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235. It is not the same

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 01:15 PM

Jul 2018

Rethugs don't have to leave no stone unturned. Their voters are rabid even if they did nothing. They don't' have to worry about these things. It is simply not the same. Rethug voters get out and vote. And to be fair, don't have obstacles in their way to the same rate.

And we just don't know. We could argue about this all day. People who don't vote, I think, will vote if there are people out there offering to drive them or helping them register, and that's the solution more than whether Obama said this or that. We could as easily argue that if Obama had made a bigger deal about any issue that it would have gotten them to go. But these people are not listening to Obama or anyone. They are just living out there and don't get, like the Rethugs do, that this stuff could affect them.

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Eleanor Clift: Will Obama Ever 'Fess Up to His Merrick Garland Mess? [View all] BeyondGeography Jul 2018 OP

Ridiculous. Turtle was not going to let confirmation hearings under any circumstances. Trust Buster Jul 2018 #1

So you're cool with him not even mentioning it at the convention? BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #2

That was not Clift's main point. Please read the OP. That was after the fact and would have changed Trust Buster Jul 2018 #6

I read it BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #7

Nope. That was after the fact. That would have changed nothing. Trust Buster Jul 2018 #8

Resistance is futile BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #9

It was basic math. The Republicans controlled the Senate and would not allow the nomination to Trust Buster Jul 2018 #11

He had the right to nominate anyone he wanted and to fight as hard as he could for his nominee BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #16

It seems to be a wrong impression to have to believe treestar Jul 2018 #24

The pick was only going to be brought back to life if we won the GE BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #28

The voters were not a factor at the time treestar Jul 2018 #29

That's ridiculous EffieBlack Jul 2018 #77

I second heaven05 Jul 2018 #230

You are forgetting the 1964 Civil Rights Act. former9thward Jul 2018 #158

88th Congress treestar Jul 2018 #179

+1000 Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #168

Obama could have done a recess appointment lancelyons Jul 2018 #233

Please do some research EffieBlack Jul 2018 #236

I could be wrong but there was a recess starting Jan 3 2017. Perhaps Im not the one needing to do lancelyons Jul 2018 #239

I've already done my research on this. I know what I'm talking about. EffieBlack Jul 2018 #240

Well it looks like you have done your research. COngrats.. I still think that 3-4 months lancelyons Jul 2018 #243

Math is more powerful than talking uponit7771 Jul 2018 #64

Well, some where in between zipplewrath Jul 2018 #18

The Comey letter won trump the election, no doubt, but one thing... brush Jul 2018 #56

Tend to yes zipplewrath Jul 2018 #60

That's the conventional wisdom but I don't believe that there was... brush Jul 2018 #69

The goals didn't need it zipplewrath Jul 2018 #71

You actually believe they had the capability to get into those rolls... brush Jul 2018 #78

How would they? zipplewrath Jul 2018 #84

You may call it conspiracy theory but you may be into denial... brush Jul 2018 #92

First those are two different systems mythology Jul 2018 #91

Oh, please. Google the election official in Wisconsin itself who... brush Jul 2018 #95

You mean this? zipplewrath Jul 2018 #107

So seals were tampered with, there were anomalities... brush Jul 2018 #110

Not seals zipplewrath Jul 2018 #114

Anything about the election officiai? brush Jul 2018 #120

Not that I found zipplewrath Jul 2018 #136

You may recall, it was an election official during the Walker election... brush Jul 2018 #140

You of course have a reference zipplewrath Jul 2018 #144

Why do you think that Mueller has taken so long to find out that "the Russians wouldn't bother?" ehrnst Jul 2018 #133

Because there's years of material zipplewrath Jul 2018 #135

"The suspicion is..." ehrnst Jul 2018 #148

Trump zipplewrath Jul 2018 #163

Where did I say Russia "was changing votes." That's your strawman, and you keep on attacking it.... ehrnst Jul 2018 #215

Who benefits from quashing the idea that Russians directly interfered with the election? Cha Jul 2018 #193

She was on the ground in PA and MI in the final week. As well as FL, NC and AZ. StevieM Jul 2018 #122

Yes, this.... eom sprinkleeninow Jul 2018 #201

Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Jul 2018 #134

Excellent logic on your part. saidsimplesimon Jul 2018 #90

You have a bizarre anti obama bent so no surprise you blame him BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #51

I find excessive fealty to be bizarre BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #62

