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14. It's not just Russian bots.

Reply to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Sat Jul 21, 2018, 08:58 AM

Jul 2018

"Establishment" is an invective of choice (along with "corporatist" and "centrist" ) of Brand New Congress and Justice Democrats.

While there was an early course correction concerning Planned Parenthood constituting part of the "the political establishment", the irony of painting some long term legislators as "establishment" while celebrating others who have been in Congress for decades (voting with the "establishment" 95-99 percent of the time) as "fiery independents" is lost on certain rebels without a clue.

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The dividing of Democrats is underway. The latest I've noticed is "Establishment Democrats" . . . . [View all] Stinky The Clown Jul 2018 OP

Where does it come from? The same people who boosted #Walkaway ck4829 Jul 2018 #1

Russian Bots are good. sellitman Jul 2018 #2

For a fact. They know the best way to beat us is to divide us. Arkansas Granny Jul 2018 #3

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #5

"true progressive people"? You mean like those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for still_one Jul 2018 #8

I mean people with true progressive, ie, anti-corporate ideas, NOT influenced by Russian bots. tomp Jul 2018 #11

Because of divisive bullshit like that we lost two SC nominations, and a racist, sexist, bigot got still_one Jul 2018 #17

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #22

And how was it stolen? A significant part of stealing the election.... paleotn Jul 2018 #40

There is no doubt the Russian government was involved in undermining our election infrastructure, still_one Jul 2018 #55

There were a lot of contributing factors, and to ignore the contribution of those still_one Jul 2018 #43

Russia and the Comey were definitely PART of it, but there were other reasons too. LBM20 Jul 2018 #46

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Jul 2018 #57

Paul Krugman sounded the warning in September 2016. lapucelle Jul 2018 #119

I agree rockfordfile Jul 2018 #120

The Midterms are paramount Bamahombre Jul 2018 #124

Would you kindly show me where the media is calling tRump "Teflon Don?" Thanks. nt fleabiscuit Jul 2018 #154

NO EXCUSE for not voting or voting 3rd party when the stakes were so high. NONE! LBM20 Jul 2018 #45

I tend to agree. WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2018 #76

Absolutely, the corporations own both parties, but voting Democratic is absolutely essential InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #164

You want a party the reflects the GOP lock-step brain dead who just mumble Democrat bad. olegramps Jul 2018 #58

Nothing says "cultivating non-critical adherence" lapucelle Jul 2018 #79

That is a remarkable mistaken conclusion of the party and its candidates. olegramps Jul 2018 #91

It is an entirely accurate statement concerning all Brand New Congress candidates. lapucelle Jul 2018 #96

Some are confusing an endorsement with "relinquishing control of their campaigns.' AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #138

So BNC candidates have little to no say in their campaigns? George II Jul 2018 #99

They can write their own stump speech, lapucelle Jul 2018 #109

Well, that coupled with their lack of success so far this year, if I were a candidate.... George II Jul 2018 #112

They're also running a Republican-turned-Independent against the Democrat lapucelle Jul 2018 #113

They supported a republican in Arkansas earlier in the year, too, who lost. George II Jul 2018 #118

idealistic suprcali Jul 2018 #101

Tomp, imo, your view of Democrats is badly warped. Hortensis Jul 2018 #123

Oh BULL, tomp. "establishment" is just a broad brush Cha Jul 2018 #141

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ sheshe2 Jul 2018 #142

Gracias, she! Cha Jul 2018 #143

Welcome... sheshe2 Jul 2018 #144

Yup. fleabiscuit Jul 2018 #160

Hey, flea. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #161

+1 fleabiscuit Jul 2018 #159

Aloha, flea! Cha Jul 2018 #163

Republicans are the corporate party. betsuni Jul 2018 #145

BINGO!!! tonyt53 Jul 2018 #52

It is one party with various points of view. wasupaloopa Jul 2018 #9

That's the problem. tomp Jul 2018 #12

Horseshit! paleotn Jul 2018 #48

Please stop it. Most Dems are very close on most issues. A national party needs to be a big LBM20 Jul 2018 #51

I blame the "left wing" being discussed kcr Jul 2018 #54

We have a whole list of issues brought up wasupaloopa Jul 2018 #84

We don't need "more conservative or more anything than thou" saints dividing us either. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #131

Isn't it odd how "for the sake of party unity" always favor's the calcified old guard? Snotcicles Jul 2018 #13

Funny about that, the DNC platform committee which included voices different voices, incorporated still_one Jul 2018 #23

The 2016 election was compared against recent elections and it was found CentralMass Jul 2018 #64

I didn't say that those who supported Bernie in the primary didn't vote for the Democratic nominee. still_one Jul 2018 #75

Democrats must be united now, more than ever. No division! appalachiablue Jul 2018 #105

I agree still_one Jul 2018 #114

Wow ! Cheviteau Jul 2018 #65

This ageist shit needs to stop. joshcryer Jul 2018 #77

43,567 posts about how young and inexperienced Ocasio-Cortez Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #81

"Old guard" IS ageist because it ignores the value of experience. Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #88

I want new faces, that's without a doubt. joshcryer Jul 2018 #92

Sorry, I find this post offensive! pazzyanne Jul 2018 #31

Thank you, tomp.... Magoo48 Jul 2018 #36

No Magoo, it doesn't make you LESS of a Democrat... maybe MORE of one!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #63

Our pleas fall on deaf ears. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #82

With all respect, I doubt any of us recognize the propaganda we're reading. yardwork Jul 2018 #44

Those spitting out "establishment" Cha Jul 2018 #4

This is pretty much normal. It's really best to ignore what "Democrats" are doing and... TreasonousBastard Jul 2018 #6

that's what the GOP has been doing bigtree Jul 2018 #33

We're not that divided: We agree on many things. We can join together to win. YOHABLO Jul 2018 #7

I've asked for years what "Establishment" means. betsuni Jul 2018 #10

It's not just Russian bots. lapucelle Jul 2018 #14

"Rebels without a clue".. Cha Jul 2018 #15

... lapucelle Jul 2018 #21

This!!! Stinky The Clown Jul 2018 #103

Right, because there is no difference between... aikoaiko Jul 2018 #20

And Our Revolution, too. George II Jul 2018 #50

It's hard to take Our Revolution seriously. lapucelle Jul 2018 #73

I've noticed that they've endorsed some sure winners just days before the primary.... George II Jul 2018 #86

Rebels without a clue! betsuni Jul 2018 #146

Fuck that noise. A Democrat is a Democrat. GOTV dalton99a Jul 2018 #16

+1 nt NCTraveler Jul 2018 #29

Bingo! paleotn Jul 2018 #53

+1000 True_Blue Jul 2018 #108

There are plenty here attacking the left wing of the party Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #18

I don't think Brand New Congress is necessarily lapucelle Jul 2018 #25

Nor is Our Revolution. Their president, Nina Turner, has said more than once that they're open.... George II Jul 2018 #87

I'm going to take advantage of one of Nina's recent attempts to fit in lapucelle Jul 2018 #98

+1...The "spitting out" of "AOC," e.g. BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #30

True. NT Duppers Jul 2018 #32

Wow. Let's include all the hate for Bernie Sanders and his supporters in this discussion. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #19

Cut it out you silly dividers! DemocracyMouse Jul 2018 #24

Agree, DemocracyMouse. pazzyanne Jul 2018 #41

I'm hoping that Sanders isn't the next entrenched establishment candidate they set their eyes on. nt NCTraveler Jul 2018 #28

By definition he can't be an example of Democratic party establishment. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #34

I didn't use the word Democratic. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #37

It was always about the Democrat inner power circle... aikoaiko Jul 2018 #49

"inner power circle" betsuni Jul 2018 #56

Of course. OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #60

Heh. betsuni Jul 2018 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author charlyvi Jul 2018 #71

No. Of course not. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #61

Oh. Does Teh Deep State mean Obamas and Clintons? betsuni Jul 2018 #67

No, the Deep State doesn't involve retired elected officials either. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #70

"so that you can begin your education" betsuni Jul 2018 #74

I know, educating yourself on a topic is funny, right? aikoaiko Jul 2018 #80

Hey, love child. betsuni Jul 2018 #83

But he sure has benefited from his definition of Democratic Party establishment. MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #132

What's his definition of Democratic party establishment? aikoaiko Jul 2018 #133

That's for damn sure karin_sj Jul 2018 #93

YES YES YES Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #100

+1000! We absolutely must keep our eye on the ball this time True_Blue Jul 2018 #110

Who the hell do you think is waging the "progressive Democrat" vs. the "establishment Democrat" war? MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #173

Most of it that I see.... NCTraveler Jul 2018 #26

yeah, who needs those guys, anyway? bigtree Jul 2018 #35

What guys? NCTraveler Jul 2018 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #66

