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Captain Stern

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50. I don't think any votes were flipped at all.

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 11:29 AM

Jul 2018

There's just no evidence of it. And "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence" doesn't really get us anywhere.....because that also means there's no proof that we didn't flip any votes, like plenty of right-wingers believe about other elections.

I can see why people want to believe that votes were flipped....hell, I wish that votes had been flipped. But the reality is, we just plain, fucking, lost, when we shouldn't have. We underestimated how many gullible rubes that there are in this country that will pretty much believe anything that they read on the internet. That's why the Russian propaganda worked.

If votes really were flipped, then we have a bigger problem than just republicans being cheaters. It would mean that plenty of our team is just fine with it. None of our leaders have said the votes were flipped. It would mean Obama is in on it. It would mean the Clintons are in on it. It would mean Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Maxine Waters are all in on it as well. And, if that's the case then we are fucked so bad that it really isn't even worth bothering to vote at all.

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The Russians just had to flip 40,000 votes in three States [View all] edhopper Jul 2018 OP

Exactly! NRaleighLiberal Jul 2018 #1

And less than 100k for the Senate!! EndGOPPropaganda Jul 2018 #46

Russians wouldn't have known...... dawnie51 Jul 2018 #2

Yes edhopper Jul 2018 #12

Brad Parscale dalton99a Jul 2018 #19

The face of evil. nt SunSeeker Jul 2018 #42

Steve Bannon was in on this FakeNoose Jul 2018 #85

The bonus is mercuryblues Jul 2018 #90

Cambridge Analytica...... lastlib Jul 2018 #156

My question remains... yallerdawg Jul 2018 #3

How would they know if their vote was tampered with? mcar Jul 2018 #5

The results of all elections are public record. yallerdawg Jul 2018 #13

We can't track our votes sarah FAILIN Jul 2018 #32

In this case... yallerdawg Jul 2018 #40

First step edhopper Jul 2018 #43

Are you sure about the manual tallies everywhere exboyfil Jul 2018 #45

A sampling of ballots to machine counts is standard practice. yallerdawg Jul 2018 #49

I don't think anyone has ever been allowed to examine the programming for aggregating votes. Lonestarblue Jul 2018 #70

How complicated could a counting program be? yallerdawg Jul 2018 #73

Actually edhopper Jul 2018 #76

"Hackable" is not proof. yallerdawg Jul 2018 #123

I didn't say it was edhopper Jul 2018 #131

2017 DefCon Conference Lonestarblue Jul 2018 #97

These acts would require at least proximity. yallerdawg Jul 2018 #122

So, dawg, answer me one question, watoos Jul 2018 #167

Machines are randomly checked everywhere. yallerdawg Jul 2018 #170

Everyone Is Looking The Wrong Way!!! robersl Jul 2018 #72

Plus edhopper Jul 2018 #78

Exactly robersl Jul 2018 #86

Where are these "voters" I ask again? yallerdawg Jul 2018 #92

The same place the Florida voters were in 2000 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #105

These Voters Are In Heavily Democratic Precincts robersl Jul 2018 #108

44,000 voters protested? yallerdawg Jul 2018 #119

I'm Not Sure What Part of This You Can't Understand robersl Jul 2018 #127

When your name is not on the voter roll... yallerdawg Jul 2018 #129

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #104

Except for two things Lee-Lee Jul 2018 #115

Read This robersl Jul 2018 #117

This would not have mattered in Wisconsin forthemiddle Jul 2018 #133

Yes that's where most of the 'vote tampering' occurred. triron Jul 2018 #142

who says it can't be both? nt TheFrenchRazor Jul 2018 #162

Exactly watoos Jul 2018 #168

Georgia uses easily hackable Diebold machines with no paper trail delisen Jul 2018 #118

There are a handful of states that use paperless systems. yallerdawg Jul 2018 #121

Challenge is pointless-the machine recalculates delisen Jul 2018 #172

Mcar has a good question. Mariana Jul 2018 #10

I answered. Where's the evidence? It's been a while now. yallerdawg Jul 2018 #16

The evidence gathering was shut down! lark Jul 2018 #27

There is evidence of what happened. yallerdawg Jul 2018 #37

No Wisconsin was recounted in full. forthemiddle Jul 2018 #134

Really? lark Jul 2018 #140

Nope it was complete with one day to spare forthemiddle Jul 2018 #146

recounted by hand or machine? i'm pretty certain that the entire state was not recounted by hand. TheFrenchRazor Jul 2018 #163

