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221. Sanders platform was based on unrealistic assumptions about a so-called revolution

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 03:31 PM

Jul 2018

Sanders platform could never be adopted in the real world without a magical voter revolution where millions or billions or trillions of new voters would rise up and force the GOP to be reasonable. Without the use of magic, none of sanders proposals could be adopted in the real world. Sanders admitted that his platform was based on a voter revolution.

Sanders supporters also evidently believe that getting rid of super delegates will magically help sanders get the 2020 nomination. Again that belief is based on magical thinking. The best guess right now is that getting rid of Super delegates will not benefit sanders and will benefit Senator Harris.

I am very happy with the other new rule that will require that Sanders have to run as a Democrat is fhe announces a run for the nomination The quid pro quo for the change in the super delegate rule is a rule that will require candidates to be real members of the party. See https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/08/dnc-rule-change-sanders-supporters-634998

According to the draft rule change adopted Friday, “At the time a presidential candidate announces their candidacy publicly, they must publicly affirm that they are a Democrat.”

The draft goes on to require that any candidate pursuing the Democratic Party’s nomination for president confirm in writing to the Democratic National Committee chairman that they are a member of the Democratic Party, will accept the Democratic nomination and will “run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party.”

The Rules and Bylaws Committee, meeting in Providence, R.I., made no final determination on superdelegates. DNC Chairman Tom Perez has proposed prohibiting superdelegates from voting on the first presidential nominating ballot at the national convention. Rules committee members also discussed a modified version of that proposal, in which superdelegates would be allowed to vote on the first ballot if a candidate had already earned enough pledged delegates from state primaries and caucuses to win the nomination.

This rule is in effect the quid pro quo for the change in the super delegate rule

Sources familiar with the discussion said officials believed the rule change could help garner support for a separate bid to reduce the influence of superdelegates in the party’s presidential nomination process — a priority of Sanders’ supporters after the 2016 election. Both proposals are scheduled to be considered by the full DNC in August

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Sanders-backed DNC plan sparks superdelegate revolt [View all] Gothmog Jul 2018 OP

KnR Hekate Jul 2018 #1

The super-delegate system is not winning elections for Democrats. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #2

The superdelegates have not in any way affected the outcome of any primaries. joshcryer Jul 2018 #4

It's one person one vote, regardless of race, ethnicity, national origin, gender Sophia4 Jul 2018 #7

Super Delegates did nothing wrong...the oh the email voters didn't vote for the Democratic nominee.. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #16

No matter. If the appearance of something shady is there, voters who are sad or Sophia4 Jul 2018 #92

The only people pushing this measure are sanders supporters Gothmog Jul 2018 #150

So here we go again. kstewart33 Jul 2018 #196

The DNC just adopted a rule that I approve of Gothmog Jul 2018 #197

What, no more highjacking the Democratic Party?? dubyadiprecession Aug 2018 #329

I like this rule but I hope that it is not necessary Gothmog Aug 2018 #331

Right Me. Aug 2018 #233

We are the Democratic Party. We should conduct our business democratically. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #226

You are calling members of the Congressional Black Caucus lazy Gothmog Aug 2018 #227

Apparently she thinks ALL superdelegates are "lazy folks". George II Aug 2018 #230

CBC members are leaders of the party and are more important to the party Gothmog Aug 2018 #240

I just wish KGB talking points wouldn't be on DU Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #244

You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #232

You need to back off as you're coming off horribly. Black folks are lazy? Really? brush Aug 2018 #234

I'm in California. Superdelegates are not necessarily Black. In fact, most of them Sophia4 Aug 2018 #236

Yes she is really is making the claim that black leaders are lazy Gothmog Aug 2018 #241

Have you considered working on a campaign in real life? Gothmog Aug 2018 #242

I'm guessing this month-old thread was resurrected because the CBC is against any changes. George II Aug 2018 #260

I am hoping the CBC opposition will kill this idiotic rule change Gothmog Aug 2018 #279

