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Blue_true

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150. You will be surprised.

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 10:13 PM

Jul 2018

It all depends on how she talks to people and how good her voter registration efforts and ground game are. Sometimes you can convince the moderately conservative spouse of an arch conservative if you communicate well on issues that are important to that man or woman.
I remember that when President Obama won reelection in 2012, a woman in Arizona ran over and killed her husband with their new vehicle because he didn't have the urge to vote for Romney and simply didn't vote. Honestly, on some things he would have been better off lying to her and saying that he voted for Romney, unless she had some way of checking, she would not have known any different. My guess is that marriage was likely headed for a quick divorce because he may have been sick of her politics.

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Progressive politics should not be given short shrift in Democratic elections [View all] bigtree Jul 2018 OP

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why? heaven05 Jul 2018 #8

I lived through the 1950s and 1960s. I remember when civil rights was considered to be a Sophia4 Jul 2018 #101

Strangely enough, it was DEMOCRATS who finally got the legislation through Hekate Jul 2018 #103

Right. Although the Republican Party prides itself as the Party of Lincoln. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #104

Such Naderesque threats. Now he's a useless fool R B Garr Jul 2018 #159

DURec leftstreet Jul 2018 #2

Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2018 #3

My problem is the current definition of moderate conservative Dem that many of them hold. kcr Jul 2018 #4

reminds me of the way some labeled all self-identified moderate Democrats as DLC bigtree Jul 2018 #5

How do you propose welcoming this resistance? kcr Jul 2018 #12

I'm a progressive bigtree Jul 2018 #19

You might have a point if it was just about that kcr Jul 2018 #20

she did say they debated from different viewpoints bigtree Jul 2018 #21

Wow kcr Jul 2018 #22

I don't agree that she 'fawned all over' Buckley or the other person. bigtree Jul 2018 #23

Yeah you're right kcr Jul 2018 #25

Buckley was a racist and a supporter of apartheid. End of story. emulatorloo Jul 2018 #67

she was commenting on his interview style, not his politics bigtree Jul 2018 #78

Slimy political tactics? Stop projecting. emulatorloo Jul 2018 #82

blocked bigtree Jul 2018 #83

You were apparently unaware of the facts about Buckley. emulatorloo Jul 2018 #87

I watched him for fucking years emulatorloo bigtree Jul 2018 #92

Hey dude I am not the poster who claimed she expressed "fealty" emulatorloo Jul 2018 #93

But he can stalk xmas74 Jul 2018 #145

Hear, hear. I personally believe you are spot on KPN Jul 2018 #80

LOL, that is funny that you think the Tea Party nuts R B Garr Jul 2018 #161

That's all well and good. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #6

Yep. This is exactly my point kcr Jul 2018 #13

One thing I've noticed about your posts... PETRUS Jul 2018 #7

Huh, Eko Jul 2018 #9

The OP was incorrect GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #15

K & R Wwcd Jul 2018 #33

Not to mention, Bernie is joining with Pence to fight a Lesbian Native American woman candidate KitSileya Jul 2018 #86

well I don't know. What are their politics? All that you listed is not a platform. nt JCanete Jul 2018 #97

There's never been a native American woman in Congress. KitSileya Jul 2018 #106

Was clarence Thomas a progressive just for being himself? That is nonsense critereon. JCanete Jul 2018 #113

so why work to defeat a progressive like rep Clay ? JI7 Jul 2018 #10

His opponent supported Bernie. No other reason GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #14

The common thread seems to be that these are all Brand New Congress candidates. lapucelle Jul 2018 #28

The thing that infuriates me. Blue_true Jul 2018 #11

+1. n/t pnwmom Jul 2018 #17

Here's one of the Democratic incumbents that Brand New Congress lapucelle Jul 2018 #39

Seems like they're just not liberal enough for our "friends" though. Squinch Jul 2018 #48

There are real fights to be waged. The MO race doesn't seem to be one of them. N/T lapucelle Jul 2018 #50

Exactly. And I distrust those waging the unnecessary ones Squinch Jul 2018 #54

It has zero to do with leftism and whether or not you supported Sanders in 2016. joshcryer Jul 2018 #58

Yep. So we'll lose a bunch of good incumbent progressives, Squinch Jul 2018 #59

Wash, rinse, repeat. joshcryer Jul 2018 #60

Far left voters who would stay home because they can't tell the difference pnwmom Jul 2018 #16

