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MrsCoffee

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173. Who the hell do you think is waging the "progressive Democrat" vs. the "establishment Democrat" war?

Sun Jul 22, 2018, 09:47 AM

Jul 2018

Bernie is the last person I would ever look to for unity. Period. He and his revengelution are the most divisive thing to happen to the Democratic Party in ages.

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The dividing of Democrats is underway. The latest I've noticed is "Establishment Democrats" . . . . [View all] Stinky The Clown Jul 2018 OP

Where does it come from? The same people who boosted #Walkaway ck4829 Jul 2018 #1

Russian Bots are good. sellitman Jul 2018 #2

For a fact. They know the best way to beat us is to divide us. Arkansas Granny Jul 2018 #3

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #5

"true progressive people"? You mean like those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for still_one Jul 2018 #8

I mean people with true progressive, ie, anti-corporate ideas, NOT influenced by Russian bots. tomp Jul 2018 #11

Because of divisive bullshit like that we lost two SC nominations, and a racist, sexist, bigot got still_one Jul 2018 #17

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #22

And how was it stolen? A significant part of stealing the election.... paleotn Jul 2018 #40

There is no doubt the Russian government was involved in undermining our election infrastructure, still_one Jul 2018 #55

There were a lot of contributing factors, and to ignore the contribution of those still_one Jul 2018 #43

Russia and the Comey were definitely PART of it, but there were other reasons too. LBM20 Jul 2018 #46

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Jul 2018 #57

Paul Krugman sounded the warning in September 2016. lapucelle Jul 2018 #119

I agree rockfordfile Jul 2018 #120

The Midterms are paramount Bamahombre Jul 2018 #124

Would you kindly show me where the media is calling tRump "Teflon Don?" Thanks. nt fleabiscuit Jul 2018 #154

NO EXCUSE for not voting or voting 3rd party when the stakes were so high. NONE! LBM20 Jul 2018 #45

I tend to agree. WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2018 #76

Absolutely, the corporations own both parties, but voting Democratic is absolutely essential InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #164

You want a party the reflects the GOP lock-step brain dead who just mumble Democrat bad. olegramps Jul 2018 #58

Nothing says "cultivating non-critical adherence" lapucelle Jul 2018 #79

That is a remarkable mistaken conclusion of the party and its candidates. olegramps Jul 2018 #91

It is an entirely accurate statement concerning all Brand New Congress candidates. lapucelle Jul 2018 #96

Some are confusing an endorsement with "relinquishing control of their campaigns.' AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #138

So BNC candidates have little to no say in their campaigns? George II Jul 2018 #99

They can write their own stump speech, lapucelle Jul 2018 #109

Well, that coupled with their lack of success so far this year, if I were a candidate.... George II Jul 2018 #112

They're also running a Republican-turned-Independent against the Democrat lapucelle Jul 2018 #113

They supported a republican in Arkansas earlier in the year, too, who lost. George II Jul 2018 #118

idealistic suprcali Jul 2018 #101

Tomp, imo, your view of Democrats is badly warped. Hortensis Jul 2018 #123

Oh BULL, tomp. "establishment" is just a broad brush Cha Jul 2018 #141

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ sheshe2 Jul 2018 #142

Gracias, she! Cha Jul 2018 #143

Welcome... sheshe2 Jul 2018 #144

Yup. fleabiscuit Jul 2018 #160

Hey, flea. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #161

+1 fleabiscuit Jul 2018 #159

Aloha, flea! Cha Jul 2018 #163

Republicans are the corporate party. betsuni Jul 2018 #145

BINGO!!! tonyt53 Jul 2018 #52

It is one party with various points of view. wasupaloopa Jul 2018 #9

That's the problem. tomp Jul 2018 #12

Horseshit! paleotn Jul 2018 #48

Please stop it. Most Dems are very close on most issues. A national party needs to be a big LBM20 Jul 2018 #51

I blame the "left wing" being discussed kcr Jul 2018 #54

We have a whole list of issues brought up wasupaloopa Jul 2018 #84

We don't need "more conservative or more anything than thou" saints dividing us either. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #131

Isn't it odd how "for the sake of party unity" always favor's the calcified old guard? Snotcicles Jul 2018 #13

Funny about that, the DNC platform committee which included voices different voices, incorporated still_one Jul 2018 #23

The 2016 election was compared against recent elections and it was found CentralMass Jul 2018 #64

I didn't say that those who supported Bernie in the primary didn't vote for the Democratic nominee. still_one Jul 2018 #75

Democrats must be united now, more than ever. No division! appalachiablue Jul 2018 #105

I agree still_one Jul 2018 #114

Wow ! Cheviteau Jul 2018 #65

This ageist shit needs to stop. joshcryer Jul 2018 #77

43,567 posts about how young and inexperienced Ocasio-Cortez Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #81

"Old guard" IS ageist because it ignores the value of experience. Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #88

I want new faces, that's without a doubt. joshcryer Jul 2018 #92

Sorry, I find this post offensive! pazzyanne Jul 2018 #31

Thank you, tomp.... Magoo48 Jul 2018 #36

No Magoo, it doesn't make you LESS of a Democrat... maybe MORE of one!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #63

Our pleas fall on deaf ears. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #82

With all respect, I doubt any of us recognize the propaganda we're reading. yardwork Jul 2018 #44

Those spitting out "establishment" Cha Jul 2018 #4

This is pretty much normal. It's really best to ignore what "Democrats" are doing and... TreasonousBastard Jul 2018 #6

that's what the GOP has been doing bigtree Jul 2018 #33

We're not that divided: We agree on many things. We can join together to win. YOHABLO Jul 2018 #7

I've asked for years what "Establishment" means. betsuni Jul 2018 #10

It's not just Russian bots. lapucelle Jul 2018 #14

"Rebels without a clue".. Cha Jul 2018 #15

... lapucelle Jul 2018 #21

This!!! Stinky The Clown Jul 2018 #103

Right, because there is no difference between... aikoaiko Jul 2018 #20

And Our Revolution, too. George II Jul 2018 #50

It's hard to take Our Revolution seriously. lapucelle Jul 2018 #73

I've noticed that they've endorsed some sure winners just days before the primary.... George II Jul 2018 #86

Rebels without a clue! betsuni Jul 2018 #146

Fuck that noise. A Democrat is a Democrat. GOTV dalton99a Jul 2018 #16

+1 nt NCTraveler Jul 2018 #29

Bingo! paleotn Jul 2018 #53

+1000 True_Blue Jul 2018 #108

There are plenty here attacking the left wing of the party Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #18

I don't think Brand New Congress is necessarily lapucelle Jul 2018 #25

Nor is Our Revolution. Their president, Nina Turner, has said more than once that they're open.... George II Jul 2018 #87

I'm going to take advantage of one of Nina's recent attempts to fit in lapucelle Jul 2018 #98

+1...The "spitting out" of "AOC," e.g. BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #30

True. NT Duppers Jul 2018 #32

Wow. Let's include all the hate for Bernie Sanders and his supporters in this discussion. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #19

Cut it out you silly dividers! DemocracyMouse Jul 2018 #24

Agree, DemocracyMouse. pazzyanne Jul 2018 #41

I'm hoping that Sanders isn't the next entrenched establishment candidate they set their eyes on. nt NCTraveler Jul 2018 #28

By definition he can't be an example of Democratic party establishment. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #34

I didn't use the word Democratic. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #37

It was always about the Democrat inner power circle... aikoaiko Jul 2018 #49

"inner power circle" betsuni Jul 2018 #56

Of course. OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #60

Heh. betsuni Jul 2018 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author charlyvi Jul 2018 #71

No. Of course not. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #61

Oh. Does Teh Deep State mean Obamas and Clintons? betsuni Jul 2018 #67

No, the Deep State doesn't involve retired elected officials either. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #70

"so that you can begin your education" betsuni Jul 2018 #74

I know, educating yourself on a topic is funny, right? aikoaiko Jul 2018 #80

Hey, love child. betsuni Jul 2018 #83

But he sure has benefited from his definition of Democratic Party establishment. MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #132

What's his definition of Democratic party establishment? aikoaiko Jul 2018 #133

That's for damn sure karin_sj Jul 2018 #93

YES YES YES Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #100

+1000! We absolutely must keep our eye on the ball this time True_Blue Jul 2018 #110

Who the hell do you think is waging the "progressive Democrat" vs. the "establishment Democrat" war? MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #173

Most of it that I see.... NCTraveler Jul 2018 #26

yeah, who needs those guys, anyway? bigtree Jul 2018 #35

What guys? NCTraveler Jul 2018 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #66

You can hav all the unity in the world but unless you have a plan to overcome the Russian/Republicon Farmer-Rick Jul 2018 #27

It's clear to me that Putin is funding this divisiveness, whether folks realize it or not. yardwork Jul 2018 #38

The Establishment smear is pure bull EffieBlack Jul 2018 #42

There are all kinds of reasons why establishment can be a problem because often it JCanete Jul 2018 #107

We both know "establishment" is the perfect xmas74 Jul 2018 #166

We shall overcome.... together DemocracyMouse Jul 2018 #47

Can someone please define "corporate Democrats" and spooky3 Jul 2018 #59

Imaginary creatures. betsuni Jul 2018 #72

I've been waiting for those definitions for about a decade. None forthcoming. George II Jul 2018 #90

Those who can actually win general elections. BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #115

Think about it this way... docgee Jul 2018 #68

"The dividing of Democrats is underway" G_j Jul 2018 #69

There is division only for those who want division within the party Kaleva Jul 2018 #78

The correct heading is ATTEMPTS to divide democrats beachbum bob Jul 2018 #85

No matter what label Democrats are given elmac Jul 2018 #89

I am an older Dem, age 59 MaryMagdaline Jul 2018 #94

Oh, please RandomAccess Jul 2018 #95

Yep, it's divisive BS. gulliver Jul 2018 #97

It comes from a sense that a whole systematic issue has led us to where we are, and that is money JCanete Jul 2018 #102

At minimum we need the House True_Blue Jul 2018 #104

There's also been an attempt to divide the LGBT community. Initech Jul 2018 #106

I just exited a thread that started out excitedly quoting Cenk Uighur on Bernie's 2020 chances... Hekate Jul 2018 #111

The same people who call Planned Parenthood "establishment" mcar Jul 2018 #116

+1 tammywammy Jul 2018 #117

Yes, you see a lot of it upthread. OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #121

The Steamfitters Union? mcar Jul 2018 #122

I know. It's sad. OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #125

... mcar Jul 2018 #126

Yours should be its own OP Stinky The Clown Jul 2018 #128

We need reform in our party and we also need to win this Fall. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #127

Would that it were so simple Stinky The Clown Jul 2018 #129

If Democrats want to win in November, our leadership needs to make an effort to insure Sophia4 Jul 2018 #130

I'm Good with that... how about we start by... Adrahil Jul 2018 #165

How about not vilifying any Democrats? Sophia4 Jul 2018 #171

Like I said, I'm good with that. But I will call out those who.... Adrahil Jul 2018 #174

Am I reading you right? Are you saying that all Democratic incumbents deserve our support Sophia4 Jul 2018 #175

When someone uses establishment democrats in a negative way Eko Jul 2018 #134

Yup, hardly anything more important than winning the mid-terms. LAS14 Jul 2018 #135

Congressional and Senate elections involve primaries. Primaries are necessarily divisive. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #136

From many places, it appears, including russians, divide and conquer, of course. elleng Jul 2018 #137

Tune it out DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #139

That shit comes from the evil brains jimlup Jul 2018 #140

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #147

Somebody accusing you of "hippie-punching" in 3...2...1 betsuni Jul 2018 #148

That's okay. It's history and it's true. It's also an effective tool to divide... brush Jul 2018 #150

I thank everyone who pushes back against this tired "establishment" propaganda. betsuni Jul 2018 #153

especially when it's pushed by and in support of JI7 Jul 2018 #155

Too much irony. Need a new word for this much irony. betsuni Jul 2018 #157

What a tired topic BlueWI Jul 2018 #149

Because.. it's Not an non-issue. It's reality. Cha Jul 2018 #151

We'll, it is a primary season. That's reality. BlueWI Jul 2018 #158

Yeah, they use that tired, stale word "establishment" Cha Jul 2018 #162

Too much scapegoating, Cha. BlueWI Jul 2018 #167

Yeah, Goodbye! I can speak out about Cha Jul 2018 #169

No doubt. BlueWI Jul 2018 #170

Only ones using that phase are trying to divide us kimbutgar Jul 2018 #152

+1 fleabiscuit Jul 2018 #156

urgent need for public education campaign on ongoing exteral efforts to divide us AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #168

It's no accident that Tad Devine and Paul Manafort had both their candidates pnwmom Jul 2018 #172

How is this different from disdain of "corportate Democrats" or "DINO's" brooklynite Jul 2018 #176

I think this upcoming election is pretty siimple underthematrix Jul 2018 #177