I know of four who will be attending the meeting, none are members of the CBC, who are against it. George II Aug 2018 #281

"Superdelegates are a bunch of lazy folks"? REALLY? George II Aug 2018 #229

It is lazy to want a superdelegate say in the outcome of the nomination process. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #231

These are leaders of our party who worked hard to get elected Gothmog Aug 2018 #243

The ATTACK of supers and Nancy Pelosi is an orchestrated KGB operation Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #245

You may be correct Gothmog Aug 2018 #247

+1000 stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #276

So members of the Congressional Black Caucus are both corrupt and lazy? Gothmog Aug 2018 #248

Does that "bunch of lazy folks who want to intervene in democratic elections" lapucelle Aug 2018 #246

Good question Gothmog Aug 2018 #249

,,, lapucelle Aug 2018 #253

LOL Gothmog Aug 2018 #268

ONLY 'shady' one election year...never an issue any other year. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #159

And even that year (assuming you're talking about 1984?) it wasn't truly shady, it just.... George II Aug 2018 #261

Super delegates have nothing to do with one vote etc. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #20

You are correct Gothmog Aug 2018 #273

They comprise about 15% of the available delegates and are there to over rule the will of the ... CentralMass Aug 2018 #327

How are superdelegates a problem? Eko Jul 2018 #23

Again you are wrong as to everything as to how delegates are elected in the real world Gothmog Jul 2018 #71

Despicable post, you should be ashamed of yourself Kentonio Jul 2018 #141

Sophia4 has called all members of the CBC corrupt Gothmog Jul 2018 #148

Those constant distortions and inferences that primaries aren't "honest" R B Garr Jul 2018 #183

I agree-there are some who are interested in hurting the party Gothmog Jul 2018 #195

Rep. Cedric Richmond, the Congressional Black Caucus chair, blasts proposed superdelegate changes Gothmog Aug 2018 #265

They've already lost their first vote power. joshcryer Jul 2018 #132

The fight is over rule taking away the right vote on the first ballot Gothmog Aug 2018 #274

That is the reality, while some want to push the false assertion that is what happened in 2016, and still_one Jul 2018 #12

If they have no affect who needs them? Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #252

Why aren't more minorities choosen as regular delegates? MichMan Aug 2018 #255

The process is very political Gothmog Aug 2018 #266

They already have soft quotas in place. joshcryer Aug 2018 #271

So you want to reduce the number of delegates from states with elected Democrats? Gothmog Aug 2018 #280

Bernie couldn't even win a plurality of actual delegates... dubyadiprecession Aug 2018 #328

I blame super delegates for Obama losing. mythology Jul 2018 #8

What are you talking about? Which election has been affected by superdelegates? lunamagica Jul 2018 #10

2016 for one. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #17

Wow. Blue_true Jul 2018 #35

Sanders supporters feelings were hurt because super delegates refuse to support sanders Gothmog Jul 2018 #151

CAUSUSES give all voters the impression the Democratic party is not big on democracy. pnwmom Jul 2018 #45

I'm with you... let democracy work. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #58

Again you are totally and completely wrong Gothmog Jul 2018 #73

You are probably right that nothing is really "fixed." Sophia4 Jul 2018 #89

I don't recall there being much concern over superdelegates prior to 2016. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #94

I do. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #96

Examples? Links to articles? Garrett78 Jul 2018 #128

Do not hold your breath waiting for an answer Gothmog Jul 2018 #152

This is only an issue because sanders feelings were hurt Gothmog Aug 2018 #282

And? Some of us had no idea how they worked. They blow. Taht doesn't make me a fan of JCanete Jul 2018 #131

Well, they've been around for a long time. So, why the contrived outrage starting in 2016? Garrett78 Jul 2018 #133

again, not contrived.. I had no idea the shit worked that way and it pisses me off. Why doesn't it JCanete Jul 2018 #134

But many others have known about superdelegates and their purpose. They aren't remotely new. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #136

well what the hell would be the point of voting then, if somebody else was going to decide for us JCanete Jul 2018 #147