I agree. And POC non voters who now want in. Blue_true Jul 2018 #146

K&R. People are not entitled to seats once they are elected. Tatiana Jul 2018 #18

You have it all wrong Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #24

A few years ago I changed my political party affiliation from Democrat to Independent solely because in2herbs Jul 2018 #32

Well glad you vote for Democrats Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #36

You may have shut yourself out of primaries crazycatlady Jul 2018 #40

In Florida, indies don't get to vote in primaries. Blue_true Jul 2018 #148

If you're no longer a Democrat xmas74 Jul 2018 #69

Because the person identifies with democrats. Blue_true Jul 2018 #149

Well aren't you special. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #158

The far left IS NOT the democrats base, POC are the base. Blue_true Jul 2018 #147

Amen! GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #155

The thing that enrages me is the continuous minimization Blue_true Jul 2018 #156

What enrages me is how many liberals do not even consider that progressive is a dubious title GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #157

Spot on. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #165

I live in a conservative County in a blue state marlakay Jul 2018 #26

You will be surprised. Blue_true Jul 2018 #150

In the primary if you add all the dem votes marlakay Jul 2018 #152

Here's the smugness: Wwcd Jul 2018 #27

There's ALWAYS smugness. Based on what, I don't know. Purity, I guess. Squinch Jul 2018 #30

really? bigtree Jul 2018 #35

Do you hear yourself? ALL that matters now is that we get Democrats elected wherever it Squinch Jul 2018 #42

but it's not smug to assume only the incumbent can achieve that? bigtree Jul 2018 #46

Look. You keep trying to unseat Dem incumbents and Squinch Jul 2018 #47

it's as if you've never heard of a Democratic primary bigtree Jul 2018 #51

Its as if you never heard of Brand New Congress and don't Squinch Jul 2018 #79

that's the joke here. bigtree Jul 2018 #88

Sure, sure. Nothing to do with BNC. Except that's exactly who we're Squinch Jul 2018 #89

listen carefully, since you appear to be talking past me bigtree Jul 2018 #94

You keep believing you're just being unfairly misunderstood. Squinch Jul 2018 #96

I'd like to be treated with respect here bigtree Jul 2018 #100

Gee. You have called other's positions "overblown," "histrionics," Squinch Jul 2018 #110

I treated the poster with disrespect because xmas74 Jul 2018 #115

Oh, God, I know. I just am sick about the fact we are wasting all that money Squinch Jul 2018 #124

He'll hold it xmas74 Jul 2018 #125

LOL. I think it didn't go as he had planned it. I finally realized there is nothing to be gained Squinch Jul 2018 #126

I'm just a bit irritated that I'm not allowed the same xmas74 Jul 2018 #127

No, no. Don't start now! Squinch Jul 2018 #128

Just a bit irritated. xmas74 Jul 2018 #132

my thread. Did you forget that? This isn't just a chat room bigtree Jul 2018 #129

More abuse. xmas74 Jul 2018 #133

Oh, sorry. Did we violate your rules for your thread? Squinch Jul 2018 #135

I guess so. xmas74 Jul 2018 #137

poster acts as if it's something unusual for me to respond on my own thread bigtree Jul 2018 #138

Now you're not even making sense. Best to stop now. Squinch Jul 2018 #139

I'm not the least bit inclined to take your advice on anything, at this point bigtree Jul 2018 #141

g' night. Squinch Jul 2018 #142

You've followed me around xmas74 Jul 2018 #143

Progressive politics are NOT given short shrift. Some spoiler candidates are, but not progressive Squinch Jul 2018 #29

here you conflate progressive politics with what you view as 'spoiler candidates' bigtree Jul 2018 #37

I'm old enough to remember how splitting our ticket and whines about purity got us Trump. Squinch Jul 2018 #41

let's get something straight bigtree Jul 2018 #44

Has it escaped you that the stakes are rather higher right now than they were then? I guess it has. Squinch Jul 2018 #45

of course it would be 'smug' to think bigtree Jul 2018 #49

Democrats are Progressives also. When you berrate the Democratic Party you also berrate Progressives Wwcd Jul 2018 #31

it's only a 'broadbrush statement' taken out of context bigtree Jul 2018 #43

Why is Brand New Congress primarying this Democratic incumbent in red state MO? lapucelle Jul 2018 #52

I don't know bigtree Jul 2018 #53

Haven't you written about Democratic nominee Alexandria Ocasio Cortez? lapucelle Jul 2018 #61