Excessive fealty to promoting RW talking points BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #100

I agree. nt cwydro Jul 2018 #101

But how many voters know who Garland is? treestar Jul 2018 #145

The Democratic Party should have made sure... SMC22307 Jul 2018 #195

Rethugs don't have to do anything to get their voters to the polls treestar Jul 2018 #223

It may matter to independents and pro-choice Rs. SMC22307 Jul 2018 #231

It is not the same treestar Jul 2018 #235

They're rabid because the GOP, right-wing media... SMC22307 Jul 2018 #238

Who should he have nominated? dawg day Jul 2018 #228

Because if he had mentioned it at the convention that would have made a difference? EffieBlack Jul 2018 #75

Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!! tonyt53 Jul 2018 #157

Amen Effie JustAnotherGen Jul 2018 #229

You ought to be Obama's retroactive Chief of Staff with that 20/20 hindsight Blue_Tires Jul 2018 #146

Lame BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #149

Well to be fair, I see nothing in this thread warranting any more Blue_Tires Jul 2018 #218

Actually, there has already been almost as much energy expended in this thread BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #221

At least by you ... EffieBlack Jul 2018 #237

What exactly was he supposed to do about it? Freddie Jul 2018 #3

Yes, let blame Pres O Iliyah Jul 2018 #4

Why not Loki Liesmith Jul 2018 #126

Yeah, for reality.. not some fantasy bullshit thrown out Cha Jul 2018 #165

Why ya hittin' yourself, Obama? Why ya hittin' yourself? Orsino Jul 2018 #5

Like D Rump blaming Obama for Putin invading Crimea. Mc Mike Jul 2018 #12

With a different candidate nonviolence9 Jul 2018 #10

Thank you BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #13

Garland was a centrist candidate. milestogo Jul 2018 #14

No NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #33

I wonder if they're regretting their lack of support now Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2018 #79

If there had been a huge pushback from the beginning NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #86

You're living in fantasy land EffieBlack Jul 2018 #102

That's a legitimate point of argument BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #106

The average voter wouldn't have known who the hell "Merrick Garland" was BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #127

And how would that make a difference? Renew Deal Jul 2018 #202

Nothing like revisionist history, is there? EffieBlack Jul 2018 #222

welcome to DU gopiscrap Jul 2018 #206

Ahhhh... ODS shit stirring courtesy of someone who is past her "best by" date.... BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #15

"... past her best-by date..." --- HA! :-D NurseJackie Jul 2018 #17

Haven't heard much out of her in a bunch of years BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #19

Careful... JaneQPublic Jul 2018 #23

The "Dem leadership and many of its leading POTUS candidates." are not "journalists". BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #26

Past her "best by" date comes across as pretty misogynistic. n/t Coventina Jul 2018 #25

Is she not a "she"? BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #27

No, I'm saying that declaring a woman is past her "best by" date is Coventina Jul 2018 #30

If a fucking "man" had written that I would have said the same damn thing BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #32

If you are criticizing her career then do that. Coventina Jul 2018 #34

Yes I am cricizing her article and her modus operandi behind writing it BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #39

That's fine. Just don't phrase your criticism in misogynistic terms. Coventina Jul 2018 #44

Judging by some of the responses here BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #55

I thot elenora went see ya l8r, bye-bye. 🤔 sprinkleeninow Jul 2018 #203

I have to seriously wonder what an R president would have done in identical circumstances. Crunchy Frog Jul 2018 #20

They are better at leveraging the Court to mobilize their voters BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #21

There is nothing they could do if they didn't have power and now that Collins and Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #154

A sitting R president would certainly have made a gigantic stink out of it. Crunchy Frog Jul 2018 #173

Someone else could have mentioned it treestar Jul 2018 #22

Exactly BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #52

Bernie Sanders "mentioned" him, saying he would withdraw his nomination EffieBlack Jul 2018 #175

And, someone just jumped on the Cha Jul 2018 #184

These people are hilarious, had Obama gone on Fox treestar Jul 2018 #224

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jul 2018 #216

The fact that tRump was elected by 60million+ American NoMoreRepugs Jul 2018 #31

Better Believe It! MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #35

+1 Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #137

lol! treestar Jul 2018 #180

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Jul 2018 #36

We can blame Obama for 50 years, but it isn't going to change a darn thing. Hoyt Jul 2018 #37

Say what you want. It's on the tip of your tongue. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #38