What's the point in having insurance if you're healthy or a good driver? Garrett78 Jul 2018 #158

viewed by who as unelectable? Surely not the electorate, since their votes..."would have" spoken. JCanete Jul 2018 #164

A superdelegate only gets one vote. 712 supers, 712 votes. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #166

a circumstance that makes each vote roughly equivalent to 10,000 regular votes. What exactly happens JCanete Jul 2018 #187

There are 4763 delegates (4051 pledged) sent to the convention. One must reach 2382... Garrett78 Jul 2018 #192

first, define "only in extreme circumstances". If the electorate votes one way, then clearly JCanete Jul 2018 #198

Such as damaging news coming to light late in the primary season or after the last primary. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #199

then you weren't paying attention to the news and the way the race was being reported, particularly JCanete Jul 2018 #201

I paid attention, but we clearly have a different take on the reporting. Regardless... Garrett78 Jul 2018 #202

people don't so often just go and vote for the loser...the person they think is already out of the JCanete Jul 2018 #204

Where did you get this stuff? Gothmog Aug 2018 #283

Should get rid of it. Repubs don't have it, and they vote more reliably (won't miss an opportunity Meadowoak Aug 2018 #278

This is bizarre. You are saying that a fabricated story is R B Garr Jul 2018 #98

If what you say is true, and it is, then we have nothing to fear if we end the superdelegate Sophia4 Jul 2018 #100

It's obvious your concern is not about fairness R B Garr Jul 2018 #106

I agree that caucuses should be eliminated. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #108

It is dishonest to imply that our candidates are R B Garr Jul 2018 #110

I'm not claiming that our candidates are picked unfairly. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #113

Talk about honesty, when you have to draw this much R B Garr Jul 2018 #117

So why have superdelegates if they don't really do anything? Sophia4 Jul 2018 #119

This is a contrived issue. When you look at the article R B Garr Jul 2018 #123

They give elected officials who are leaders of the party a seat at the table Gothmog Aug 2018 #284

I don't hate members of the CBC. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #287

You admit that you are not a real democrat and did not vote for Clinton Gothmog Aug 2018 #288

I am a real lifelong Democrat. I have probably worked in more campaigns than most Sophia4 Aug 2018 #289

You refused to support the nominee of the party and so I do not think that you are a real democrat Gothmog Aug 2018 #290

you DID NOT vote heaven05 Aug 2018 #291

What are you talking about? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #292

Did you vote for HRC? heaven05 Aug 2018 #318

That poster did not vote for Clinton and is proud of their vote Gothmog Aug 2018 #322

I think I have to move heaven05 Aug 2018 #330

Bragging about not being a real democrat on this board irks me Gothmog Aug 2018 #293

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #313

You are dead wrong. Super delegate are the off switch that prevents a democratic Trump. Blue_true Jul 2018 #165

Let the people, the voters and the delegates decide. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #168

It is a waste. Blue_true Jul 2018 #169

The Democrats are a POLITICAL PARTY. The SCOTUS has ruled that political parties stopbush Jul 2018 #121

So you are back to claiming that super delegates are corrupt Gothmog Jul 2018 #149

what actually happened is not the issue. lol lol . stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #277

I tell you what I find ironic. You are against SD, but you are all for Open Primaries, which perhaps still_one Jul 2018 #83

I have registered many, many voters. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #85

I don't care how many people you registered. If people want to decide who will be the DEMORATIC still_one Jul 2018 #90

I disagree with you. I think there has to be a way to encourage people to register Sophia4 Jul 2018 #95

I am in Northern Califronia, and the jungle primary is insane. We were just damn lucky that we still_one Jul 2018 #102

Have you ever canvassed for a candidate? Sophia4 Jul 2018 #105

Yes I have, multiple elections, multiple times going door to door. Also extensive phone banking still_one Jul 2018 #114

You can't make the voter's registration confidential because when you canvast Sophia4 Jul 2018 #116