Brand New Congress is also challenging this Democratic incumbent in the MA primary. lapucelle Jul 2018 #62

lapucelle bigtree Jul 2018 #64

So what's your specific beef with Rep. William Lacy Clay (MO-1)? emulatorloo Jul 2018 #65

why would you assume I have a beef with him? bigtree Jul 2018 #68

No one is objecting to these candidates because they're "too far left." Squinch Jul 2018 #70

Yeah lots of strawman arguments coming from OP emulatorloo Jul 2018 #72

And I wonder to what purpose? We've seen this before. Squinch Jul 2018 #74

He has a 'evil Dems/Du'ers' narrative he is in love with, and can't let the facts get in the way. emulatorloo Jul 2018 #90

You are kinder than I am. Squinch Jul 2018 #91

you can't disagree without personal attacks? bigtree Jul 2018 #95

As I said, you probably mean well emulatorloo Jul 2018 #107

You are apparently eager to have him primaried. What are your specific reasons. emulatorloo Jul 2018 #71

so it's okay for you to smear me here? Eager? Did you read my response? bigtree Jul 2018 #81

There is no shame in admitting you are uninformed. Your OP is a strawman you can't support emulatorloo Jul 2018 #85

"Any threat of these Democratic challengers keeping Democrats from regaining a majority lapucelle Jul 2018 #84

I actually do see some real corporatists, and we do have an aging bench bigtree Jul 2018 #98

It is not "natural" for first time candidates to stump for and send resources to lapucelle Jul 2018 #131

Lacy Clay is a highly respected progressive incumbent Democrat, one of the leaders.... George II Jul 2018 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Jul 2018 #136

Nobody objects to progressives running primaries... brooklynite Jul 2018 #34

Thank You. Wwcd Jul 2018 #38

Especially when the challenged incumbents are themselves effective progressive liberals lapucelle Jul 2018 #63

+1000s DinahMoeHum Jul 2018 #111

And, Sharice Davids in Kansas District 3.. not incumbent.. Cha Jul 2018 #117

+1,000,000 George II Jul 2018 #121

I respect your opinions. Blue_true Jul 2018 #151

LBJ was, and is still not, the favorite of many Progressives/Liberal lefts, empedocles Jul 2018 #55

LBJ didn't craft or accomplish that agenda alone bigtree Jul 2018 #56

Actually, King got anointed. empedocles Jul 2018 #144

I liked LBJ xmas74 Jul 2018 #73

it was just marvelous the way he referred to some blacks he associated with as 'nigras' bigtree Jul 2018 #76

No matter how many time money tells us to be more Republican... Orsino Jul 2018 #57

Honestly, bull. xmas74 Jul 2018 #66

forcing primaries? bigtree Jul 2018 #75

The challenger has done little to support the party xmas74 Jul 2018 #77

I didn't insert myself into that race bigtree Jul 2018 #102

The moment you posted you inserted yourself. xmas74 Jul 2018 #114

the Clay race wasn't even on my radar bigtree Jul 2018 #118

You keep responding. xmas74 Jul 2018 #119

claiming my op is bait? Was that a hit and run, or did YOU want a response? bigtree Jul 2018 #122

And now YOU are the abuser. Nt xmas74 Jul 2018 #123

Big K&R and a thank you from me.. mountain grammy Jul 2018 #99

I will tell you what's a mistake: the Calif Dem Party deciding to endorse Kevin De Leon ... Hekate Jul 2018 #105

that was a surprise bigtree Jul 2018 #108

They seem OK with targeting anyone who xmas74 Jul 2018 #116

And now we have Sanders, et. al. trekking out to Kansas to campaign against two.... George II Jul 2018 #130

I know. xmas74 Jul 2018 #134

Sanders' candidate is polling ahead in that race bigtree Jul 2018 #140

That old man is fckng tone deaf Hekate Jul 2018 #162

Most of them downplay Russian interference Nero Mero Jul 2018 #109

Read the history the progressive movement 1900-1950. Start with Woodrow Wilson and Huey Long. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #160

Very well said and on point. Thank you. egbertowillies Jul 2018 #112

I believe the problem isn't that our politicians aren't liberal... vi5 Jul 2018 #153

I recommend people people put on their critical thinking caps and ask why this underthematrix Jul 2018 #154

Here's the thing, Trump has so polarized us there's no political wiggle room. Yavin4 Jul 2018 #163

The definition of progressive changes as one travels the country. Kaleva Jul 2018 #164