I saw what you wrote BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #40

What I wrote was spot on and I wish it would stand. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #41

Unhide your post then BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #42

I don't view racism as a game. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #43

A phrase you obviously desperately want me to say BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #45

Trashing Obama is your legitimate issue of the day. Solid. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #46

Filling Scalia's seat couldn't have been handled better BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #47

What is it Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2018 #48

For god's sake at least put the blame where it belongs and that's with McConnell. Vinca Jul 2018 #49

Come on. The whole premise of this piece is bullshit. jmowreader Jul 2018 #50

READ THIS RIGHT NOW ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ POST #50 Wwcd Jul 2018 #58

I think you missed most of the article zipplewrath Jul 2018 #61

Grassley is NOT the Majority Leader of the Senate BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #68

I understand zipplewrath Jul 2018 #70

Do you guys not get it? BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #73

Take it down a notch zipplewrath Jul 2018 #80

I don't need to take ANYTHING "down a notch" BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #85

Less caffeine. zipplewrath Jul 2018 #109

Bullshit. No, as a black woman, I'm going to give you MORE "Maxine" BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #116

THIS! EffieBlack Jul 2018 #178

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #185

Mahalo, BRDS! You have to go all Maxine Cha Jul 2018 #191

Actuakky, BRDS IS one of the smartest, most knowledgeable people on DU EffieBlack Jul 2018 #177

They don't want to get it. They're determined, Cha Jul 2018 #83

Mahalo Cha! BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #87

Sure, cause Grassley didnt punk him Cosmocat Jul 2018 #138

As was pointed out zipplewrath Jul 2018 #143

McConnell may be the arch villian in all this, at least on this side of... brush Jul 2018 #72

Best. Post. Ever. EffieBlack Jul 2018 #104

The ignorance of Eleanor Cliff is astounding and surprising. still_one Jul 2018 #161

Not surprising to me.. Cha Jul 2018 #174

Once again a Democrat is blamed for a GOP bad action...not listening to this person again...tired of Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #53

Well, actually zipplewrath Jul 2018 #66

After we lost the house it didn't matter. And they plotted against him in inauguration day... Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #89

Oh, it mattered zipplewrath Jul 2018 #108

"Remember sequestration?" BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #119

Sequestration was a disaster for us...no one thought the GOP would got for it...but it Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #153

Actually, I think they thought the GOP would buckle zipplewrath Jul 2018 #164

I thought when defense was impacted they would too...but the extreme right are not typical Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #166

Yup zipplewrath Jul 2018 #169

The whole thing is infuriating budkin Jul 2018 #54

Let's attack Obama... but LEAVE JILL STEIN ALONE!!!!! MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #57

The ridiculousness is glaring isn't it. Just dinner among friends, they said. Wwcd Jul 2018 #63

Good point. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #167

It is a fantasy to think anyone would have gotten a hearing Renew Deal Jul 2018 #59

Are you fucking kidding me? ismnotwasm Jul 2018 #65

Obama did the right thing. tman Jul 2018 #67

If he had appointed a liberal darling, GOP would have fought them just as hard EffieBlack Jul 2018 #182

Bullshit EffieBlack Jul 2018 #74

Garland offered pretty much zero political value BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #76

Bullshit again EffieBlack Jul 2018 #98

Obama could have nominated Dick "Darth" Cheney for the seat BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #113

No...you're the only one who has been paying attention BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #115

Read this post BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #117

I see your side of the argument, it's complicated radius777 Jul 2018 #190

True ismnotwasm Jul 2018 #88

turtle* KNEW, didn't he, that HRC would not be elected. sprinkleeninow Jul 2018 #205

Clift is right sfwriter Jul 2018 #81

You can't change MATH. BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #96

Yeah, he should have caught on by 2010. sfwriter Jul 2018 #118

No, the scaredy cat Democrats should have stopped running away from him in 2010 BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #121

Agreed sfwriter Jul 2018 #123

Good point! nt Raine Jul 2018 #245

Garland should have been a recess appointment. Meadowoak Jul 2018 #82

The Senate did NOT go into "recess" and no longer does BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #93

Thanks for that research, BRDS! I was Cha Jul 2018 #103

The "recess appointment" talking point keeps coming up over and over BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #125

WTF is this? Unless someone can come up with a credible, workable alternative to what happened..... George II Jul 2018 #94

