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104. Superdelegates are publicly accountable

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:13 AM

Jul 2018

establishment leaders who are favored by rank-and-file Democratic voters whereas regular delegates are usually party hack activist types who regular voters don't want making decisions for them. I would actually prefer they didn't even exist. Let a computer vote in the results on the first ballot based upon the people's choice then let the superdelegates add in their votes on the subsequent ballots until a nominee is reached.

Even Sanders' plan supports superdelegates on the subsequent ballots, simply excludes the from the first wherein the people's voice will be the only voice. I agree with this.

All political parties must have a mechanism of dealing with deadlocked first ballots that proceed to a contested convention. The superdelegate system was created to prevent back room horsetrading to install a nominee as was common in the past - iow to avoid corruption.

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Sanders-backed DNC plan sparks superdelegate revolt [View all] Gothmog Jul 2018 OP

KnR Hekate Jul 2018 #1

The super-delegate system is not winning elections for Democrats. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #2

The superdelegates have not in any way affected the outcome of any primaries. joshcryer Jul 2018 #4

It's one person one vote, regardless of race, ethnicity, national origin, gender Sophia4 Jul 2018 #7

Super Delegates did nothing wrong...the oh the email voters didn't vote for the Democratic nominee.. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #16

No matter. If the appearance of something shady is there, voters who are sad or Sophia4 Jul 2018 #92

The only people pushing this measure are sanders supporters Gothmog Jul 2018 #150

So here we go again. kstewart33 Jul 2018 #196

The DNC just adopted a rule that I approve of Gothmog Jul 2018 #197

What, no more highjacking the Democratic Party?? dubyadiprecession Aug 2018 #329

I like this rule but I hope that it is not necessary Gothmog Aug 2018 #331

Right Me. Aug 2018 #233

We are the Democratic Party. We should conduct our business democratically. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #226

You are calling members of the Congressional Black Caucus lazy Gothmog Aug 2018 #227

Apparently she thinks ALL superdelegates are "lazy folks". George II Aug 2018 #230

CBC members are leaders of the party and are more important to the party Gothmog Aug 2018 #240

I just wish KGB talking points wouldn't be on DU Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #244

You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #232

You need to back off as you're coming off horribly. Black folks are lazy? Really? brush Aug 2018 #234

I'm in California. Superdelegates are not necessarily Black. In fact, most of them Sophia4 Aug 2018 #236

Yes she is really is making the claim that black leaders are lazy Gothmog Aug 2018 #241

Have you considered working on a campaign in real life? Gothmog Aug 2018 #242

I'm guessing this month-old thread was resurrected because the CBC is against any changes. George II Aug 2018 #260

I am hoping the CBC opposition will kill this idiotic rule change Gothmog Aug 2018 #279

I know of four who will be attending the meeting, none are members of the CBC, who are against it. George II Aug 2018 #281

"Superdelegates are a bunch of lazy folks"? REALLY? George II Aug 2018 #229

It is lazy to want a superdelegate say in the outcome of the nomination process. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #231

These are leaders of our party who worked hard to get elected Gothmog Aug 2018 #243

The ATTACK of supers and Nancy Pelosi is an orchestrated KGB operation Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #245

You may be correct Gothmog Aug 2018 #247

+1000 stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #276

So members of the Congressional Black Caucus are both corrupt and lazy? Gothmog Aug 2018 #248

Does that "bunch of lazy folks who want to intervene in democratic elections" lapucelle Aug 2018 #246

Good question Gothmog Aug 2018 #249

,,, lapucelle Aug 2018 #253

LOL Gothmog Aug 2018 #268

ONLY 'shady' one election year...never an issue any other year. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #159

And even that year (assuming you're talking about 1984?) it wasn't truly shady, it just.... George II Aug 2018 #261

Super delegates have nothing to do with one vote etc. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #20

You are correct Gothmog Aug 2018 #273

They comprise about 15% of the available delegates and are there to over rule the will of the ... CentralMass Aug 2018 #327

How are superdelegates a problem? Eko Jul 2018 #23

Again you are wrong as to everything as to how delegates are elected in the real world Gothmog Jul 2018 #71

Despicable post, you should be ashamed of yourself Kentonio Jul 2018 #141

Sophia4 has called all members of the CBC corrupt Gothmog Jul 2018 #148

Those constant distortions and inferences that primaries aren't "honest" R B Garr Jul 2018 #183

