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Enrique

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16. it might vary among the various newspapers

Reply to cthulu2016 (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:54 AM

Aug 2012

maybe they have a clear cut rule, maybe it's a judgement call. Maybe the reporter asks his boss, "should I keep saying alleged now that he's dead?" Maybe we think they made the wrong call in some case, who knows? But to throw out the whole practice, I don't see a reason for that.

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Is anyone else really tired of "Alleged?" [View all] dballance Aug 2012 OP

Is anyone else really tired of a fair trial? Renew Deal Aug 2012 #1

This was better worded than my response. kenfrequed Aug 2012 #6

MSM reports on what best fattens their bottom line, so they will milk this RKP5637 Aug 2012 #29

Of a dead man? cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #7

Interesting take on my thread - I never advocated against fair trials dballance Aug 2012 #14

But a responsible media SHOULD wait for a jury. joeglow3 Aug 2012 #39

Why should the media wait for a jury? dballance Aug 2012 #60

"Why should the media wait for a jury?" I can't believe you think that's a serious question muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #68

You obviously managed to miss my disdain for our current media dballance Aug 2012 #70

So the whole thread is sarcasm? You are actually happy that they say 'alleged'? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #71

Wow, such twisted logic dballance Aug 2012 #76

It seems to be a matter of "dballance knows the point where the media can drop 'alleged' muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #78

get over yourself muriel dballance Aug 2012 #79

You think "go to freeper-land" is part of an argument? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #80

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #81

I remember they called Richard Jewel a "suspect" & got sued. DirkGently Aug 2012 #74

This is the reason for using the word alleged, because of lawsuits. They still play it as guilty, freshwest Aug 2012 #83

Then you're agreed that mugshots should not be published IDemo Aug 2012 #24

Definitely pscot Aug 2012 #2

Not really. CJCRANE Aug 2012 #3

when the person doing the shooting is shot dead, they aren't "alleged" Bluerthanblue Aug 2012 #4

The media sometimes gets it wrong. CJCRANE Aug 2012 #12

I'm not basing this on the media- the police Bluerthanblue Aug 2012 #22

The police frequently get it wrong too. DirkGently Aug 2012 #77

I never said anyone should be deprived of due process dballance Aug 2012 #15

The thing is... CJCRANE Aug 2012 #17

Right, there was a gun-toting Sikh - are you serious? dballance Aug 2012 #44

Thankyou for the interesting discussion. CJCRANE Aug 2012 #48

Thank You. I was wrong. dballance Aug 2012 #50

it's just a convention Enrique Aug 2012 #5

The man is dead. When would you remove the alleged tag? cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #9

it might vary among the various newspapers Enrique Aug 2012 #16

We agree. I certainly disagree with the OPs as regards living suspects. cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #20

*Allegedly* dead. Robb Aug 2012 #55

I know it's a serious topic, but this made me lol. closeupready Aug 2012 #63

It's not a convention; it's a legal imperative frazzled Aug 2012 #10

The person accused is innocent until proven guilty even if he or she coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #23

"Legally" they are considered innocent. In real life, that tag doesn't mean the same thing. I do agr uppityperson Aug 2012 #25

I don't think there is going to be a trial jberryhill Aug 2012 #57

No. Sirhan Sirhan had a gun in his hands Marzupialis Aug 2012 #8

funny, but Sirhan Sirhan isn't the "alleged" killer- he is the convicted Bluerthanblue Aug 2012 #11

But would you have called him "convicted" before conviction? Marzupialis Aug 2012 #13

"would you have called him convicted before conviction"? What? No, then he was alleged, legally. uppityperson Aug 2012 #27

Thanks saying "legally" for the first time Marzupialis Aug 2012 #43

aren't we discussing the "legal" terms in this OP Bluerthanblue Aug 2012 #61

Ok we agree then Marzupialis Aug 2012 #64

no problem- Bluerthanblue Aug 2012 #67

Apparently, the jury is still out on this allegedly silly OP n/t Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #18

NO, I DO NOT! Courtesy Flush Aug 2012 #19

Actually, I think there are many corrupt police AND DA's dballance Aug 2012 #28

Which further bolsters my opinion Courtesy Flush Aug 2012 #41

You are absolutely right dballance Aug 2012 #72

I'm Happy to go with "alleged" when it applies. Jon-Benet Ramsey Case in point dballance Aug 2012 #21

Libel laws. X_Digger Aug 2012 #26

Exactly. It doesn't matter how guilty they may be. You're one hung jury away from a civil suit. Xithras Aug 2012 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Aug 2012 #35

I am tired of it in certain cases but understand why they do it, usually. uppityperson Aug 2012 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Aug 2012 #31

No. "Innocent until proven guilty" is what keeps us from becoming a police state. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #32

I never remember the media calling someone a murderer nichomachus Aug 2012 #34

Unintentionally ironic OP is unintentionally ironic. Brickbat Aug 2012 #36

Does anyone remember the Sam Sheppard case? BigAnth Aug 2012 #37

I think it is prudent for the media to use the term alleged. NCTraveler Aug 2012 #38

What days were those? Fawke Em Aug 2012 #40

You are wrong about everything, including the name of someone you are calling a murderer. Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #42

Take it with the ap nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #45

there probably isn't any doubt in these cases - but I would NEVER want to abandon the principle Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #46

I'm not.. MicaelS Aug 2012 #47

It's the appropriate term until after the trial 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #49

When do you think the trial is going to be? jberryhill Aug 2012 #58

For who? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #59

Sorry, wasn't specific jberryhill Aug 2012 #62

Not the least bit tired. It's a very important journalistic standard. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #51

But....but.... but!!! It coulda been his EVIL TWIN...! nt MADem Aug 2012 #52

You aren't the only person who's sick and tired of the Bill of Rights. DefenseLawyer Aug 2012 #53

I agree on the racist part JustAnotherGen Aug 2012 #54

I don't remember such "good old days" jberryhill Aug 2012 #56

First of all, I think your memory is faulty, MadHound Aug 2012 #65

In the case of a dead shooter or a suspected shooter... Kalidurga Aug 2012 #66

Generally speaking, it's the right thing to do RZM Aug 2012 #69

I prefer Red Mountain Aug 2012 #73

so you get to guess what is real news and fuck the legalities? oooookaaaay spanone Aug 2012 #75

It seems ridiculous in some situations, but I prefer it until a conviction is final. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #82

I am not tired of Alleged, because I am still an American. slampoet Aug 2012 #84