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118. the Clay race wasn't even on my radar

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 06:02 PM

Jul 2018

...much less a subject of my op.

Reading comprehension is essential here. This isn't a post about Clay.

You are baiting me with these Clay posts. It clear from what you just wrote. Does it look to you like I have ANY interest at all in discussing the Clay race?

This isn't a conversation, it's abusive. Why don't you move on? Better yet, start your own damn thread about Clay.

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Progressive politics should not be given short shrift in Democratic elections [View all] bigtree Jul 2018 OP

� bigtree Jul 2018 #1

why? heaven05 Jul 2018 #8

I lived through the 1950s and 1960s. I remember when civil rights was considered to be a Sophia4 Jul 2018 #101

Strangely enough, it was DEMOCRATS who finally got the legislation through Hekate Jul 2018 #103

Right. Although the Republican Party prides itself as the Party of Lincoln. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #104

Such Naderesque threats. Now he's a useless fool R B Garr Jul 2018 #159

DURec leftstreet Jul 2018 #2

Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2018 #3

My problem is the current definition of moderate conservative Dem that many of them hold. kcr Jul 2018 #4

reminds me of the way some labeled all self-identified moderate Democrats as DLC bigtree Jul 2018 #5

How do you propose welcoming this resistance? kcr Jul 2018 #12

I'm a progressive bigtree Jul 2018 #19

You might have a point if it was just about that kcr Jul 2018 #20

she did say they debated from different viewpoints bigtree Jul 2018 #21

Wow kcr Jul 2018 #22

I don't agree that she 'fawned all over' Buckley or the other person. bigtree Jul 2018 #23

Yeah you're right kcr Jul 2018 #25

Buckley was a racist and a supporter of apartheid. End of story. emulatorloo Jul 2018 #67

she was commenting on his interview style, not his politics bigtree Jul 2018 #78

Slimy political tactics? Stop projecting. emulatorloo Jul 2018 #82

blocked bigtree Jul 2018 #83

You were apparently unaware of the facts about Buckley. emulatorloo Jul 2018 #87

I watched him for fucking years emulatorloo bigtree Jul 2018 #92

Hey dude I am not the poster who claimed she expressed "fealty" emulatorloo Jul 2018 #93

But he can stalk xmas74 Jul 2018 #145

Hear, hear. I personally believe you are spot on KPN Jul 2018 #80

LOL, that is funny that you think the Tea Party nuts R B Garr Jul 2018 #161

That's all well and good. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #6

Yep. This is exactly my point kcr Jul 2018 #13

One thing I've noticed about your posts... PETRUS Jul 2018 #7

Huh, Eko Jul 2018 #9

The OP was incorrect GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #15

K & R Wwcd Jul 2018 #33

Not to mention, Bernie is joining with Pence to fight a Lesbian Native American woman candidate KitSileya Jul 2018 #86

well I don't know. What are their politics? All that you listed is not a platform. nt JCanete Jul 2018 #97

There's never been a native American woman in Congress. KitSileya Jul 2018 #106

Was clarence Thomas a progressive just for being himself? That is nonsense critereon. JCanete Jul 2018 #113

so why work to defeat a progressive like rep Clay ? JI7 Jul 2018 #10

His opponent supported Bernie. No other reason GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #14

The common thread seems to be that these are all Brand New Congress candidates. lapucelle Jul 2018 #28

The thing that infuriates me. Blue_true Jul 2018 #11

+1. n/t pnwmom Jul 2018 #17

Here's one of the Democratic incumbents that Brand New Congress lapucelle Jul 2018 #39

Seems like they're just not liberal enough for our "friends" though. Squinch Jul 2018 #48

There are real fights to be waged. The MO race doesn't seem to be one of them. N/T lapucelle Jul 2018 #50

Exactly. And I distrust those waging the unnecessary ones Squinch Jul 2018 #54

It has zero to do with leftism and whether or not you supported Sanders in 2016. joshcryer Jul 2018 #58

Yep. So we'll lose a bunch of good incumbent progressives, Squinch Jul 2018 #59

Wash, rinse, repeat. joshcryer Jul 2018 #60

Far left voters who would stay home because they can't tell the difference pnwmom Jul 2018 #16

I agree. And POC non voters who now want in. Blue_true Jul 2018 #146

K&R. People are not entitled to seats once they are elected. Tatiana Jul 2018 #18