Here is the data forthemiddle Jul 2018 #165

How would they know? edhopper Jul 2018 #14

Michigan - paper ballots. yallerdawg Jul 2018 #20

You feel confidant in the election count in 2016? tomp Jul 2018 #83

You know what wil change election counts? yallerdawg Jul 2018 #102

IF there is hacking of voting happening... tomp Jul 2018 #147

Most states and many more locations have paper trails. yallerdawg Jul 2018 #148

I'm not certain that all hacks leave a trail. tomp Jul 2018 #150

Is your argument that our elections are actually meaningless? yallerdawg Jul 2018 #151

Wow, that's way to much assumption for me! tomp Jul 2018 #152

The thing I care about... yallerdawg Jul 2018 #154

were those paper ballots ever counted entirely by hand? NO, but nevermind. nt TheFrenchRazor Jul 2018 #164

Which resulted in overvotes for Hillary MichMan Jul 2018 #74

I lived in Detroit at the time, and 400 precincts could not be counted because the paper ballot scan Meadowoak Jul 2018 #17

Wouldn't that be news? yallerdawg Jul 2018 #22

Exactly. bearsfootball516 Jul 2018 #29

It was. Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #34

How do they know that happened? yallerdawg Jul 2018 #41

This statement was in the article you linked MichMan Jul 2018 #80

We don't know who the extra votes were for. Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #88

Since Detroit is 95% Dems and there were overvotes in those precincts........ MichMan Jul 2018 #96

The votes were not "lost' MichMan Jul 2018 #77

yes and this would have been more than enough jimlup Jul 2018 #159

Here come the naysayers. triron Jul 2018 #161

Detroit was 100% hacked! Meadowoak Jul 2018 #4

A major city that has reliably voted 97% Democrat for decades wasn't even counted! Meadowoak Jul 2018 #7

I havent seen this, do you have a link Detroit votes not being counted like they were supposed to? uponit7771 Jul 2018 #9

You could start here RandomAccess Jul 2018 #31

Fuckin wow !!! uponit7771 Jul 2018 #57

Thank you for those links. Meadowoak Jul 2018 #64

Citation needed mythology Jul 2018 #26

See post #31 I was unable to link it from my phone. Meadowoak Jul 2018 #66

Seems i remember the next day Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #6

Was there not something about a ridiculously large number... 3catwoman3 Jul 2018 #15

Very much so. Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #30

THANK YOU !!! They're asking people to believe in The Magic Bullet Theory !! Bank Robbers set out uponit7771 Jul 2018 #8

I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't believe in the Magic Bullet Theory Awsi Dooger Jul 2018 #144

You know the pukes had already laid the groundwork shanny Jul 2018 #11

Your theory falls apart when you realize it's working backwards mythology Jul 2018 #18

Some by hand edhopper Jul 2018 #23

You thought you had around $28:000 in checking but turns out only $22,000... lostnfound Jul 2018 #24

What was that thing that Rummy said, something about the absence of evidence ck4829 Jul 2018 #25

Yes, but.... robersl Jul 2018 #69

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #106

Actually, Milwaukee one of the two largest Dem Counties forthemiddle Jul 2018 #135

K&R ck4829 Jul 2018 #21

I think they flipped votes in other states WhiteTara Jul 2018 #28

Here's some info RandomAccess Jul 2018 #33

Our country has been stolen. WhiteTara Jul 2018 #36

I know RandomAccess Jul 2018 #38

Of course we must. As long as sentient beings remain WhiteTara Jul 2018 #53

Your proof is the Palmer Report? MichMan Jul 2018 #126

A damn lot of Dems also think raising the question RandomAccess Jul 2018 #35

We constantly have elections with 10, 20, 30% turnout across the nation. yallerdawg Jul 2018 #44

They're not complaining about the machines RandomAccess Jul 2018 #75

no evidence of votes being "flipped", the attacks were to breed dissention and apathy among beachbum bob Jul 2018 #39

Yes that happened edhopper Jul 2018 #47

+1 ck4829 Jul 2018 #51

this is exactly why marlakay Jul 2018 #48

I don't think any votes were flipped at all. Captain Stern Jul 2018 #50

There really is no important difference between flipping a vote pnwmom Jul 2018 #56

