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159. I'm confident your state's Democratic voters can sort all of that out

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 02:42 PM

Jul 2018

...this is less about a successful result of Harris' primary challenge on this thread, than is is about her right and others' right to stage a primary challenge.

Critics act as if the challenge, itself, is some sort of betrayal. Why even hold a primary, if it's just a cynical exercise to protect the incumbent?

The other issue on this thread is a criticism of these two campaigns sharing support from within their ranks. These are normal functions of primary campaigns, not some untoward or improper attack on the Democratic party, notwithstanding the value some in Delaware place in the Carper incumbency.

It should be obvious that I'm not really trying to make one outcome or the other happen with my defense of these candidates' exercise of the political process. It should be obvious, because I have not engaged in the details of the campaign. That's deliberate.

I was a Bernie OPPONENT. I have been (and continue to be) one of the most persistent defenders and promoters of the Democratic party and Democratic leadership who posts here. I don't normally wear that on my sleeve, but I know well many here must have their mouths agape watching me defend this Democratic Socialist.

But, only one candidate is being called out for politicking in this case. It's a shameful double standard, and a hyperbolic sham of an argument to suggest AOC's election victory, or her reaching back to pull up the Democrats in Delaware who helped her succeed is something untenable or improper.

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DE-SEN: Ocasio-Cortez deploys staff to campaign against Tom Carper [View all] RandySF Jul 2018 OP

We should be fighting Republicans. nycbos Jul 2018 #1

How is this "eating our own?" HopeAgain Jul 2018 #2

Carper is a friend. nycbos Jul 2018 #4

the 'far left' bigtree Jul 2018 #6

"Establishment" sounds to me like a label some on the far left use mcar Jul 2018 #12

Help I am being repressed nycbos Jul 2018 #19

Your MP references are spot on! mcar Jul 2018 #22

Python is so versatile nycbos Jul 2018 #24

Never gets old! mcar Jul 2018 #25

I prefer 'old guard' bigtree Jul 2018 #26

"Experienced" is most apt, IMO mcar Jul 2018 #27

Yes, Good Solid Experience that they're Cha Jul 2018 #47

+1000 sheshe2 Jul 2018 #61

That's some fine truth! Docreed2003 Jul 2018 #201

I agree.. WHAT "far left?" pangaia Jul 2018 #85

preach shanny Jul 2018 #166

We need some "far left" Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #188

Right with you HopeAgain Jul 2018 #199

Name a Carper position you disagree with... brooklynite Jul 2018 #29

missionary? H2O Man Jul 2018 #33

! QC Jul 2018 #67

He is completely a creature of the banks and corporations who are ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #35

That's grossly untrue. But while we're at it, do you know anyone in this country who is NOT.... George II Jul 2018 #62

Look at his campaign contributors. H2O Man Jul 2018 #72

Who are his "contributors"? George II Jul 2018 #76

Look and find out. H2O Man Jul 2018 #79

I'm not making the accusations, but the bottom line is NO ONE can contribute more than $2700. George II Jul 2018 #81

I'm not anti-Crowley. H2O Man Jul 2018 #87

It is illegal for corporations to contribute to any Federal candidate campaigns. George II Jul 2018 #89

Thus, corporations H2O Man Jul 2018 #91

Who cares - what matters is how he votes. treestar Jul 2018 #150

The answer to that H2O Man Jul 2018 #165

He has to serve the needs of his state, radius777 Jul 2018 #88

I assume you mean the people of his state. shanny Jul 2018 #167

I couldn't find either HopeAgain Jul 2018 #39

Rolling back Dodd Frank regulations. Voting for Alex Azar as HHS Nanjeanne Jul 2018 #196

"Lost us almost all access to power"? Carper has been in office for 18 years! George II Jul 2018 #59

Exactly... it's called "democracy"! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #132

that's the idea behind the general election bigtree Jul 2018 #5

Well said RandomAccess Jul 2018 #46

In Delaware the Rs are moderate treestar Jul 2018 #151

We should be fighting for real representation Corvo Bianco Jul 2018 #83

check the thread bigtree Jul 2018 #147

AOC is hurting her district Gothmog Jul 2018 #184

primaries either challenge incumbents to do better bigtree Jul 2018 #3

Why does Cortez need to send a hit squad to meddle in another state? RandySF Jul 2018 #8

why label her staffers as a 'hit squad? bigtree Jul 2018 #36

She should not do this... Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #64

so Carper shouldn't accept outside help with his campaign? bigtree Jul 2018 #78

This has nothing to do with being a woman...Ms. Cortez does not even hold office and she is Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #190