Yes you can. You make the field of PARTY PREFERENCE HIDDEN. If you are looking to canvass just still_one Jul 2018 #120

This🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2018 #162

this nt heaven05 Aug 2018 #237

Superdelegates had no bearing on the 2016 result. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #86

That is not the point. Perception is the point. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #99

It makes it easy, perhaps, for unscrupulous people to persuade gullible people... Garrett78 Jul 2018 #129

Nope, it's not the point. You can't live your life based on other people's warped sense of reality. stevenleser Jul 2018 #173

If you want to win elections, you have to consider how people see you, how they Sophia4 Jul 2018 #179

Nope, you don't consider lunatics in your strategy. Focus on sane people. nt stevenleser Jul 2018 #188

You have to consider everyone including the sane and the crazy. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #191

We simply don't know. Kentonio Jul 2018 #142

Generally speaking, I think the media made the distinction clear. And the media loves a horse race. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #156

I agree, not good for perception, radius777 Jul 2018 #185

In 2008 NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #160

We should strive for the reality AND appearance of utmost fairness and honesty. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #163

Super delegates had nothing to do with Sanders lost Gothmog Aug 2018 #224

It prevents food fights in close elections...and I want it to stay...called the DNC and said so. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #11

Superdelegates give to voters who lose the impression that the election or nomination Sophia4 Jul 2018 #18

Yes, Sophia, if they don't make a difference, get rid of them. rgbecker Jul 2018 #21

Come on Sophia. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #41

Yep Meowmee Jul 2018 #125

exactly heaven05 Aug 2018 #238

No worries, Sophia, because "impressions" are not what is counted -- R B Garr Jul 2018 #51

If voters have the "impression" that the process is unfair, "rigged," then they Sophia4 Jul 2018 #111

Sorry, but this is leftover and very bad fear mongering R B Garr Jul 2018 #115

I respect your right to your opinions, but I disagree with you on this issue. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #118

That is bizarre you are saying superdelegates R B Garr Jul 2018 #122

I don't because heaven05 Aug 2018 #239

People have all kinds of impressions. We can't be responsible for them.Some people believe in ghosts stevenleser Jul 2018 #172

The system is not rigged Gothmog Aug 2018 #225

Spot on, especially this: "if they make no difference really in the end, why have them?" InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #59

Why have auto insurance if you're a good driver or health insurance if you're healthy? Garrett78 Jul 2018 #177

Again, you are totally wrong on the facts Gothmog Jul 2018 #74

If you are right, if as you say, Sophia4 Jul 2018 #103

We should not be dishonest and accuse people of things R B Garr Jul 2018 #109

Super delegates are elected leaders of the party such as members of the CBC Gothmog Jul 2018 #153

Why have them? They're an insurance policy. Like having health insurance even if you're healthy. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #88

What do they insure? Sophia4 Jul 2018 #101

Did you click on the link in my last post? Garrett78 Jul 2018 #124

By your own words. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #182

We should have no superdelegates. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #186

No answer. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #189

Are you surprised? Gothmog Aug 2018 #285

No. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #286

We are supposed to accept the opinions of non-democrats as to how the party should be managed Gothmog Aug 2018 #295

California DNC Member Suggests Superdelegate Reform Is Part Of Russian Plot Gothmog Jul 2018 #215

Wow! That is interesting! A so-called Green party R B Garr Jul 2018 #216

Yep Gothmog Jul 2018 #217

This is yet another contradiction -- now in this post you are concerned R B Garr Jul 2018 #38

Teach! sheshe2 Jul 2018 #43

lol, yes! That same ol' reality bending and blaming gets old. R B Garr Jul 2018 #46

I really had to LOL. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #65

You have no evidence of that either way since super delegates have never affected stevenleser Jul 2018 #47

Yes but Nina Turner said................. DURHAM D Jul 2018 #48

Thank you for trying, Sophia4. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #69

lol of course you are. JHan Aug 2018 #272

Why do we want to punish the CBC and the leaders of the party Gothmog Jul 2018 #70