Don't you know? EffieBlack Jul 2018 #105

... BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #130

Good ones, thanks. George II Jul 2018 #142

Self reflection... disillusioned73 Jul 2018 #97

Revisionist history and gaslighting isn't 'self-reflection' emulatorloo Jul 2018 #111

Your right.. disillusioned73 Jul 2018 #129

SS and stein do own a big chunk of trump. Cha Jul 2018 #187

Everyone's just so upset we're all playing the blame game MariaCSR Jul 2018 #99

Why should I buy that the left would've been galvanized with Kelly? Drunken Irishman Jul 2018 #112

WOW - So what Clift and many here are saying is that...... tman Jul 2018 #124

What office is Obama running for again? SHRED Jul 2018 #128

Seems that BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #132

The evil smirk on the face of Mitch McConnell this morining at the press conference is the mfcorey1 Jul 2018 #131

What a ridiculous commentary. brer cat Jul 2018 #139

I don't think you can get mad at him for being who he is. Tatiana Jul 2018 #141

Very fair BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #150

Nice to see that there is no crisis that some useful idiot pundits Blue_Tires Jul 2018 #147

+1 emulatorloo Jul 2018 #156

Sadly, I think PDittie Jul 2018 #151

Yeah, I'm sure you do. Cha Jul 2018 #159

The only word that would have moved McConnell was arch-conservative. Thomas Hurt Jul 2018 #152

It's obamas fault that republicans are racist JI7 Jul 2018 #155

Exactly! H2O Man Jul 2018 #160

The REAL reason we are in the situation we are today is because JUST ENOUGH of SOME self- identified still_one Jul 2018 #162

+infinity BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #181

Ain't this the truth!!!!! tonyt53 Jul 2018 #188

She should have saved it for the next McLaughlin show. nt ucrdem Jul 2018 #170

Hey Eleanor! blogslut Jul 2018 #171

And, there it is! Yeah, up there on her Cha Jul 2018 #172

And remember Obama caved to Fox in 08 EndGOPPropaganda Jul 2018 #176

Ooooouuuuu! Ya'll pile on President Obama right Cha Jul 2018 #183

People are NOT aware EndGOPPropaganda Jul 2018 #197

What Ever. I've seen some wild bull Cha Jul 2018 #200

Oh, Good Lord. Really? EffieBlack Jul 2018 #192

No. He tried to block them, then caved EndGOPPropaganda Jul 2018 #196

Yeah, in your mind you blame it all Cha Jul 2018 #198

No I blame the Republicans EndGOPPropaganda Jul 2018 #199

It was simple over-confidence. Obama did not lobby hard for Garland because jg10003 Jul 2018 #186

President Obama's nominee was Cha Jul 2018 #189

And that was a reasonable position at that time treestar Jul 2018 #225

Totally right andytheteacher Jul 2018 #241

"If she hadn't dressed so provocatively, she wouldn't have been raped"... regnaD kciN Jul 2018 #194

Well that's water under the bridge. Look where we are now. YOHABLO Jul 2018 #204

Clift is correct, DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #207

Oh Bull.. President Obama was expoonentially Cha Jul 2018 #208

I disagree DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #209

Don't care.. you're wrong and so is Eleanor Cha Jul 2018 #211

I learned the term "fatal flaw" when DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #217

The color of his skin was the cause of their blatant partisanship treestar Jul 2018 #227

What was he supposed to do? Send in the Marshals? FFS..... NT Adrahil Jul 2018 #219

It's the only way for the first black president and you know it treestar Jul 2018 #226

Bullshit. Not going to read the article, but I hope ecstatic Jul 2018 #210

I'll tell you this, ecstatic.. Eleanor Cha Jul 2018 #212

exactly! nt ecstatic Jul 2018 #244

This author argues Hillary did more good by losing than winning. moriah Jul 2018 #213

talk about blaming the victim ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #214

Screw Clift, she's long ceased being relevant, like the rest of the McLaugh In Group. nt. Mc Mike Jul 2018 #220

I know Eleanor, have known her for years. She's not writing to please you. DFW Jul 2018 #242

Your friendship with her means as little to me as your unfriendliness to me. Mc Mike Jul 2018 #246

Be honest this is the democrat way lancelyons Jul 2018 #232

I agree with that BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #234

Welcome to DU, lancelyons. Quick tip: try to avoid using "democrat" as an adjective. VOX Jul 2018 #248

His biggest "failing" was believing that the other side Bettie Jul 2018 #247