Gee...where was this fire when AOC and the Our Revolution folks Docreed2003 Jul 2018 #202

I'm sorry, there are six Democrats running in that race, including another woman bigtree Jul 2018 #208

I chose my words exactly as I intended Docreed2003 Jul 2018 #209

hold on, nowhere have I criticized anyone on this thread for not supporting women bigtree Jul 2018 #210

Gracious! H2O Man Jul 2018 #43

Ding.. disillusioned73 Jul 2018 #123

Primaries also burn cash that could be used to win General Elections brooklynite Jul 2018 #32

True. H2O Man Jul 2018 #44

...to win an absolutely safe Democratic seat. brooklynite Jul 2018 #52

Everty dollar Ocasio raised could have gone to beat an incumbent Democrat. brooklynite Jul 2018 #53

That's one way H2O Man Jul 2018 #57

there was very low turnout radius777 Jul 2018 #86

Sour grape flavored speculation. H2O Man Jul 2018 #134

That is why I hate this...and I have to say giving Ms Cortez the benefit of the doubt...hope she Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #66

That's the biggest downside. Tatiana Jul 2018 #182

I just saw on NYT that Crowley's Running octoberlib Jul 2018 #7

Wrong RandySF Jul 2018 #15

Good thing to know. Buzzfeed tweeted the octoberlib Jul 2018 #16

Think Progress has done the same mcar Jul 2018 #38

Back in the late '60s, maybe '70s, there were four "major" parties in NY. It was not unheard of.... George II Jul 2018 #60

the Conservative line still exists crazycatlady Jul 2018 #101

"Cortez will be on the ballot in a neighboring district"? Is that true? George II Jul 2018 #97

She had to decline the "honor" KitSileya Jul 2018 #104

there was so much support for her in that district that VOTERS wrote her in bigtree Jul 2018 #108

Do point out that Cortez will be on the ballot in a neighboring district shanny Jul 2018 #168

He may not be running, but name recognition alone could garner him a win. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #191

Why is she not helping Democrats campaign against Republicans? mcar Jul 2018 #9

she's doing both bigtree Jul 2018 #30

I am well aware how primaries are run mcar Jul 2018 #34

That's not the way our democracy works. I see you profess to understand this. bigtree Jul 2018 #37

You missed the point mcar Jul 2018 #40

the point seems to be that you favor incumbents like Carper and don't think he should be challenged bigtree Jul 2018 #45

I think that the issue here Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2018 #54

as I've said a couple times in this thread bigtree Jul 2018 #55

The entire state of Delaware is not a safe district the same way Ocasio's is treestar Jul 2018 #152

I'm confident your state's Democratic voters can sort all of that out bigtree Jul 2018 #159

I guess it is because in the process, it seems inevitable that treestar Jul 2018 #162

never mind bigtree Jul 2018 #163

++++++ JHan Jul 2018 #185

.. Cha Jul 2018 #48

Because it is primary season? shanny Jul 2018 #169

It risks putting a Republican in the seat and not all Democrats are not equal and incumbent has an Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #175

Just crown the incumbent? Yeah, OK. shanny Jul 2018 #176

Yes , in the age of Trump who plans a 90,000 bed concentration camp crown the incumbent Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #189

We will continue to disagree. shanny Jul 2018 #195

LOL, you should Google Ocasia's own words about R B Garr Jul 2018 #197

Sorry, this candidate she supports will most likely not be facing anyone in the general election. George II Jul 2018 #84

you know that's not what's at issue here bigtree Jul 2018 #92

You're exaggerating, and misrepresenting what I've done, i.e.,... George II Jul 2018 #94

I'll rely on something you said to me George bigtree Jul 2018 #98

I don't understand this. What are you "relying" on if you "haven't seen it"? As we used to say.... George II Jul 2018 #99

you did lie about Ocasio-Cortez's primary challenge. Whether you're a 'liar' remains to be seen bigtree Jul 2018 #109