K&R! edhopper Jul 2018 #58

Where are the thousands of people complaining? Captain Stern Jul 2018 #60

"I live in North Carolina. There hasn't been a single report in the media pnwmom Jul 2018 #87

Those links are informative Captain Stern Jul 2018 #94

You're moving the goalposts. You said there wasn't a single report of people pnwmom Jul 2018 #98

Well, no, that isn't exactly what I said Captain Stern Jul 2018 #137

Again. pnwmom Jul 2018 #139

I already said my statement was incorrect. Captain Stern Jul 2018 #141

You said it was "evidently incorrect" but that that didn't invalidate your point. pnwmom Jul 2018 #145

No, being incorrect on a detail doesn't invalidate my point at all. Captain Stern Jul 2018 #149

"Poll observer" was shorthand, sorry. She was a Senior Attorney with the Southern Coalition pnwmom Jul 2018 #153

Yes, she was talking about the reports she was seeing. Captain Stern Jul 2018 #160

You mean like not contesting the 2000 vote edhopper Jul 2018 #61

I guess Gore didn't really want to win any way. Captain Stern Jul 2018 #71

Then you don't remeber edhopper Jul 2018 #81

Gore lost because the Repukes scared the Dems from disputing military ballots. rzemanfl Jul 2018 #107

Many of us have been saying this since immediately after the election turned out the way it did. debsy Jul 2018 #52

Get Rid of the Electoral College. dem in texas Jul 2018 #54

Ok, how? Lee-Lee Jul 2018 #55

Well edhopper Jul 2018 #62

Ok for those- none show how Lee-Lee Jul 2018 #84

Here's How robersl Jul 2018 #63

And that's a more realistic possibility and fear Lee-Lee Jul 2018 #89

And we know the Russians hacked edhopper Jul 2018 #91

But We Did Notice robersl Jul 2018 #99

If 50,000 or 27,000 registered voters showed up and were turned away Lee-Lee Jul 2018 #110

I Think You Are Missing The Point robersl Jul 2018 #116

They would not have been turned away! forthemiddle Jul 2018 #136

Central tabulators Mister Ed Jul 2018 #112

No. That would be spotted immediately Lee-Lee Jul 2018 #114

I have indeed been part of an election at the county or state level. Mister Ed Jul 2018 #124

And that is only a few votes per precinct, I bet. Ilsa Jul 2018 #59

I wouldn't blame the press. Every Dem I heard always Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2018 #65

...like I been saying since 11/16.... joanbarnes Jul 2018 #67

I wish the Dems would just come out and say the election was probably stolen. gulliver Jul 2018 #68

And face it, they'd already be screaming day and night if situations were reversed LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #93

Yep gulliver Jul 2018 #111

That's partly true. They also had to be confident of Repub wins in FL and NC. LonePirate Jul 2018 #79

I was living in Florida in 2016 HockeyMom Jul 2018 #82

GOP know, they were counting on it IronLionZion Jul 2018 #95

If it works to sell "designer sunglasses" , or convince RWNJ's that Pizzagate is true, Fiendish Thingy Jul 2018 #100

How many pet rocks did they sell? world wide wally Jul 2018 #166

Millions. I still have one in the original box. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2018 #171

It is my belief that the low level actors who participated in this have already rainin Jul 2018 #101

"The problem is ignoring that the integrity has already been compromised." KPN Jul 2018 #103

No votes needed to be flipped -- Comey, Russian and trump lies, emails, damage from Dem primary, Hoyt Jul 2018 #109

from N.C. - somehow between Nov. 2016 and recent primary, my party affiliation was CHANGED Nevermypresident Jul 2018 #113

I get a printed receipt when I purchase something from a store... pbmus Jul 2018 #120

The key states that unexpectadly 'flipped' to Drumpf were all by 1% Rene Jul 2018 #125

I question your understanding of statistics....... MichMan Jul 2018 #128

In a 50/50 country... yallerdawg Jul 2018 #130

Thank you for all the recs edhopper Jul 2018 #132

Well said. I agree. Captain Stern Jul 2018 #155

Obvious to those of us who remember Diebold. Yet on DU there is a vociferous clacque blaming Hillary Hekate Jul 2018 #138

I've read the indictment several times. underthematrix Jul 2018 #157

About how the Russians knew what to do edhopper Jul 2018 #143

This! I've been screaming this since Nov. 9, 2016 jimlup Jul 2018 #158

The queerest thing about that campaign from my perspective here in PA bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #169