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PatrickforO

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237. Yeah, I have some doubts about BNC. Oh, their platform is OK.

Sat Jul 21, 2018, 04:12 PM

Jul 2018

I guess I'm just too libertarian-socialist to accept the kind of lock-step requirements they are foisting on candidates.

Why do I feel this way? History tells me. When we look at what Marxism could have been versus what it became under Lenin and later Stalin, it seems this approach by the BNC is a bit Leninist.

Of course, I'll be supporting Ocasio-Cortez and Wilder if he wins the KS primary. But...again I feel like our republic was set up to allow for vigorous debate. I mean, as liberal as I admittedly am, I actually respect and want all of us to sit down at the table and hash out the issues through vigorous debate. This way, what we come up with will be something maybe we're all not 100% thrilled with, but that we can all live with. Then we move forward. This is what the founders of this nation had in mind when they set up our three branches of government and put all the checks and balances in place. This is the republic we must recapture.

But first, we need to squash the American empire as represented by Trump and his capitalist cabal of billionaire freaks. Unrestrained capitalism and Citizens United do not make for a government of, by and for the people.

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KS-03: Ocasio-Cotez: "Let's flip this seat red in November" [View all] RandySF Jul 2018 OP

She''ll be here all week, folks... brooklynite Jul 2018 #1

Meanwhile Anthony Pappas is out knocking on doors and wearing out shoes. George II Jul 2018 #51

No, he's not oberliner Jul 2018 #104

I'm sure you have your thumb on the pulse of the campaign in the NY 14th CD? George II Jul 2018 #110

His campaign has no website or Facebook page oberliner Jul 2018 #115

Thank you wonkwest Jul 2018 #164

The hostility towards her is strange and somewhat inexplicable oberliner Jul 2018 #200

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #234

I don't find it at all inexplicable, given her political experience. (n/t) Jim Lane Jul 2018 #252

Sometimes a cigar, is not a cigar... GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #2

Wtf??? Docreed2003 Jul 2018 #3

so she misspoke bigtree Jul 2018 #4

Lol. I seem to remember someone else using that excuse in the last couple of days. Squinch Jul 2018 #12

Is it "would" or "wouldn't"? We also hear earlier in the week that.... George II Jul 2018 #39

good lord bigtree Jul 2018 #54

pathetic? sheshe2 Jul 2018 #62

I wasn't smearing the candidate. I was pointing out the lameness of YOUR excuse for the candidate. Squinch Jul 2018 #83

You most certainly were melman Jul 2018 #149

Yet here you are smearing a duer. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #155

No I absolutely did not melman Jul 2018 #156

Well you absolutely did. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #162

Not even a little melman, but nice try. Squinch Jul 2018 #173

You take every comment in a KANSAS primary as a "strategy against AOC" in NY14? George II Jul 2018 #120

this isn't a thread about the Kansas primary bigtree Jul 2018 #180

Is she not the one who is quoted in the OP, and did she not say it in Kansas? George II Jul 2018 #198

Yes, the context made it obvious what Trump had actually meant to say (which is what he said) oberliner Jul 2018 #109

Yes. She must have meant to say "NOT-red." Hortensis Jul 2018 #184

Well, she did just make a trip of the tongue, which should Squinch Jul 2018 #191

Mindless partisanship. OR and Sanders supporters Hortensis Jul 2018 #199

that is fucking stupid. Wow. absolutely different, and she obviously mispoke here, because you JCanete Jul 2018 #209

She misspoke and Sanders breathlessly tweeted it to the world as if it was a great thing to say. Squinch Jul 2018 #217

hehe....oh I see, yeah, its dog-whistle politics to his red base. After all that's who his JCanete Jul 2018 #220

OK, but then you tell me: what is this about? I have no problem with her misspeaking. But then Squinch Jul 2018 #222

I don't know...maybe they did a quick video and put it on and nobody noticed in the activity that JCanete Jul 2018 #224

And a day later it isn't taken down. You don't find that in the least bit odd? I think Squinch Jul 2018 #226

It's still in BS's twitter feed 20 hours later. lapucelle Jul 2018 #232

And Sanders tweeted the gaffe. OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #36

