I'm sorry, but I'm so tired of Harry Reid

[karynnj]

219. Interesting discussion

As to thinking people are trolls, it is true that low post count would come into play. However, there are some trolls who quickly get in many innocuous posts before trying to "troll". They are still easy to identify after they do this. In part, this is because the active parts of the two sides are far enough apart that there it is almost like they speak different dialects of a common language.

I was one of the people who had no problem when over time a few self identified Republicans posted honestly - but the reaction they got made them leave. I suspect that some moderate Republicans might at this point actually fit better as Democrats - even though on some issues they would be too conservative. Here I am not speaking of elected moderates, but moderate voters. These are people that we might be able to reach for their votes for President, Senate and House.

I think that Reid is underrated here. Both Reid and Baucus got hell here for not creating a health care bill with a public option (or was single payer). While I agree that a single payer system would be better and cost less, there were not enough votes. What they did do was to craft a bill that got the needed votes by the skin of its teeth - and that bill will gradually be seen as the start of actually providing health care for all.

I know many here liked Weiner and Grayson, but neither were really doing what was needed to actually pass legislation and BOTH embarrassed us. Grayson with an ad that included an edited sentence his opponent said - where the edit changed the meaning. Doing this is wrong when Romney does it (twice already) to Obama or the SBVT did it to John Kerry. At that point, he lost my respect. As to Weiner his inexplicable irresponsible behavior led to his downfall.