Agree, also get rid of caucuses and open primaries. radius777 Jul 2018 #79

I think that superdelegates are no more trustworthy than "party hacks." Sophia4 Jul 2018 #91

Superdelegates are publicly accountable radius777 Jul 2018 #104

We do need a mechanism to deal with deadlocks, but superdelegates are not what Sophia4 Jul 2018 #107

Only better way would be voters going to the polls again radius777 Jul 2018 #112

2nd ballots will be a lot more common under the new proposed rule. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #200

True, but candidates have their chance radius777 Jul 2018 #206

Members of the CBC are "party hacks" Gothmog Jul 2018 #154

So members of the Congressional Black Caucus are lazy, corrupt and party hacks Gothmog Aug 2018 #267

Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Jul 2018 #205

Reducing or eliminating caucuses would be a start. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #3

Yep. Caucases need to go. They're undemocratic. joshcryer Jul 2018 #5

Yes. I agree. Caucuses don't include, can't include all voters. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #9

and OPEN PRIMARIES SHOULD BE CLOSED TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT REGISTERED DEMOCRATS still_one Jul 2018 #15

There should be a way for certain independents and third-party registered voters to Sophia4 Jul 2018 #19

Why should a non-Democrat choose the Democratic nominee? No it ISN'T complicated. Those who do NOT still_one Jul 2018 #24

As I pointed out, some people may, for professional reasons for example, need to Sophia4 Jul 2018 #27

Actually if you perceive that as a problem, that solution is very simple, just change the rules so still_one Jul 2018 #36

Agree radius777 Jul 2018 #82

Absolutely. They want to get rid of SD, fine, but the day the Democratic party opens up the primary still_one Jul 2018 #84

Jesus. OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #25

What do you mean? Sophia4 Jul 2018 #28

... OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #31

Ummhmm sheshe2 Jul 2018 #39

there is a way - register as a democrat. nt msongs Jul 2018 #33

I prefer closed primaries. Blue_true Jul 2018 #37

In my purple county, we had a serving Republican comptroller lapucelle Jul 2018 #56

I am somewhat confused by your post. Blue_true Jul 2018 #66

The Democrat won the Democratic primary and went on to win the GE. lapucelle Jul 2018 #68

Same here and I would like to get rid of undemocratic caucuses Gothmog Jul 2018 #72

Then you support the DNC rule that is quid pro quo for the super delegate rule Gothmog Jul 2018 #75

If someone wants to vote as a Democrat in Skidmore Jul 2018 #155

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #13

Yes. Caucuses are undemocratic and exclusive. They need to go. lunamagica Jul 2018 #14

"wretched timing" is a good phrase for it. joshcryer Jul 2018 #6

I stand with the CBC mcar Jul 2018 #22

I know a number of members of the CBC and I stand with them also Gothmog Jul 2018 #77

I iwll support getting rid of superdelegates when we get rid of caucuses. RandySF Jul 2018 #26

We should get rid of caucuses FIRST. LisaM Jul 2018 #30

Caucuses are the only reason the 2016 primary was even remotely close, so I doubt it. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #53

Exactly! This is why it's obvious this is just a distraction and not a R B Garr Jul 2018 #40

It's not a distraction RandySF Jul 2018 #42

True, I had to word it carefully, but you are exactly correct. R B Garr Jul 2018 #44

it is not up to a political party to decide on primary or caucus. DURHAM D Jul 2018 #49

Idaho Dems are going to a primary for 2020 RandySF Jul 2018 #50

How? Did the state provide an option? Or change the process? DURHAM D Jul 2018 #52

Rep. Gerry Connolly is my rep. Two thumbs up. n/t FSogol Jul 2018 #29

Do superdelegates always reflect the popular vote? panader0 Jul 2018 #32

They didn't in 2016 for West Virginia... k8conant Jul 2018 #87

Because Clinton won the overall popular vote. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #93

the democratic party should not aim to please republicans and other non party members nt msongs Jul 2018 #34