What race is she helping to defeat Republicans and not targeting sitting Democrats? Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #192

I find it interesting that they are implying that the voters of state of Delaware share the same still_one Jul 2018 #10

There will be a lot said on this board when Harper Wins.. Tweet from him on Kavanaugh.. Cha Jul 2018 #14

Agreed Cha. I was just point out how the framing of this article makes some assumptions based on still_one Jul 2018 #17

Oh I know.. I was just trying Cha Jul 2018 #20

Senator Tom Carper Tweet on Kavanaugh.. Cha Jul 2018 #11

Gee, he sounds so "establishment" mcar Jul 2018 #13

The word they're looking for is Cha Jul 2018 #18

Bingo! tonyt53 Jul 2018 #21

With everything we're facing, now is not the time to pull this infighting mcar Jul 2018 #23

Yes, thank you. LisaM Jul 2018 #153

... mcar Jul 2018 #158

Yes, that's big value in Delaware too treestar Jul 2018 #155

Thanks, treestar! Maybe Cha Jul 2018 #164

Carper is a safe and reliable Democratic vote Renew Deal Jul 2018 #28

Not even elected and she is meddling in another state's candidates? dansolo Jul 2018 #31

so Carper is entitled to outside help for his campaign bigtree Jul 2018 #41

It's curious how H2O Man Jul 2018 #49

it's been a puzzle to me, H2O Man bigtree Jul 2018 #50

A successful insurgent candidate BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #51

she persisted. bigtree Jul 2018 #56

I don't give a damn about any candidate or any primary...if we have safe Democratic seat than hands Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #68

our primaries don't bar challenges to 'safe' Democrats bigtree Jul 2018 #73

No kidding, but one would think with so much at stake these folks wouldn't do it. It risks the Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #193

Good to hear from someone whose Senator is Tom Carper, dansolo.. Cha Jul 2018 #42

I've got to be nice, but message to Cortez - GMAFB! George II Jul 2018 #58

She could lose the general...stranger things have happened. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #70

I am done with this nonsense...challenging Dems instead of Republicans... Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #63

This seat was Republican once upon a time RandySF Jul 2018 #65

Exactly, this primary opponent could cost us the seat...We have a Democrat in place...now Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #69

that's NEVER been a standard against a primary challenge bigtree Jul 2018 #77

It should be a consideration and this is why we lost in 16 and have lost the courts for Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #194

oh bullshit bigtree Jul 2018 #71

I don't have many statistics, but it is almost unprecedented that someone would primary.... George II Jul 2018 #74

that's a lie bigtree Jul 2018 #82

A "lie"? Really? George II Jul 2018 #90

Feinstein has a prominent Democratic challenger. Where's your criticism of that effort? bigtree Jul 2018 #93

Okay, when was the last time someone primaried an incumbent Senator in Delaware? George II Jul 2018 #112

that should make no difference at all to anyone who respects the democratic process bigtree Jul 2018 #117

If we lose Deleware that is another vote for Trump shit and it does matter...no one is neglecting Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #172

Delaware, Carpers' seat doesn't look at risk from Harris bigtree Jul 2018 #180

I am worried about the ads weakening him and allowing the GOP to take the seat. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #187

I have written pages about how the Feinstein challenger is dead to me in future national Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #173

Yes, this is a Senate seat and Delaware is moderate treestar Jul 2018 #156

This is an OR kind of thing...can't stand them. They would rather elect a Republican than a Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #171

Strike 2. ecstatic Jul 2018 #75

Yeah, and now I feel like an idiot for saying something nice about her the other day. Bleacher Creature Jul 2018 #100

um, she's running as a Democrat bigtree Jul 2018 #107

Primarying a sitting Democrat in a moderate state. I am sorry that is wrong. It is risking a Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #174

tell to the state's progressive voters bigtree Jul 2018 #181

I have different priorities...I want to stop Trump. I don't give two fucks about ideology this Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #186

Isn't that special? Stinky The Clown Jul 2018 #80

This is what democracy looks like. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #95

The Democrats of Delaware have a choice treestar Jul 2018 #157

Great to see the voters getting a choice. jalan48 Jul 2018 #96

Randy Credico supports Ocasio-Cortez. That scares me. Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #102