I agree-there are some who are interested in hurting the party Gothmog Jul 2018 #195

Rep. Cedric Richmond, the Congressional Black Caucus chair, blasts proposed superdelegate changes Gothmog Aug 2018 #265

They've already lost their first vote power. joshcryer Jul 2018 #132

The fight is over rule taking away the right vote on the first ballot Gothmog Aug 2018 #274

That is the reality, while some want to push the false assertion that is what happened in 2016, and still_one Jul 2018 #12

If they have no affect who needs them? Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #252

Why aren't more minorities choosen as regular delegates? MichMan Aug 2018 #255

The process is very political Gothmog Aug 2018 #266

They already have soft quotas in place. joshcryer Aug 2018 #271

So you want to reduce the number of delegates from states with elected Democrats? Gothmog Aug 2018 #280

Bernie couldn't even win a plurality of actual delegates... dubyadiprecession Aug 2018 #328

I blame super delegates for Obama losing. mythology Jul 2018 #8

What are you talking about? Which election has been affected by superdelegates? lunamagica Jul 2018 #10

2016 for one. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #17

Wow. Blue_true Jul 2018 #35

Sanders supporters feelings were hurt because super delegates refuse to support sanders Gothmog Jul 2018 #151

CAUSUSES give all voters the impression the Democratic party is not big on democracy. pnwmom Jul 2018 #45

I'm with you... let democracy work. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #58

Again you are totally and completely wrong Gothmog Jul 2018 #73

You are probably right that nothing is really "fixed." Sophia4 Jul 2018 #89

I don't recall there being much concern over superdelegates prior to 2016. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #94

I do. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #96

Examples? Links to articles? Garrett78 Jul 2018 #128

Do not hold your breath waiting for an answer Gothmog Jul 2018 #152

This is only an issue because sanders feelings were hurt Gothmog Aug 2018 #282

And? Some of us had no idea how they worked. They blow. Taht doesn't make me a fan of JCanete Jul 2018 #131

Well, they've been around for a long time. So, why the contrived outrage starting in 2016? Garrett78 Jul 2018 #133

again, not contrived.. I had no idea the shit worked that way and it pisses me off. Why doesn't it JCanete Jul 2018 #134

But many others have known about superdelegates and their purpose. They aren't remotely new. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #136

well what the hell would be the point of voting then, if somebody else was going to decide for us JCanete Jul 2018 #147

What's the point in having insurance if you're healthy or a good driver? Garrett78 Jul 2018 #158

viewed by who as unelectable? Surely not the electorate, since their votes..."would have" spoken. JCanete Jul 2018 #164

A superdelegate only gets one vote. 712 supers, 712 votes. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #166

a circumstance that makes each vote roughly equivalent to 10,000 regular votes. What exactly happens JCanete Jul 2018 #187

There are 4763 delegates (4051 pledged) sent to the convention. One must reach 2382... Garrett78 Jul 2018 #192

first, define "only in extreme circumstances". If the electorate votes one way, then clearly JCanete Jul 2018 #198

Such as damaging news coming to light late in the primary season or after the last primary. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #199

then you weren't paying attention to the news and the way the race was being reported, particularly JCanete Jul 2018 #201

I paid attention, but we clearly have a different take on the reporting. Regardless... Garrett78 Jul 2018 #202

people don't so often just go and vote for the loser...the person they think is already out of the JCanete Jul 2018 #204

Where did you get this stuff? Gothmog Aug 2018 #283

Should get rid of it. Repubs don't have it, and they vote more reliably (won't miss an opportunity Meadowoak Aug 2018 #278

This is bizarre. You are saying that a fabricated story is R B Garr Jul 2018 #98

If what you say is true, and it is, then we have nothing to fear if we end the superdelegate Sophia4 Jul 2018 #100

It's obvious your concern is not about fairness R B Garr Jul 2018 #106

I agree that caucuses should be eliminated. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #108

It is dishonest to imply that our candidates are R B Garr Jul 2018 #110

I'm not claiming that our candidates are picked unfairly. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #113

Talk about honesty, when you have to draw this much R B Garr Jul 2018 #117

So why have superdelegates if they don't really do anything? Sophia4 Jul 2018 #119

This is a contrived issue. When you look at the article R B Garr Jul 2018 #123

They give elected officials who are leaders of the party a seat at the table Gothmog Aug 2018 #284

I don't hate members of the CBC. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #287

You admit that you are not a real democrat and did not vote for Clinton Gothmog Aug 2018 #288

