

I know.. and get a load of this by Marina Hyde at The Guardian Cha Jul 2018 #103

That's the problem. Faulty perspective in the first place. KPN Jul 2018 #129

How free-thinking of you trying to control what others post. But if my post bother you so much lunamagica Jul 2018 #143

Not trying to control. Just saying it's more harmful KPN Jul 2018 #149

Well voters who don't vote for us are Republicans...they support Republicans...and the Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #169

Think those kids in cages, separated from their parents, will "forget"? Lady_Chat Jul 2018 #75

Yes, now Susan is protesting.Hah! True Blue American Jul 2018 #100

I will join the axe-grinding any time! betsuni Jul 2018 #63

Neither of which will ever feel the pain they caused. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #64

No, they won't feel any pain whatsoever Cha Jul 2018 #84

Their privilege and arrogance allows them to have no remorse. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #88

Precisely. And, narcissism.. like Melania's jacket.. Cha Jul 2018 #91

Great pic. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #135

They need to be reminded EVERY. SINGLE. DAY lunamagica Jul 2018 #65

How about something like 46% of eligible voters who chose to sit out the election? Eyeball_Kid Jul 2018 #76

I respectively disagree. Sarandon and Stein had much more national airtime then they deserved, not still_one Jul 2018 #82

Still_one. I reckon your comment is spot on. Prof.Higgins Jul 2018 #83

Their airtime was a blip in comparison to the free time given to trump progressoid Jul 2018 #92

I respectfully agree with your Cha Jul 2018 #110

Respectfully, I don't see a correlation. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #146

Minor? Funny you should bring up the Russian thing.... MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #105

Agree. How about all the purging of voter rolls? AllyCat Jul 2018 #176

Yes, a clear lesson: If any Progressive doesn't get off their backside and vote for Democratic Party Prof.Higgins Jul 2018 #79

K&R Scurrilous Jul 2018 #90

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #98

They should have supported Hillary Clinton UCmeNdc Jul 2018 #101

She And Stein Broke The Cardinal Rule QuantaviousJackson Jul 2018 #107

And Greenwald and Taibbi and Tracey and Snowden and Goodman and Cenk and Nomiki and Jordan and... Blue_Tires Jul 2018 #114

As toxic virus spreads to Supreme Court, investigators inch closer to identifying Patient 0. Gothmog Jul 2018 #117

To hell with both them, along with their clueless followers. (nt) Paladin Jul 2018 #121

I always diss OPs who try to blame it all on Stein and Sarandon... Orsino Jul 2018 #122

Your forgot some key folks.. disillusioned73 Jul 2018 #123

So stupid. Anyone who hated Clinton so much actually helped Trump win. Nitram Jul 2018 #128

Enough of this budkin Jul 2018 #132

Wrong. They actively campaigned against Democrats, R B Garr Jul 2018 #142

They had almost ZERO influence on the outcome budkin Jul 2018 #158

To those who say "focus on the future elections"... Sparkly Jul 2018 #133

Susan Sarandon, I'm sure, got her information from RT... debsy Jul 2018 #136

The babies in cages, the babies separated and "lost" to vile human traffickers, workinclasszero Jul 2018 #141

So much angst over one woman's vote LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #145

Fine. Screw every single one of them too. Better? nt. Amimnoch Jul 2018 #147

Hardly comparable, but ok LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #151

it's not about her vote, it's about her publicly spreading BS in order to help Trump JI7 Jul 2018 #185

When does wallowing in loss end? When does the future begin? lovemydogs Jul 2018 #148

Grudges like this RocRizzo55 Jul 2018 #155

Define "us". NurseJackie Jul 2018 #163

Who should care RocRizzo55 Jul 2018 #186

Well, here's the thing... no they won't. NurseJackie Jul 2018 #189

That was RocRizzo55 Jul 2018 #190

You guess wrong. NurseJackie Jul 2018 #191

Grudges like this are great as we now know who our friends are...I do not consider Stein Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #171

Sorry to tell you RocRizzo55 Jul 2018 #187

She helped elect a Republican who ran on dismantling the EPA and is doing it...she is a horrible Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #192

You forgot RocRizzo55 Jul 2018 #193

sure and she encouraged voters to stay home if they didn't want to vote for...I despise her and Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #194

Believe what you will RocRizzo55 Jul 2018 #195

it's not a grudge, it's calling out the trolling from people who want Republicans to win JI7 Jul 2018 #184

And you know this because? RocRizzo55 Jul 2018 #188

Please don't. N/t madisongrace Jul 2018 #156

For this thread Gothmog Jul 2018 #162

Yeah, from SS' privileged perch Cha Jul 2018 #168

This isn't "wallowing" or "grudge holding". It's to reinforce protest/sulk/purity voting is suicidal Prof.Higgins Jul 2018 #167