They'll still be able to endorse whoever they want. And vote. Just not on the first ballot. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #54

Having a little control by leadership is not a bad thing. EndGOPPropaganda Jul 2018 #55

There should not be a mechanism to allow a select few to change the will of the electorate in an CentralMass Aug 2018 #338

You're not going to like hearing about Jeffersonian democracy EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #339

I'm with the CBC.. and Gerry Connelly makes Cha Jul 2018 #57

Ditto! ucrdem Jul 2018 #60

Hey Aloha, ucr! Cha Jul 2018 #61

Aloha from burning asphalt h#ll! ucrdem Jul 2018 #62

Cha is four islands over from the Volcano Gothmog Jul 2018 #81

Bet he wishes he were there now. . . ucrdem Jul 2018 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author Midwestern Democrat Jul 2018 #63

I think Perez will probably horse-trade a little and make both sides happy. ucrdem Jul 2018 #64

Super delegates can vote at the polls like everyone else. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #67

Additional new DNC Rule-Presidential candidates must publicly affirm that they are a Democrat Gothmog Jul 2018 #76

I hope for a day when we do away with delegates altogether. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #78

Oh, FFS! Superdelegates make sure grassroot members of the party gets *more* say, not less! KitSileya Jul 2018 #80

That is a truly terrible excuse for superdelegates.. Kentonio Jul 2018 #143

Super delegates need to go budkin Jul 2018 #97

The super delegates should be eliminated. Period. CentralMass Jul 2018 #126

uh...why is it idiotic? Because some people's votes should cancel out 1000's? How weird that JCanete Jul 2018 #130

Historically superdelegates have wielded zero power - they have never determined.... George II Aug 2018 #257

Then first, why do we need them if they wield 0 power, and second, I'm not convinced JCanete Aug 2018 #270

The CBC are leaders of a key demographic groups which votes for real democrats Gothmog Aug 2018 #294

They have a seat at the table. You are talking about something entirely different than a JCanete Aug 2018 #297

Again, you are wrong Gothmog Aug 2018 #298

don't pretend its about the right to vote. Every superdelegate has the right to vote, like every JCanete Aug 2018 #301

The proposal is to strip members of the CBC and other super delegates of their vote Gothmog Aug 2018 #302

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #303

Again magic does not exist and sanders was not viable without the aide of magic Gothmog Aug 2018 #304

"I know you were there and I wasn't, but let me explain what really happened..." lapucelle Aug 2018 #305

What? We aren't talking about who was somehwere and who wasn't. wow. We're talking about JCanete Aug 2018 #319

... lapucelle Aug 2018 #320

uh...okay. Be well. Or don't. I can't tell you how to be... JCanete Aug 2018 #321

I am amused that you think that I do not care about the party Gothmog Aug 2018 #325

Nor can you tell me what to say. lapucelle Aug 2018 #333

I do not believe in magic and without a magical voter revolution sanders was not viable Gothmog Aug 2018 #324

I don't need the "conversation" explained to me, thank you very much. lapucelle Aug 2018 #334

,,, lapucelle Aug 2018 #306

Since you are NOT full of shit, and since that ATTACK is visible I want to make sure I say over and Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #307

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #308

No one knows in advance what "Supers would or would not do." We certainly know.... George II Aug 2018 #317

Supers and all delegates will do what is best for the party Gothmog Aug 2018 #323

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #309

Thank you sir. George II Aug 2018 #335

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #311

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #310

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #312

I am not sure what you are trying to say here Gothmog Aug 2018 #337

Not giving an opinion on... Mike Nelson Jul 2018 #135

Especially when he's not also calling for the end to undemocratic caucuses. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #137

I agree, the... Mike Nelson Jul 2018 #138

They absolutely didn't change the outcome in 2016. They never have. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #140