He's not the only one kcr Jul 2018 #118

And the sitting incumbents help each other and campaign for each other in numerous ways.... JCanete Jul 2018 #103

If she has yet to be elected to any office, who is paying for this "growing campaign staff"? ucrdem Jul 2018 #105

all of that is transparent in her campaign bigtree Jul 2018 #106

Actually we know very little about where her funding came from. 70% is "unitemized", meaning... George II Jul 2018 #110

more nonsense bigtree Jul 2018 #111

Right, they're unitemized so we don't know where about 70% of the contributions came from. George II Jul 2018 #113

small donors, George bigtree Jul 2018 #115

WHO did the money come from? We don't know that now, do we? George II Jul 2018 #116

we know the money came in contributions of $200 or less bigtree Jul 2018 #119

Yes, I do "give a shit about campaign finance", have been a treasurer on five small mayoral.... George II Jul 2018 #122

then stop this farce. You may fool folks here, but there is ZERO issue with AOC's funding bigtree Jul 2018 #125

The Intercept? You may want to do a little research about BGR Group, who they are, and... George II Jul 2018 #137

you really want someone with any seriousness or sense to look for scandal bigtree Jul 2018 #138

Lobbyists are prohibited from contributing to candidates except under the guidelines and limits.... George II Jul 2018 #139

the incumbents raised millions from PACs, AOC raised $300,000 in small donations bigtree Jul 2018 #140

You keep talking about "the incumbents" - is she running against more than one person? George II Jul 2018 #142

so obtuse. When are you going to stop campaigning against this Democratic nominee? bigtree Jul 2018 #146

She seems awfully flush for a yet-to-be-elected challenger. ucrdem Jul 2018 #120

she raised $300,000 bigtree Jul 2018 #121

If she loses the seat it won't matter how clever a campaign helped her do it. ucrdem Jul 2018 #124

first of all, her republican challenger isn't even on the radar bigtree Jul 2018 #126

Neither was she and now she's a national sensation. ucrdem Jul 2018 #127

there's the strawman I asked for bigtree Jul 2018 #129

Right, nothing to worry about, just like there was nothing to worry about in 2015. ucrdem Jul 2018 #130

I have to say bigtree Jul 2018 #131

LOL, I discussed her "policy positions" when Susan Sarandon joined her team ucrdem Jul 2018 #135

so character assassination, innuendo, and strawmen bigtree Jul 2018 #136

Seriously, what are you talking about? I named two of her "policies," you've named none. ucrdem Jul 2018 #177

you obviously have contempt for her bigtree Jul 2018 #178

Can I politely ask what are her qualifications? ucrdem Jul 2018 #179

maybe you should direct that to the voters in her district bigtree Jul 2018 #183

Why? She doesn't represent them and they haven't elected her to any office. ucrdem Jul 2018 #198

I think it's the other way around. From the day of her primary win she's been taking on.... George II Jul 2018 #141

Democrats criticizing other Democratic challengers in a primary is proper and expected bigtree Jul 2018 #145

She's not in a primary against: George II Jul 2018 #148

she's not campaigning against a Democratic nominee on DU bigtree Jul 2018 #154

That's not a strawman. That person did not attempt to rephrase anything that you said. nt stevenleser Jul 2018 #200

lmao... disillusioned73 Jul 2018 #128

I think they know exactly what they're doing bigtree Jul 2018 #143

+1, yes, we've heard all kinds of noise from Our Revolution that R B Garr Jul 2018 #144

Hope it was Bernie... good for him! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #133

Corbin Trent? lapucelle Jul 2018 #114

Off the cuff as one from Delaware treestar Jul 2018 #149

+1,000,000 George II Jul 2018 #160

Off the cuff, don't you think the loons are still on the right? shanny Jul 2018 #170

So, she's obviously not concerned that Crowley is still running. nt stevenleser Jul 2018 #161

I can see it coming. drray23 Jul 2018 #207

More democrat in fighting. lancelyons Jul 2018 #203

I have a feeling the Bernie Sanders is behind this. He helped EFF things up on the last election lancelyons Jul 2018 #204

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Thats a good point. She did make a mistake the other day and say help change the seat to red or som lancelyons Jul 2018 #206