Oh boy.. that he did. Cha Jul 2018 #58

NO! He repeated it? Someone should tell them where they are, dang! Wwcd Jul 2018 #61

We still in Kansas? sheshe2 Jul 2018 #66

Ha! No shit. Man this is frightful. "Flip the seat RED!" Wwcd Jul 2018 #72

Half dozen gaffs? sheshe2 Jul 2018 #89

Wth is their problem? Trust & believability is kinda a big deal in a campaign. Wwcd Jul 2018 #96

Could it have meant another red party? TexasTowelie Jul 2018 #138

No, he didn't oberliner Jul 2018 #106

It wasn't till he put it out there for the world to see. Now it is. Squinch Jul 2018 #123

The important thing is making sure a Democrat wins the seat oberliner Jul 2018 #125

For once we agree. But I'm very eager for the day when OC starts working against republicans. Squinch Jul 2018 #172

Weak. OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #134

She's new to politics, but her heart is in the right place oberliner Jul 2018 #137

I don't live in New York. OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #142

It used to be Hector Sigala oberliner Jul 2018 #143

No thanks on the "great article" about a Twitter Bro. OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #147

All here who can will keep up our end if the bargain. We will vote for her. Squinch Jul 2018 #192

Maybe it wasn't a gaffe peggysue2 Jul 2018 #261

misspoke sheshe2 Jul 2018 #43

This is starting to sound like Yossarian in Catch-22 George II Jul 2018 #52

Yep. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #57

Says she misspoke on Israel. RandySF Jul 2018 #65

Forgot that one. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #70

Oh yes.. she attacked Israel and then admitted Cha Jul 2018 #87

Thanks, she.. it is not just one Misspoke. And, as Cha Jul 2018 #91

How the HELL do you make a mistake like that? "Red" and "blue" aren't similar words. nt pnwmom Jul 2018 #60

It happens oberliner Jul 2018 #108

Sure, not a big deal. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #133

She wasn't expecting this amount of focus and attention oberliner Jul 2018 #136

So. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #150

Miss Spoke! Me. Jul 2018 #238

Lol sheshe2 Jul 2018 #241

well you go on and pretend she was promoting the republican opposition bigtree Jul 2018 #179

No thanks. VOTE Blue for Sharice Davids. she's got more creds for women, minorities, & families than Wwcd Jul 2018 #5

there's another woman running bigtree Jul 2018 #6

No the stupidity is buying what Cenk is selling & why he's selling it under the DEM label. Wwcd Jul 2018 #8

blah,blah blah bigtree Jul 2018 #11

Bla bla bla is correct, judging by that big misspeak Wwcd Jul 2018 #15

that's all you have? bigtree Jul 2018 #19

That's a Pretty Big Misspeak! And naah, I have much more! Wwcd Jul 2018 #23

Bazinga! George II Jul 2018 #78

Bwahahahaha sheshe2 Jul 2018 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Jul 2018 #23

There is that campaign contribution from JP Morgan Chase... lapucelle Jul 2018 #119

Is that the Cenk that accepted $M in conservative money and resigned from Justice Democrats.... George II Jul 2018 #64

Nor the Big corporate money candidate either. In fact, she comes with everything the Wwcd Jul 2018 #76

Is there polling that says he's leading? N/T lapucelle Jul 2018 #10

I can't find a recent one, but he had been leading the pack bigtree Jul 2018 #16

That was an internal campaign poll a few months back RandySF Jul 2018 #67

This sure is going to help their candidate. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #77

I have a link to the actual poll that Fox News is referencing. lapucelle Jul 2018 #107

Unfortunately there's been only one "poll" for the Dem/rep race (not the primary race)..... George II Jul 2018 #73

No reason to wonder why. Obvious is obvious. Kaleva Jul 2018 #14

there's actually little daylight between the four major Democrats' views bigtree Jul 2018 #21

If I was a voter in that district, it'd be tough to choose who to vote for. Kaleva Jul 2018 #25

Isn't that what BS and AOC are doing? sheshe2 Jul 2018 #82

Well that's a good question Sheshe! And an important one that deserves an answer too. Wwcd Jul 2018 #101

All things being equal (which it's not), I would choose the Native American woman.... George II Jul 2018 #97

In a different state oberliner Jul 2018 #111

She worked for a law firm in Kansas City on economic development issues for Native Americans. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #167

Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is in South Dakota oberliner Jul 2018 #171

She worked to help Native Americans in SD, like she did in KC. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #202

Mahalo for all that additional info on what Sharice Davids Cha Jul 2018 #245

Thank you, Cha, for all your posts about Sharice Davids. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #247

Here's a fresh one! Cha Jul 2018 #250

To quote a poster in this very thread: George II Jul 2018 #206

Yes, in South Dakota. Although the state of Kansas has more than three times the population... George II Jul 2018 #203

And she would be a very good choice! Kaleva Jul 2018 #185

Well, I sure as heck don't want to "flip this seat red"!!!! George II Jul 2018 #55

Thank you @sharicedavids for being a voice for other human beings whose voices are pushed to the.. Cha Jul 2018 #18

What about Cindi Mayweather? oberliner Jul 2018 #128

You support your candidate and I'll support mine. Cha Jul 2018 #140

I'm guessing you're not a big fan of Janelle Monae's music oberliner Jul 2018 #141

No, I didn't know that.. But I do know that Janelle Monae Cha Jul 2018 #144

No problem - it was just meant as a light-hearted joke oberliner Jul 2018 #146

Educated LGBT Native woman who is also an ex MMA fighter obamanut2012 Jul 2018 #177

It Would Be Helpful If Someone Sat Her Down Me. Jul 2018 #7

support in her district is 6-1 bigtree Jul 2018 #9

My Concern Is That We Keep The Seat Dem Me. Jul 2018 #17

Bingo!!! sheshe2 Jul 2018 #53

That Is Exactly My Point Me. Jul 2018 #68

Exactly, me. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #71

Feingold should've been a shoo in. joshcryer Jul 2018 #102

She will win and it won't be close oberliner Jul 2018 #118

My point. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #158

Amen JustAnotherGen Jul 2018 #170

Exactly, JAG. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #215

The same is not true for all the seats outside her state where Squinch Jul 2018 #174

Hmm, I seem to remember that Joseph Crowley was being criticized a month ago for.... George II Jul 2018 #187

Still, get back there for crying out loud! treestar Jul 2018 #208

because she's like in another country bigtree Jul 2018 #231

Would be weird if she wins all the districts other than her own treestar Jul 2018 #257

Pappas is not out campaigning in the district - he isn't interested in winning the seat oberliner Jul 2018 #103

One Must Hope Me. Jul 2018 #196

I bet the JPRs got a collective stiffy RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #13

Rofl & They can't believe their luck.! Wwcd Jul 2018 #20

anything's possible with all of the ratfucking going on bigtree Jul 2018 #22

Haaahaaa!!! Someone supporting a dui arrest & failed child support record Wwcd Jul 2018 #31

... Me. Jul 2018 #34

all I see here are DUers campaigning against other Democrats bigtree Jul 2018 #37

Yup. Sure looks slippery alright! Did you see that headline!! I mean, c'mon! Wwcd Jul 2018 #42

Um, all democrats are fair game in primaries. joshcryer Jul 2018 #56

AOC won her primary bigtree Jul 2018 #63

That it is. H2O Man Jul 2018 #74

I don't agree with meddling in another states primaries... joshcryer Jul 2018 #85

What makes Davids a better candidate than Welder? oberliner Jul 2018 #131

Welder isn't even from Kansas. joshcryer Jul 2018 #151

that's * spin bigtree Jul 2018 #178

Not really. There are many factors that raise some serious red flags in the trust dept. Wwcd Jul 2018 #81

No there really aren't melman Jul 2018 #154

Sure, someone caught her misspeaking. joshcryer Jul 2018 #84

This whole episode is strange. lapucelle Jul 2018 #145

I agree with you sentiment, overall. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #98

I sure hope you're WRONG, joshcryer! Cha Jul 2018 #79

She does, but Cha, she has so much working against her. joshcryer Jul 2018 #86

I know.. but Sharice is a Fighter! And, she's Cha Jul 2018 #95

I know, I'm all over her Twitter feed. joshcryer Jul 2018 #99

Emiily's List supports campaigns of Women who stand on the side of Women & Family. Wwcd Jul 2018 #114

Bashing Emily's List is absolutely absurd. joshcryer Jul 2018 #116

Thanks for the tweet links and being all over it.. I just replied to you! Cha Jul 2018 #117

Hmm, try this tweet thread then: joshcryer Jul 2018 #122

Thanks! There won't be much to follow Cha Jul 2018 #135

Do show where anyone here cheered that on. Squinch Jul 2018 #124

. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #92

loloololololololo JHan Jul 2018 #239

(-)(-) Stinky The Clown Jul 2018 #26

Brent Welder is a Dem as well Bettie Jul 2018 #27

Glenn Greenwald would have screamed bloody murder RandySF Jul 2018 #28

I'm not asking about Greenwald... Bettie Jul 2018 #30

Exactly, remember the brouhaha back in the spring in Texas when the DCCC endorsed.... George II Jul 2018 #33

B.I.N.G.O.!!! I'can't wait for the explanation. Wwcd Jul 2018 #47

no, you're correct, it means support Dems of your choice bigtree Jul 2018 #41

Yes, it's hypocritical bullshit. CentralMass Jul 2018 #75

WTF? Why are Democrats in Kansas trying to "flip" seats red? George II Jul 2018 #29

yeah bigtree Jul 2018 #32

What did she say? George II Jul 2018 #35

it was a gaffe bigtree Jul 2018 #45

I think people don't like double standards. betsuni Jul 2018 #130

Yes, where's the One Standard!? "Feet to the Fire". Cha Jul 2018 #148

She seems to have a lot of gaffes BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #194

Yup. We all see it too. Wwcd Jul 2018 #44

And Sanders tweeted it. Squinch Jul 2018 #175

Its almost like they WANTED the Red word to be heard. Wwcd Jul 2018 #201

It will turn up somewhere in an ad. lapucelle Jul 2018 #228

Good question. Just a misspeak. A slip of the tongue perhaps. Wwcd Jul 2018 #38

I can guess why, but it's getting late on a Friday! George II Jul 2018 #40

Well you do have a point George! I was going to answer "Money & "Media", but we already know that Wwcd Jul 2018 #59

You have to know she sees Davids as the better candidate. joshcryer Jul 2018 #50

Yes. If that's the kind of Rep she'll be in the House should she not lose to Crowley, Wwcd Jul 2018 #69

"Rising star" status. Celebrity status. joshcryer Jul 2018 #80

Telling the straight up truth there Joshcryer. Wwcd Jul 2018 #88

Welder fought for the Our Revolution endorsement going back to summer 2017. joshcryer Jul 2018 #94

If they all have the same platform, why do you say Davids is the best candidate? oberliner Jul 2018 #126

They don't all have the same platform and it's an important distinction. ucrdem Jul 2018 #183

Unique background, true grassroots status. joshcryer Jul 2018 #190

I call bullshit on that dansolo Jul 2018 #176

She didn't say one negative thing about Davids in her speech last night. joshcryer Jul 2018 #189

I want Sharice Davids to Flip it BLUE!!! Cha Jul 2018 #46

Sharice has my support also. This is a great tribute to her Wwcd Jul 2018 #93

I'm sending Sharice MONEY! Cha Jul 2018 #105

Me Too, Cha.. I'll send it thru Emily's List & request it be directed to Sharice David. Wwcd Jul 2018 #121

Mahalo for that, Wwcd! Here it is! Cha Jul 2018 #127

And thank you Cha Me. Jul 2018 #197

They were the topic of the five on faux noise....... a kennedy Jul 2018 #48

Fox loves to mock Democrats and progressives for spurious reasons oberliner Jul 2018 #113

Obvious misspeak but likely outcome if a non-Kansan wins the primary. joshcryer Jul 2018 #49

Why the hell would Sanders tweet this? What is THAT about?? Squinch Jul 2018 #90

It's a cool little video clip showing the enthusiasm in KC oberliner Jul 2018 #112

No one who pals with Jimmy Dore nuts is "progressive " Adenoid_Hynkel Jul 2018 #165

Well Russia is associated with the color red. nini Jul 2018 #129

So is Santa Claus oberliner Jul 2018 #132

Why did BS post that video? lapucelle Jul 2018 #139

Obviously without really listening to it. Cha Jul 2018 #152

Ridiculous thread melman Jul 2018 #153

Why hasn't she done anything to help Danny O'Connor in the OH special election RandySF Jul 2018 #159

Why does she have to? Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #160

It would be nice RandySF Jul 2018 #161

That's what she's doing here melman Jul 2018 #166

Some will bash her Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #169

There are no republicans in the Democratic Primary. George II Jul 2018 #204

Did someone say there were? melman Jul 2018 #223

Yes, your response #166 to post #161. George II Jul 2018 #225

No melman Jul 2018 #227

Well sir: George II Jul 2018 #235

Who says she doesn't? Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #168

They should be celebrating the FACT that this event had to be MOVED to to a LARGER venue............ Bengus81 Jul 2018 #205

It's a stupid mistake treestar Jul 2018 #210

Please melman Jul 2018 #219

As a lot of it was not meant when it came to Hillary treestar Jul 2018 #258

No idea what that means melman Jul 2018 #259

How about winning your own seat first? Thrill Jul 2018 #157

Her seat is pretty safe. I'd like to know: how about her going after a republican for a change? Squinch Jul 2018 #193

Once I saw DU's demographics wonkwest Jul 2018 #163

Let's just say you cannot fool all the people all the time. n/t ucrdem Jul 2018 #181

Freudian slap. ucrdem Jul 2018 #182

Was that Freudian? WhiteTara Jul 2018 #186

A reasonable, fair question to ask BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #195

Oopsie kcr Jul 2018 #188

What did she say wrong about Buckley? That he welcomed vigorous debate? Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #207

Buckley? RandySF Jul 2018 #211

I'm sorry, I didn't hear her praise that in the interview Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #213

Randy, I like you, but I disagree with your headline. PatrickforO Jul 2018 #212

Well said. Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #214

Watch the video in the OP, that's what she said. George II Jul 2018 #221

Oh, shit! I stand corrected. Randy was pointing out a gaffe. PatrickforO Jul 2018 #229

Good for you, we don't see mea culpas around here much, THANKS!!! George II Jul 2018 #230

Once the primary is over, the Democratic candidate lapucelle Jul 2018 #236

Yeah, I have some doubts about BNC. Oh, their platform is OK. PatrickforO Jul 2018 #237

AOC has very strong support where I live on LI. lapucelle Jul 2018 #243

What a concept! A Democrat fighting to unseat local republicans!!! Wow! We should have thought Squinch Jul 2018 #244

Peter King is vulnerable for the first time in years. lapucelle Jul 2018 #249

And he is an especially odious human being. Squinch Jul 2018 #251

There are regular protests against Trump's immigration policies outside his office. lapucelle Jul 2018 #253

That is great! Squinch Jul 2018 #254

And his challenger has already made history with a significant victory. lapucelle Jul 2018 #255

Wish OC would help out against republicans close to home where she's needed. Squinch Jul 2018 #256

I hope that this kind of ridiculous nit-picking division panader0 Jul 2018 #216

Wow! This a huge gaffe and a very troubling glimpse R B Garr Jul 2018 #218

No, it's not a big deal. Bucky Jul 2018 #242

Unfollowed her on twitter because IMO her tweets were becoming a travelogue of her endorsing others Freethinker65 Jul 2018 #233

So I guess OR want their version of the Freedom Caucus operating within the democratic party... JHan Jul 2018 #240

Perhaps she intended "Let's flip this red seat in November" andym Jul 2018 #246

I try to stay out of the AOC threads... jmowreader Jul 2018 #248

I do not like the socialist logo Gothmog Jul 2018 #260