How are they an insurance policy? Kentonio Jul 2018 #144

See post #88. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #157

I agree with your analysis Gothmog Aug 2018 #275

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #314

This rule is being pushed to make sanders happy Gothmog Aug 2018 #300

Since he dropped the -D from his name... Mike Nelson Aug 2018 #340

I agree that it is dumb to adopt this rule just to make sanders and his supporters happy Gothmog Aug 2018 #341

Lulzd Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #139

They should absolutely be scrapped Kentonio Jul 2018 #145

Do superdelegates also get to vote on the party platform? dansolo Jul 2018 #146

The platform is written by platform committee and voted on by all delegates Gothmog Aug 2018 #264

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #315

Thank you Gothmog Aug 2018 #336

I'd back lessening the influence of superdelegates NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #161

Russia's working hard to defeat us on November 6. Hortensis Jul 2018 #167

This. I'd like to say das vidanya to some of our suddenly resurrected Squinch Aug 2018 #228

Yep Gothmog Aug 2018 #263

I still don't think we should have superdelegates. No one's vote should have the power to negate Vinca Jul 2018 #170

If I vote for the person running against the person you voted for, am I negating your vote? Garrett78 Jul 2018 #174

You may if you're a superdelegate. It depends on the final numbers in the primary. Vinca Jul 2018 #175

There are 4763 delegates (4051 pledged) sent to the convention. One must reach 2382... Garrett78 Jul 2018 #176

It's not fair. Vinca Jul 2018 #180

That's not how the system works. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #184

This is a sore spot for me since I live in New Hampshire. Vinca Jul 2018 #193

Breaking it down by state seems silly to me. It's the total that matters. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #194

We'll have to agree to disagree. Vinca Jul 2018 #207

LOL Blue_Tires Jul 2018 #171

Oh yeah! Superdelegates for me but not for thee. R B Garr Jul 2018 #181

more likely that was justification to stay in the race when so much noise was being made to get JCanete Jul 2018 #190

Magic does not work in the real world Gothmog Jul 2018 #209

I literally said in my post I ddin't think that was ever the expectation. nt JCanete Jul 2018 #212

Eliminating Super delegates will not help sanders but will help Harris Gothmog Jul 2018 #214

I've explained my issues with Superdelagates in the past, one of which major issue is how they are JCanete Jul 2018 #218

Magic does not work in the real world Gothmog Jul 2018 #219

The whole Sanders run was based upon moving the party to the left, which, if you look at the JCanete Jul 2018 #220

Sanders platform was based on unrealistic assumptions about a so-called revolution Gothmog Jul 2018 #221

You are NOT full of shit! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #316

Rep. Cedric Richmond, the Congressional Black Caucus chair, blasts proposed superdelegate changes Gothmog Aug 2018 #223

That effort failed Gothmog Jul 2018 #208

I was a delegate to the national convention and was at the Texas breakfast where we had a revolt Gothmog Jul 2018 #210

Pure democracy and the flaccid emotions of the masses bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #178

We used to have a right wing tirebiter Jul 2018 #203

Eliminate superdelegates, eliminate caucuses, close the primaries Devil Child Jul 2018 #211

House Dems seethe over superdelegates plan Gothmog Jul 2018 #213

Congressional Black Caucus chair blasts proposed superdelegate changes Gothmog Aug 2018 #222

"Disenfranchising" Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #235

You are wrong Gothmog Aug 2018 #250

Well here is one definition: Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #256

You do understand that the proposed rule deprives superdelegates of the right to vote? Gothmog Aug 2018 #258

Surreptitious insulting again? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #259

Word have meanings Gothmog Aug 2018 #262

Bernie needs to ride off into the sunset. PubliusEnigma Aug 2018 #251

Ballot access laws may help on this Gothmog Aug 2018 #296

Yes, the timing IS wretched... Fiendish Thingy Aug 2018 #254

I was at the convention Gothmog Aug 2018 #299

Here is the letter from the head of the CBC Gothmog Aug 2018 #269

GRU and GOP have done an amazing job getting Democrats to go against their own party Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #332

Super Degates should be eliminated, period. CentralMass Aug 2018 #326