You have it all wrong Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #24

A few years ago I changed my political party affiliation from Democrat to Independent solely because in2herbs Jul 2018 #32

Well glad you vote for Democrats Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #36

You may have shut yourself out of primaries crazycatlady Jul 2018 #40

In Florida, indies don't get to vote in primaries. Blue_true Jul 2018 #148

If you're no longer a Democrat xmas74 Jul 2018 #69

Because the person identifies with democrats. Blue_true Jul 2018 #149

Well aren't you special. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #158

The far left IS NOT the democrats base, POC are the base. Blue_true Jul 2018 #147

Amen! GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #155

The thing that enrages me is the continuous minimization Blue_true Jul 2018 #156

What enrages me is how many liberals do not even consider that progressive is a dubious title GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #157

Spot on. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #165

I live in a conservative County in a blue state marlakay Jul 2018 #26

You will be surprised. Blue_true Jul 2018 #150

In the primary if you add all the dem votes marlakay Jul 2018 #152

Here's the smugness: Wwcd Jul 2018 #27

There's ALWAYS smugness. Based on what, I don't know. Purity, I guess. Squinch Jul 2018 #30

really? bigtree Jul 2018 #35

Do you hear yourself? ALL that matters now is that we get Democrats elected wherever it Squinch Jul 2018 #42

but it's not smug to assume only the incumbent can achieve that? bigtree Jul 2018 #46

Look. You keep trying to unseat Dem incumbents and Squinch Jul 2018 #47

it's as if you've never heard of a Democratic primary bigtree Jul 2018 #51

Its as if you never heard of Brand New Congress and don't Squinch Jul 2018 #79

that's the joke here. bigtree Jul 2018 #88

Sure, sure. Nothing to do with BNC. Except that's exactly who we're Squinch Jul 2018 #89

listen carefully, since you appear to be talking past me bigtree Jul 2018 #94

You keep believing you're just being unfairly misunderstood. Squinch Jul 2018 #96

I'd like to be treated with respect here bigtree Jul 2018 #100

Gee. You have called other's positions "overblown," "histrionics," Squinch Jul 2018 #110

I treated the poster with disrespect because xmas74 Jul 2018 #115

Oh, God, I know. I just am sick about the fact we are wasting all that money Squinch Jul 2018 #124

He'll hold it xmas74 Jul 2018 #125

LOL. I think it didn't go as he had planned it. I finally realized there is nothing to be gained Squinch Jul 2018 #126

I'm just a bit irritated that I'm not allowed the same xmas74 Jul 2018 #127

No, no. Don't start now! Squinch Jul 2018 #128

Just a bit irritated. xmas74 Jul 2018 #132

my thread. Did you forget that? This isn't just a chat room bigtree Jul 2018 #129

More abuse. xmas74 Jul 2018 #133

Oh, sorry. Did we violate your rules for your thread? Squinch Jul 2018 #135

I guess so. xmas74 Jul 2018 #137

poster acts as if it's something unusual for me to respond on my own thread bigtree Jul 2018 #138

Now you're not even making sense. Best to stop now. Squinch Jul 2018 #139

I'm not the least bit inclined to take your advice on anything, at this point bigtree Jul 2018 #141

g' night. Squinch Jul 2018 #142

You've followed me around xmas74 Jul 2018 #143

Progressive politics are NOT given short shrift. Some spoiler candidates are, but not progressive Squinch Jul 2018 #29

here you conflate progressive politics with what you view as 'spoiler candidates' bigtree Jul 2018 #37

I'm old enough to remember how splitting our ticket and whines about purity got us Trump. Squinch Jul 2018 #41

let's get something straight bigtree Jul 2018 #44

Has it escaped you that the stakes are rather higher right now than they were then? I guess it has. Squinch Jul 2018 #45

of course it would be 'smug' to think bigtree Jul 2018 #49

Democrats are Progressives also. When you berrate the Democratic Party you also berrate Progressives Wwcd Jul 2018 #31

it's only a 'broadbrush statement' taken out of context bigtree Jul 2018 #43

Why is Brand New Congress primarying this Democratic incumbent in red state MO? lapucelle Jul 2018 #52

I don't know bigtree Jul 2018 #53

Haven't you written about Democratic nominee Alexandria Ocasio Cortez? lapucelle Jul 2018 #61