I am a real lifelong Democrat. I have probably worked in more campaigns than most Sophia4 Aug 2018 #289

You refused to support the nominee of the party and so I do not think that you are a real democrat Gothmog Aug 2018 #290

you DID NOT vote heaven05 Aug 2018 #291

What are you talking about? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #292

Did you vote for HRC? heaven05 Aug 2018 #318

That poster did not vote for Clinton and is proud of their vote Gothmog Aug 2018 #322

I think I have to move heaven05 Aug 2018 #330

Bragging about not being a real democrat on this board irks me Gothmog Aug 2018 #293

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #313

You are dead wrong. Super delegate are the off switch that prevents a democratic Trump. Blue_true Jul 2018 #165

Let the people, the voters and the delegates decide. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #168

It is a waste. Blue_true Jul 2018 #169

The Democrats are a POLITICAL PARTY. The SCOTUS has ruled that political parties stopbush Jul 2018 #121

So you are back to claiming that super delegates are corrupt Gothmog Jul 2018 #149

what actually happened is not the issue. lol lol . stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #277

I tell you what I find ironic. You are against SD, but you are all for Open Primaries, which perhaps still_one Jul 2018 #83

I have registered many, many voters. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #85

I don't care how many people you registered. If people want to decide who will be the DEMORATIC still_one Jul 2018 #90

I disagree with you. I think there has to be a way to encourage people to register Sophia4 Jul 2018 #95

I am in Northern Califronia, and the jungle primary is insane. We were just damn lucky that we still_one Jul 2018 #102

Have you ever canvassed for a candidate? Sophia4 Jul 2018 #105

Yes I have, multiple elections, multiple times going door to door. Also extensive phone banking still_one Jul 2018 #114

You can't make the voter's registration confidential because when you canvast Sophia4 Jul 2018 #116

Yes you can. You make the field of PARTY PREFERENCE HIDDEN. If you are looking to canvass just still_one Jul 2018 #120

This🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2018 #162

this nt heaven05 Aug 2018 #237

Superdelegates had no bearing on the 2016 result. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #86

That is not the point. Perception is the point. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #99

It makes it easy, perhaps, for unscrupulous people to persuade gullible people... Garrett78 Jul 2018 #129

Nope, it's not the point. You can't live your life based on other people's warped sense of reality. stevenleser Jul 2018 #173

If you want to win elections, you have to consider how people see you, how they Sophia4 Jul 2018 #179

Nope, you don't consider lunatics in your strategy. Focus on sane people. nt stevenleser Jul 2018 #188

You have to consider everyone including the sane and the crazy. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #191

We simply don't know. Kentonio Jul 2018 #142

Generally speaking, I think the media made the distinction clear. And the media loves a horse race. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #156

I agree, not good for perception, radius777 Jul 2018 #185

In 2008 NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #160

We should strive for the reality AND appearance of utmost fairness and honesty. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #163

Super delegates had nothing to do with Sanders lost Gothmog Aug 2018 #224

It prevents food fights in close elections...and I want it to stay...called the DNC and said so. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #11

Superdelegates give to voters who lose the impression that the election or nomination Sophia4 Jul 2018 #18

Yes, Sophia, if they don't make a difference, get rid of them. rgbecker Jul 2018 #21

Come on Sophia. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #41

Yep Meowmee Jul 2018 #125

exactly heaven05 Aug 2018 #238

No worries, Sophia, because "impressions" are not what is counted -- R B Garr Jul 2018 #51

If voters have the "impression" that the process is unfair, "rigged," then they Sophia4 Jul 2018 #111

Sorry, but this is leftover and very bad fear mongering R B Garr Jul 2018 #115

I respect your right to your opinions, but I disagree with you on this issue. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #118

That is bizarre you are saying superdelegates R B Garr Jul 2018 #122

I don't because heaven05 Aug 2018 #239

People have all kinds of impressions. We can't be responsible for them.Some people believe in ghosts stevenleser Jul 2018 #172

The system is not rigged Gothmog Aug 2018 #225

Spot on, especially this: "if they make no difference really in the end, why have them?" InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #59

Why have auto insurance if you're a good driver or health insurance if you're healthy? Garrett78 Jul 2018 #177

Again, you are totally wrong on the facts Gothmog Jul 2018 #74

If you are right, if as you say, Sophia4 Jul 2018 #103

We should not be dishonest and accuse people of things R B Garr Jul 2018 #109

Super delegates are elected leaders of the party such as members of the CBC Gothmog Jul 2018 #153

