Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: The Russians just had to flip 40,000 votes in three States [View all]pnwmom
(110,336 posts)139. Again.
I said: "There hasn't been a single report in the media here about anyone showing up to vote, and being told they weren't registered."
Your original statement was clearly wrong and many MSM outlets show that -- to a degree that invalidates your point.
It could be thousands, but probably not tens of thousands."
You didn't say you were looking for "rock solid proof" of "thousands." The newspaper's report of this woman's account, based on her knowledge at the time, certainly qualifies as a "report."
What we know, based on conventional MSM sources, is there was chaos in election activities "across the state," but the worst in heavily Democratic Durham. We'll never know how many people gave up standing in line while systems were down; how many were handed a provisional ballot and came back on another day with enough information to get accepted; how many were handed a provisional ballot and never followed up; and how many weren't even given the option of a provisional ballot. On the basis of this lack of certainty, because of NC's own chaos that night, you want to believe nothing really happened.
But anyone who was watching TV on election night, except for you, apparently, was aware that North Carolina stood out among the states that was having voting problems, and Durham in particular.
And here's yet another of those non-existent reports -- this one from September almost a year later. Federal and state officials are avoiding investigating security problems involved in the software. The State of North Carolina is keeping confidential the report it commissioned, mostly based on interviews with poll workers, on the problems in Durham.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/us/politics/russia-election-hacking.html
Intelligence officials in January reassured Americans that there was no indication that Russian hackers had altered the vote count on Election Day, the bottom-line outcome. But the assurances stopped there.
Government officials said that they intentionally did not address the security of the back-end election systems, whose disruption could prevent voters from even casting ballots.
SNIP
In Durham, a local firm with limited digital forensics or software engineering expertise produced a confidential report, much of it involving interviews with poll workers, on the countys election problems. The report was obtained by The Times, and election technology specialists who reviewed it at the Times request said the firm had not conducted any malware analysis or checked to see if any of the e-poll book software was altered, adding that the report produced more questions than answers.
Neither VR Systems which operates in seven states beyond North Carolina nor local officials were warned before Election Day that Russian hackers could have compromised their software. After problems arose, Durham County rebuffed help from the Department of Homeland Security and Free & Fair, a team of digital election-forensics experts who volunteered to conduct a free autopsy. The same was true elsewhere across the country.
SNIP
While only a fraction of voters were turned away because of the e-poll book difficulties more than half of the county cast their ballots days earlier plenty of others were affected when the state mandated that the entire county revert to paper rolls on Election Day. People steamed as everything slowed. Voters gave up and left polling places in droves theres no way of knowing the numbers, but they include more than a hundred North Carolina Central University students facing four-hour delays.
SNIP
Her account of the troubles matches complaints logged in the Election Incident Reporting System, a tracking tool created by nonprofit groups. As the problems mounted, The Charlotte Observer reported that Durhams e-poll book vendor was Florida-based VR Systems, which Ms. Greenhalgh knew from a CNN report had been hacked earlier by Russians. Chills went through my spine, she recalled.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
172 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
I don't think anyone has ever been allowed to examine the programming for aggregating votes.
Lonestarblue
Jul 2018
#70
recounted by hand or machine? i'm pretty certain that the entire state was not recounted by hand.
TheFrenchRazor
Jul 2018
#163
were those paper ballots ever counted entirely by hand? NO, but nevermind. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Jul 2018
#164
I lived in Detroit at the time, and 400 precincts could not be counted because the paper ballot scan
Meadowoak
Jul 2018
#17
A major city that has reliably voted 97% Democrat for decades wasn't even counted!
Meadowoak
Jul 2018
#7
I havent seen this, do you have a link Detroit votes not being counted like they were supposed to?
uponit7771
Jul 2018
#9
THANK YOU !!! They're asking people to believe in The Magic Bullet Theory !! Bank Robbers set out
uponit7771
Jul 2018
#8
You thought you had around $28:000 in checking but turns out only $22,000...
lostnfound
Jul 2018
#24
no evidence of votes being "flipped", the attacks were to breed dissention and apathy among
beachbum bob
Jul 2018
#39
You said it was "evidently incorrect" but that that didn't invalidate your point.
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#145
"Poll observer" was shorthand, sorry. She was a Senior Attorney with the Southern Coalition
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#153
Gore lost because the Repukes scared the Dems from disputing military ballots.
rzemanfl
Jul 2018
#107
Many of us have been saying this since immediately after the election turned out the way it did.
debsy
Jul 2018
#52
And face it, they'd already be screaming day and night if situations were reversed
LiberalLovinLug
Jul 2018
#93
That's partly true. They also had to be confident of Repub wins in FL and NC.
LonePirate
Jul 2018
#79
If it works to sell "designer sunglasses" , or convince RWNJ's that Pizzagate is true,
Fiendish Thingy
Jul 2018
#100
It is my belief that the low level actors who participated in this have already
rainin
Jul 2018
#101
No votes needed to be flipped -- Comey, Russian and trump lies, emails, damage from Dem primary,
Hoyt
Jul 2018
#109
from N.C. - somehow between Nov. 2016 and recent primary, my party affiliation was CHANGED
Nevermypresident
Jul 2018
#113