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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
26. You are proving my point
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 11:04 PM
Jul 2018

Both have gone out of their way to take independent positions at least on a superficial way, but because both were "team players" in essence their is a ceiling to their popularity.

McCain, for example, did show that he was outside of the 'club' when something big like the ACA is at stake.

However because he is perceived as an establishment guy he has still struggled politically. John McCain is the only person in the history of the United States (that I am aware of) who, after serving as the standard bearer, had to fight like hell (twice) to win his primary against very weak opponents.

As you point out Flake talks a good game but votes with the team. Flake has also become unelectable in AZ. McSally ran as an independent Republican then voted with the team 95% of the time and was unelectable in her district because of it.

So here is the background on the race for the Senate in Arizona. The Republicans had two candidates that led the field; Kelli Ward (extreme right wing nut job) and Martha McSally (first woman fighter pilot, pretends to be independent).

The reason that they needed Arpaio pardoned was so that he could siphon off enough nut job votes so that McSally would win the nomination because Ward was likely to win the primary and get slaughtered in the general, for things like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrsten_Sinema

The General Election will be like the old yarn about the fat guy (me) and the skinny guy taking a hike in the woods and taking a turn in the trail find themselves in front of a mama bear with two cubs who starts to run at them. They turn and run and the skinny guy starts laughing. "What are you laughing at? You cannot out run a bear".

The skinny guy starts running just a bit faster and yells back "don't have to out run a bear".

You can run as a big party person and a small Arizonan or a big Arizonan and a small party

Martha McSally voted with Trump 97.6% of the time

Krysten Sinema voted with the Democrats 73% of the time (down from 80%)

Sinema is putting together the strategy that will make it easier for more independent and Republican voters to vote for her.

That is how an openly bisexual woman is able to win in a conservative state.

By the way Sinema also didn't vote for Pelosi for Speaker and I am 100% positive that Pelosi was fine with it. In the debates McSally will have to explain why she voted for both Boehner and Ryan when she campaigned on being "independent". Sinema is setting up McSally for the debates.


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/martha-mcsally/

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/01/upshot/the-house-democrats-who-are-voting-with-republicans-more-often.html

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She vote for another democrat. Schumer still wins. JI7 Jul 2018 #1
She won't mcar Jul 2018 #2
We need her to turn a red state blue grantcart Jul 2018 #3
Yep mcar Jul 2018 #4
please see #8 grantcart Jul 2018 #9
OK, I get this mcar Jul 2018 #21
And she'll do this by telling people she won't vote for Schumer? EffieBlack Jul 2018 #7
Absolutely, voters in Arizona don't like sychophantic team players, look at the record grantcart Jul 2018 #8
Agree completely. I have worked on a campaign marybourg Jul 2018 #13
that's what my friends in Phoenix tell me. grantcart Jul 2018 #16
McCain and Flake are TOTAL team players EffieBlack Jul 2018 #17
You are proving my point grantcart Jul 2018 #26
From a practical standpoint, her vote would be meaningless unless Schumer Blue_true Jul 2018 #12
Who would she prefer? Has she given a few qualified names? Wwcd Jul 2018 #5
Would be some other Dem. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #14
Well, I hope so. So she has no one to name as Schumer's replacement Wwcd Jul 2018 #23
She can vote against him as the party leader in a Democratic only vote. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #6
She would vote for an alternative democrat. Blue_true Jul 2018 #10
what make u think she would not vote for a republican? msongs Jul 2018 #15
Her past in the House. Blue_true Jul 2018 #19
by the way it is Kyrsten Sinema grantcart Jul 2018 #11
Last Dem to carry AZ was Bill in '96. radius777 Jul 2018 #18
She has been a very solid Dem in the House. Blue_true Jul 2018 #22
She comes fully endorsef by EMILY'S LIST also. Wwcd Jul 2018 #24
Incorrect spelling of her name. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #20
K & R Wwcd Jul 2018 #25
I'm not in Arizona, but I've supported and contributed to Kyrsten Sinema all along. NBachers Jul 2018 #27
Somehow I'd managed not to have heard of her until this thread, PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2018 #28
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