Why have them? They're an insurance policy. Like having health insurance even if you're healthy. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #88

What do they insure? Sophia4 Jul 2018 #101

Did you click on the link in my last post? Garrett78 Jul 2018 #124

By your own words. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #182

We should have no superdelegates. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #186

No answer. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #189

Are you surprised? Gothmog Aug 2018 #285

No. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #286

We are supposed to accept the opinions of non-democrats as to how the party should be managed Gothmog Aug 2018 #295

California DNC Member Suggests Superdelegate Reform Is Part Of Russian Plot Gothmog Jul 2018 #215

Wow! That is interesting! A so-called Green party R B Garr Jul 2018 #216

Yep Gothmog Jul 2018 #217

This is yet another contradiction -- now in this post you are concerned R B Garr Jul 2018 #38

Teach! sheshe2 Jul 2018 #43

lol, yes! That same ol' reality bending and blaming gets old. R B Garr Jul 2018 #46

I really had to LOL. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #65

You have no evidence of that either way since super delegates have never affected stevenleser Jul 2018 #47

Yes but Nina Turner said................. DURHAM D Jul 2018 #48

Thank you for trying, Sophia4. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #69

lol of course you are. JHan Aug 2018 #272

Why do we want to punish the CBC and the leaders of the party Gothmog Jul 2018 #70

Agree, also get rid of caucuses and open primaries. radius777 Jul 2018 #79

I think that superdelegates are no more trustworthy than "party hacks." Sophia4 Jul 2018 #91

Superdelegates are publicly accountable radius777 Jul 2018 #104

We do need a mechanism to deal with deadlocks, but superdelegates are not what Sophia4 Jul 2018 #107

Only better way would be voters going to the polls again radius777 Jul 2018 #112

2nd ballots will be a lot more common under the new proposed rule. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #200

True, but candidates have their chance radius777 Jul 2018 #206

Members of the CBC are "party hacks" Gothmog Jul 2018 #154

So members of the Congressional Black Caucus are lazy, corrupt and party hacks Gothmog Aug 2018 #267

Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Jul 2018 #205

Reducing or eliminating caucuses would be a start. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #3

Yep. Caucases need to go. They're undemocratic. joshcryer Jul 2018 #5

Yes. I agree. Caucuses don't include, can't include all voters. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #9

and OPEN PRIMARIES SHOULD BE CLOSED TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT REGISTERED DEMOCRATS still_one Jul 2018 #15

There should be a way for certain independents and third-party registered voters to Sophia4 Jul 2018 #19

Why should a non-Democrat choose the Democratic nominee? No it ISN'T complicated. Those who do NOT still_one Jul 2018 #24

As I pointed out, some people may, for professional reasons for example, need to Sophia4 Jul 2018 #27

Actually if you perceive that as a problem, that solution is very simple, just change the rules so still_one Jul 2018 #36

Agree radius777 Jul 2018 #82

Absolutely. They want to get rid of SD, fine, but the day the Democratic party opens up the primary still_one Jul 2018 #84

Jesus. OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #25

What do you mean? Sophia4 Jul 2018 #28

... OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #31

Ummhmm sheshe2 Jul 2018 #39

there is a way - register as a democrat. nt msongs Jul 2018 #33

I prefer closed primaries. Blue_true Jul 2018 #37

In my purple county, we had a serving Republican comptroller lapucelle Jul 2018 #56

I am somewhat confused by your post. Blue_true Jul 2018 #66

The Democrat won the Democratic primary and went on to win the GE. lapucelle Jul 2018 #68

Same here and I would like to get rid of undemocratic caucuses Gothmog Jul 2018 #72

Then you support the DNC rule that is quid pro quo for the super delegate rule Gothmog Jul 2018 #75

If someone wants to vote as a Democrat in Skidmore Jul 2018 #155

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #13

Yes. Caucuses are undemocratic and exclusive. They need to go. lunamagica Jul 2018 #14

"wretched timing" is a good phrase for it. joshcryer Jul 2018 #6

I stand with the CBC mcar Jul 2018 #22

I know a number of members of the CBC and I stand with them also Gothmog Jul 2018 #77

I iwll support getting rid of superdelegates when we get rid of caucuses. RandySF Jul 2018 #26

We should get rid of caucuses FIRST. LisaM Jul 2018 #30

Caucuses are the only reason the 2016 primary was even remotely close, so I doubt it. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #53

Exactly! This is why it's obvious this is just a distraction and not a R B Garr Jul 2018 #40

It's not a distraction RandySF Jul 2018 #42

True, I had to word it carefully, but you are exactly correct. R B Garr Jul 2018 #44

it is not up to a political party to decide on primary or caucus. DURHAM D Jul 2018 #49

Idaho Dems are going to a primary for 2020 RandySF Jul 2018 #50

How? Did the state provide an option? Or change the process? DURHAM D Jul 2018 #52

Rep. Gerry Connolly is my rep. Two thumbs up. n/t FSogol Jul 2018 #29

Do superdelegates always reflect the popular vote? panader0 Jul 2018 #32

They didn't in 2016 for West Virginia... k8conant Jul 2018 #87

Because Clinton won the overall popular vote. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #93

the democratic party should not aim to please republicans and other non party members nt msongs Jul 2018 #34

They'll still be able to endorse whoever they want. And vote. Just not on the first ballot. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #54

Having a little control by leadership is not a bad thing. EndGOPPropaganda Jul 2018 #55

There should not be a mechanism to allow a select few to change the will of the electorate in an CentralMass Aug 2018 #338

You're not going to like hearing about Jeffersonian democracy EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #339

I'm with the CBC.. and Gerry Connelly makes Cha Jul 2018 #57

Ditto! ucrdem Jul 2018 #60

Hey Aloha, ucr! Cha Jul 2018 #61

Aloha from burning asphalt h#ll! ucrdem Jul 2018 #62

Cha is four islands over from the Volcano Gothmog Jul 2018 #81

Bet he wishes he were there now. . . ucrdem Jul 2018 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author Midwestern Democrat Jul 2018 #63

I think Perez will probably horse-trade a little and make both sides happy. ucrdem Jul 2018 #64

Super delegates can vote at the polls like everyone else. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #67

Additional new DNC Rule-Presidential candidates must publicly affirm that they are a Democrat Gothmog Jul 2018 #76

I hope for a day when we do away with delegates altogether. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #78

Oh, FFS! Superdelegates make sure grassroot members of the party gets *more* say, not less! KitSileya Jul 2018 #80

That is a truly terrible excuse for superdelegates.. Kentonio Jul 2018 #143

Super delegates need to go budkin Jul 2018 #97

The super delegates should be eliminated. Period. CentralMass Jul 2018 #126

uh...why is it idiotic? Because some people's votes should cancel out 1000's? How weird that JCanete Jul 2018 #130

Historically superdelegates have wielded zero power - they have never determined.... George II Aug 2018 #257

Then first, why do we need them if they wield 0 power, and second, I'm not convinced JCanete Aug 2018 #270

The CBC are leaders of a key demographic groups which votes for real democrats Gothmog Aug 2018 #294

They have a seat at the table. You are talking about something entirely different than a JCanete Aug 2018 #297

Again, you are wrong Gothmog Aug 2018 #298

don't pretend its about the right to vote. Every superdelegate has the right to vote, like every JCanete Aug 2018 #301

The proposal is to strip members of the CBC and other super delegates of their vote Gothmog Aug 2018 #302

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #303

Again magic does not exist and sanders was not viable without the aide of magic Gothmog Aug 2018 #304

"I know you were there and I wasn't, but let me explain what really happened..." lapucelle Aug 2018 #305

What? We aren't talking about who was somehwere and who wasn't. wow. We're talking about JCanete Aug 2018 #319

... lapucelle Aug 2018 #320

uh...okay. Be well. Or don't. I can't tell you how to be... JCanete Aug 2018 #321

I am amused that you think that I do not care about the party Gothmog Aug 2018 #325

Nor can you tell me what to say. lapucelle Aug 2018 #333

I do not believe in magic and without a magical voter revolution sanders was not viable Gothmog Aug 2018 #324

I don't need the "conversation" explained to me, thank you very much. lapucelle Aug 2018 #334

,,, lapucelle Aug 2018 #306

Since you are NOT full of shit, and since that ATTACK is visible I want to make sure I say over and Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #307

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #308

No one knows in advance what "Supers would or would not do." We certainly know.... George II Aug 2018 #317

Supers and all delegates will do what is best for the party Gothmog Aug 2018 #323