You can hav all the unity in the world but unless you have a plan to overcome the Russian/Republicon Farmer-Rick Jul 2018 #27

It's clear to me that Putin is funding this divisiveness, whether folks realize it or not. yardwork Jul 2018 #38

The Establishment smear is pure bull EffieBlack Jul 2018 #42

There are all kinds of reasons why establishment can be a problem because often it JCanete Jul 2018 #107

We both know "establishment" is the perfect xmas74 Jul 2018 #166

We shall overcome.... together DemocracyMouse Jul 2018 #47

Can someone please define "corporate Democrats" and spooky3 Jul 2018 #59

Imaginary creatures. betsuni Jul 2018 #72

I've been waiting for those definitions for about a decade. None forthcoming. George II Jul 2018 #90

Those who can actually win general elections. BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #115

Think about it this way... docgee Jul 2018 #68

"The dividing of Democrats is underway" G_j Jul 2018 #69

There is division only for those who want division within the party Kaleva Jul 2018 #78

The correct heading is ATTEMPTS to divide democrats beachbum bob Jul 2018 #85

No matter what label Democrats are given elmac Jul 2018 #89

I am an older Dem, age 59 MaryMagdaline Jul 2018 #94

Oh, please RandomAccess Jul 2018 #95

Yep, it's divisive BS. gulliver Jul 2018 #97

It comes from a sense that a whole systematic issue has led us to where we are, and that is money JCanete Jul 2018 #102

At minimum we need the House True_Blue Jul 2018 #104

There's also been an attempt to divide the LGBT community. Initech Jul 2018 #106

I just exited a thread that started out excitedly quoting Cenk Uighur on Bernie's 2020 chances... Hekate Jul 2018 #111

The same people who call Planned Parenthood "establishment" mcar Jul 2018 #116

+1 tammywammy Jul 2018 #117

Yes, you see a lot of it upthread. OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #121

The Steamfitters Union? mcar Jul 2018 #122

I know. It's sad. OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #125

... mcar Jul 2018 #126

Yours should be its own OP Stinky The Clown Jul 2018 #128

We need reform in our party and we also need to win this Fall. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #127

Would that it were so simple Stinky The Clown Jul 2018 #129

If Democrats want to win in November, our leadership needs to make an effort to insure Sophia4 Jul 2018 #130

I'm Good with that... how about we start by... Adrahil Jul 2018 #165

How about not vilifying any Democrats? Sophia4 Jul 2018 #171

Like I said, I'm good with that. But I will call out those who.... Adrahil Jul 2018 #174

Am I reading you right? Are you saying that all Democratic incumbents deserve our support Sophia4 Jul 2018 #175

When someone uses establishment democrats in a negative way Eko Jul 2018 #134

Yup, hardly anything more important than winning the mid-terms. LAS14 Jul 2018 #135

Congressional and Senate elections involve primaries. Primaries are necessarily divisive. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #136

From many places, it appears, including russians, divide and conquer, of course. elleng Jul 2018 #137

Tune it out DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #139

That shit comes from the evil brains jimlup Jul 2018 #140

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #147

Somebody accusing you of "hippie-punching" in 3...2...1 betsuni Jul 2018 #148

That's okay. It's history and it's true. It's also an effective tool to divide... brush Jul 2018 #150

I thank everyone who pushes back against this tired "establishment" propaganda. betsuni Jul 2018 #153

especially when it's pushed by and in support of JI7 Jul 2018 #155

Too much irony. Need a new word for this much irony. betsuni Jul 2018 #157

What a tired topic BlueWI Jul 2018 #149

Because.. it's Not an non-issue. It's reality. Cha Jul 2018 #151

We'll, it is a primary season. That's reality. BlueWI Jul 2018 #158

Yeah, they use that tired, stale word "establishment" Cha Jul 2018 #162

Too much scapegoating, Cha. BlueWI Jul 2018 #167

Yeah, Goodbye! I can speak out about Cha Jul 2018 #169

No doubt. BlueWI Jul 2018 #170

Only ones using that phase are trying to divide us kimbutgar Jul 2018 #152

+1 fleabiscuit Jul 2018 #156

urgent need for public education campaign on ongoing exteral efforts to divide us AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #168

It's no accident that Tad Devine and Paul Manafort had both their candidates pnwmom Jul 2018 #172

How is this different from disdain of "corportate Democrats" or "DINO's" brooklynite Jul 2018 #176

I think this upcoming election is pretty siimple underthematrix Jul 2018 #177