Brand New Congress is also challenging this Democratic incumbent in the MA primary. lapucelle Jul 2018 #62

lapucelle bigtree Jul 2018 #64

So what's your specific beef with Rep. William Lacy Clay (MO-1)? emulatorloo Jul 2018 #65

why would you assume I have a beef with him? bigtree Jul 2018 #68

No one is objecting to these candidates because they're "too far left." Squinch Jul 2018 #70

Yeah lots of strawman arguments coming from OP emulatorloo Jul 2018 #72

And I wonder to what purpose? We've seen this before. Squinch Jul 2018 #74

He has a 'evil Dems/Du'ers' narrative he is in love with, and can't let the facts get in the way. emulatorloo Jul 2018 #90

You are kinder than I am. Squinch Jul 2018 #91

you can't disagree without personal attacks? bigtree Jul 2018 #95

As I said, you probably mean well emulatorloo Jul 2018 #107

You are apparently eager to have him primaried. What are your specific reasons. emulatorloo Jul 2018 #71

so it's okay for you to smear me here? Eager? Did you read my response? bigtree Jul 2018 #81

There is no shame in admitting you are uninformed. Your OP is a strawman you can't support emulatorloo Jul 2018 #85

"Any threat of these Democratic challengers keeping Democrats from regaining a majority lapucelle Jul 2018 #84

I actually do see some real corporatists, and we do have an aging bench bigtree Jul 2018 #98

It is not "natural" for first time candidates to stump for and send resources to lapucelle Jul 2018 #131

Lacy Clay is a highly respected progressive incumbent Democrat, one of the leaders.... George II Jul 2018 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Jul 2018 #136

Nobody objects to progressives running primaries... brooklynite Jul 2018 #34

Thank You. Wwcd Jul 2018 #38

Especially when the challenged incumbents are themselves effective progressive liberals lapucelle Jul 2018 #63

+1000s DinahMoeHum Jul 2018 #111

And, Sharice Davids in Kansas District 3.. not incumbent.. Cha Jul 2018 #117

+1,000,000 George II Jul 2018 #121

I respect your opinions. Blue_true Jul 2018 #151

LBJ was, and is still not, the favorite of many Progressives/Liberal lefts, empedocles Jul 2018 #55

LBJ didn't craft or accomplish that agenda alone bigtree Jul 2018 #56

Actually, King got anointed. empedocles Jul 2018 #144

I liked LBJ xmas74 Jul 2018 #73

it was just marvelous the way he referred to some blacks he associated with as 'nigras' bigtree Jul 2018 #76

No matter how many time money tells us to be more Republican... Orsino Jul 2018 #57

Honestly, bull. xmas74 Jul 2018 #66

forcing primaries? bigtree Jul 2018 #75

The challenger has done little to support the party xmas74 Jul 2018 #77

I didn't insert myself into that race bigtree Jul 2018 #102

The moment you posted you inserted yourself. xmas74 Jul 2018 #114

the Clay race wasn't even on my radar bigtree Jul 2018 #118

You keep responding. xmas74 Jul 2018 #119

claiming my op is bait? Was that a hit and run, or did YOU want a response? bigtree Jul 2018 #122

And now YOU are the abuser. Nt xmas74 Jul 2018 #123

Big K&R and a thank you from me.. mountain grammy Jul 2018 #99

I will tell you what's a mistake: the Calif Dem Party deciding to endorse Kevin De Leon ... Hekate Jul 2018 #105

that was a surprise bigtree Jul 2018 #108

They seem OK with targeting anyone who xmas74 Jul 2018 #116

And now we have Sanders, et. al. trekking out to Kansas to campaign against two.... George II Jul 2018 #130

I know. xmas74 Jul 2018 #134

Sanders' candidate is polling ahead in that race bigtree Jul 2018 #140

That old man is fckng tone deaf Hekate Jul 2018 #162

Most of them downplay Russian interference Nero Mero Jul 2018 #109

Read the history the progressive movement 1900-1950. Start with Woodrow Wilson and Huey Long. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #160

Very well said and on point. Thank you. egbertowillies Jul 2018 #112

I believe the problem isn't that our politicians aren't liberal... vi5 Jul 2018 #153

I recommend people people put on their critical thinking caps and ask why this underthematrix Jul 2018 #154

Here's the thing, Trump has so polarized us there's no political wiggle room. Yavin4 Jul 2018 #163

The definition of progressive changes as one travels the country. Kaleva Jul 2018 #164