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #309

Thank you sir. George II Aug 2018 #335

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #311

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #310

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #312

I am not sure what you are trying to say here Gothmog Aug 2018 #337

Not giving an opinion on... Mike Nelson Jul 2018 #135

Especially when he's not also calling for the end to undemocratic caucuses. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #137

I agree, the... Mike Nelson Jul 2018 #138

They absolutely didn't change the outcome in 2016. They never have. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #140

How are they an insurance policy? Kentonio Jul 2018 #144

See post #88. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #157

I agree with your analysis Gothmog Aug 2018 #275

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #314

This rule is being pushed to make sanders happy Gothmog Aug 2018 #300

Since he dropped the -D from his name... Mike Nelson Aug 2018 #340

I agree that it is dumb to adopt this rule just to make sanders and his supporters happy Gothmog Aug 2018 #341

Lulzd Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #139

They should absolutely be scrapped Kentonio Jul 2018 #145

Do superdelegates also get to vote on the party platform? dansolo Jul 2018 #146

The platform is written by platform committee and voted on by all delegates Gothmog Aug 2018 #264

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #315

Thank you Gothmog Aug 2018 #336

I'd back lessening the influence of superdelegates NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #161

Russia's working hard to defeat us on November 6. Hortensis Jul 2018 #167

This. I'd like to say das vidanya to some of our suddenly resurrected Squinch Aug 2018 #228

Yep Gothmog Aug 2018 #263

I still don't think we should have superdelegates. No one's vote should have the power to negate Vinca Jul 2018 #170

If I vote for the person running against the person you voted for, am I negating your vote? Garrett78 Jul 2018 #174

You may if you're a superdelegate. It depends on the final numbers in the primary. Vinca Jul 2018 #175

There are 4763 delegates (4051 pledged) sent to the convention. One must reach 2382... Garrett78 Jul 2018 #176

It's not fair. Vinca Jul 2018 #180

That's not how the system works. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #184

This is a sore spot for me since I live in New Hampshire. Vinca Jul 2018 #193

Breaking it down by state seems silly to me. It's the total that matters. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #194

We'll have to agree to disagree. Vinca Jul 2018 #207

LOL Blue_Tires Jul 2018 #171

Oh yeah! Superdelegates for me but not for thee. R B Garr Jul 2018 #181

more likely that was justification to stay in the race when so much noise was being made to get JCanete Jul 2018 #190

Magic does not work in the real world Gothmog Jul 2018 #209

I literally said in my post I ddin't think that was ever the expectation. nt JCanete Jul 2018 #212

Eliminating Super delegates will not help sanders but will help Harris Gothmog Jul 2018 #214

I've explained my issues with Superdelagates in the past, one of which major issue is how they are JCanete Jul 2018 #218

Magic does not work in the real world Gothmog Jul 2018 #219

The whole Sanders run was based upon moving the party to the left, which, if you look at the JCanete Jul 2018 #220

Sanders platform was based on unrealistic assumptions about a so-called revolution Gothmog Jul 2018 #221

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #316

Rep. Cedric Richmond, the Congressional Black Caucus chair, blasts proposed superdelegate changes Gothmog Aug 2018 #223

That effort failed Gothmog Jul 2018 #208

I was a delegate to the national convention and was at the Texas breakfast where we had a revolt Gothmog Jul 2018 #210

Pure democracy and the flaccid emotions of the masses bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #178

We used to have a right wing tirebiter Jul 2018 #203

Eliminate superdelegates, eliminate caucuses, close the primaries Devil Child Jul 2018 #211

House Dems seethe over superdelegates plan Gothmog Jul 2018 #213

Congressional Black Caucus chair blasts proposed superdelegate changes Gothmog Aug 2018 #222

"Disenfranchising" Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #235

You are wrong Gothmog Aug 2018 #250

Well here is one definition: Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #256

You do understand that the proposed rule deprives superdelegates of the right to vote? Gothmog Aug 2018 #258

Surreptitious insulting again? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #259

Word have meanings Gothmog Aug 2018 #262

Bernie needs to ride off into the sunset. PubliusEnigma Aug 2018 #251

Ballot access laws may help on this Gothmog Aug 2018 #296

Yes, the timing IS wretched... Fiendish Thingy Aug 2018 #254

I was at the convention Gothmog Aug 2018 #299

Here is the letter from the head of the CBC Gothmog Aug 2018 #269

GRU and GOP have done an amazing job getting Democrats to go against their own party Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #332

Super Degates should be eliminated, period. CentralMass Aug 2018 #326