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kenfrequed

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6. This was better worded than my response.

Tue Aug 7, 2012, 10:34 AM

Aug 2012

Personally, I am really tired of street crime taking such a prominent place in the news. But yes, I think it is important that our media actually treat 'Innocent until proven guilty' in a More absolute fashion. If anything they need to back off further from reporting on crime and punishment.

Of course in this particular case, the crime is particularly odious and the motive is probably apparent and the evidence is rather strong, but we still have to provide these rights, even to monsters.

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Is anyone else really tired of "Alleged?" [View all] dballance Aug 2012 OP

Is anyone else really tired of a fair trial? Renew Deal Aug 2012 #1

This was better worded than my response. kenfrequed Aug 2012 #6

MSM reports on what best fattens their bottom line, so they will milk this RKP5637 Aug 2012 #29

Of a dead man? cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #7

Interesting take on my thread - I never advocated against fair trials dballance Aug 2012 #14

But a responsible media SHOULD wait for a jury. joeglow3 Aug 2012 #39

Why should the media wait for a jury? dballance Aug 2012 #60

"Why should the media wait for a jury?" I can't believe you think that's a serious question muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #68

You obviously managed to miss my disdain for our current media dballance Aug 2012 #70

So the whole thread is sarcasm? You are actually happy that they say 'alleged'? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #71

Wow, such twisted logic dballance Aug 2012 #76

It seems to be a matter of "dballance knows the point where the media can drop 'alleged' muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #78

get over yourself muriel dballance Aug 2012 #79

You think "go to freeper-land" is part of an argument? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #80

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #81

I remember they called Richard Jewel a "suspect" & got sued. DirkGently Aug 2012 #74

This is the reason for using the word alleged, because of lawsuits. They still play it as guilty, freshwest Aug 2012 #83

Then you're agreed that mugshots should not be published IDemo Aug 2012 #24

Definitely pscot Aug 2012 #2

Not really. CJCRANE Aug 2012 #3

when the person doing the shooting is shot dead, they aren't "alleged" Bluerthanblue Aug 2012 #4

The media sometimes gets it wrong. CJCRANE Aug 2012 #12

I'm not basing this on the media- the police Bluerthanblue Aug 2012 #22

The police frequently get it wrong too. DirkGently Aug 2012 #77

I never said anyone should be deprived of due process dballance Aug 2012 #15

The thing is... CJCRANE Aug 2012 #17

Right, there was a gun-toting Sikh - are you serious? dballance Aug 2012 #44

Thankyou for the interesting discussion. CJCRANE Aug 2012 #48

Thank You. I was wrong. dballance Aug 2012 #50

it's just a convention Enrique Aug 2012 #5

The man is dead. When would you remove the alleged tag? cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #9

it might vary among the various newspapers Enrique Aug 2012 #16

We agree. I certainly disagree with the OPs as regards living suspects. cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #20

*Allegedly* dead. Robb Aug 2012 #55

I know it's a serious topic, but this made me lol. closeupready Aug 2012 #63

It's not a convention; it's a legal imperative frazzled Aug 2012 #10

The person accused is innocent until proven guilty even if he or she coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #23

"Legally" they are considered innocent. In real life, that tag doesn't mean the same thing. I do agr uppityperson Aug 2012 #25

I don't think there is going to be a trial jberryhill Aug 2012 #57

No. Sirhan Sirhan had a gun in his hands Marzupialis Aug 2012 #8

funny, but Sirhan Sirhan isn't the "alleged" killer- he is the convicted Bluerthanblue Aug 2012 #11

But would you have called him "convicted" before conviction? Marzupialis Aug 2012 #13

"would you have called him convicted before conviction"? What? No, then he was alleged, legally. uppityperson Aug 2012 #27

Thanks saying "legally" for the first time Marzupialis Aug 2012 #43

aren't we discussing the "legal" terms in this OP Bluerthanblue Aug 2012 #61

Ok we agree then Marzupialis Aug 2012 #64

no problem- Bluerthanblue Aug 2012 #67

Apparently, the jury is still out on this allegedly silly OP n/t Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #18

NO, I DO NOT! Courtesy Flush Aug 2012 #19

Actually, I think there are many corrupt police AND DA's dballance Aug 2012 #28

Which further bolsters my opinion Courtesy Flush Aug 2012 #41

You are absolutely right dballance Aug 2012 #72

I'm Happy to go with "alleged" when it applies. Jon-Benet Ramsey Case in point dballance Aug 2012 #21

Libel laws. X_Digger Aug 2012 #26

Exactly. It doesn't matter how guilty they may be. You're one hung jury away from a civil suit. Xithras Aug 2012 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Aug 2012 #35

I am tired of it in certain cases but understand why they do it, usually. uppityperson Aug 2012 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Aug 2012 #31

No. "Innocent until proven guilty" is what keeps us from becoming a police state. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #32

I never remember the media calling someone a murderer nichomachus Aug 2012 #34

Unintentionally ironic OP is unintentionally ironic. Brickbat Aug 2012 #36

Does anyone remember the Sam Sheppard case? BigAnth Aug 2012 #37

I think it is prudent for the media to use the term alleged. NCTraveler Aug 2012 #38

What days were those? Fawke Em Aug 2012 #40

You are wrong about everything, including the name of someone you are calling a murderer. Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #42

Take it with the ap nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #45

there probably isn't any doubt in these cases - but I would NEVER want to abandon the principle Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #46

I'm not.. MicaelS Aug 2012 #47

It's the appropriate term until after the trial 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #49

When do you think the trial is going to be? jberryhill Aug 2012 #58

For who? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #59

Sorry, wasn't specific jberryhill Aug 2012 #62

Not the least bit tired. It's a very important journalistic standard. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #51

But....but.... but!!! It coulda been his EVIL TWIN...! nt MADem Aug 2012 #52

You aren't the only person who's sick and tired of the Bill of Rights. DefenseLawyer Aug 2012 #53

I agree on the racist part JustAnotherGen Aug 2012 #54

I don't remember such "good old days" jberryhill Aug 2012 #56

First of all, I think your memory is faulty, MadHound Aug 2012 #65

In the case of a dead shooter or a suspected shooter... Kalidurga Aug 2012 #66

Generally speaking, it's the right thing to do RZM Aug 2012 #69

I prefer Red Mountain Aug 2012 #73

so you get to guess what is real news and fuck the legalities? oooookaaaay spanone Aug 2012 #75

It seems ridiculous in some situations, but I prefer it until a conviction is final. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #82

I am not tired of Alleged, because I am still an American. slampoet Aug 2012 #84