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xmas74

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117. Clay is important too.

Reply to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #116)

Sun Jul 22, 2018, 09:50 PM

Jul 2018

He has the experience and backing to take a position of power if we could ever flip the House.

I have met Clay on a few occasions . He is establishment but the kind who was taught to give for the benefit of others. I liked him.

I met Cori Bush in 2016. I wasn't all that impressed. She could be more in the future but she needs to put in the grind for more experience . She needs to throw herself into a state position ,where she is needed and can really build experience .

I don't have a problem with youth. I do think some want to make a big jump onto a national stage with little experience . They say all politics is local-the new ones need to start local, build experience , build relationships. If Cori Bush would run for a state office she could climb her way up, maybe into governor down the road.

I will cut down the rambling and get to the point: why run a bunch of kids with little actual office experience against seasoned candidates who will gladly pick a fight with anyone not representing us properly ? Those same candidates could be very useful in a state house,senate or office, where they are more needed.

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For your consideration. Cori Bush - MO 01 [View all] Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 OP

Is this the Cori Bush who is running the primary against progressive Congressman and.... George II Jul 2018 #1

The Democratic incumbent has a better graphic, lapucelle Jul 2018 #2

Mahalo, lapucelle! Cha Jul 2018 #6

His voting may be outstandiing, but he funnels campaign money to his sister. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #9

How much has Jane Sanders been paid by her husband's campaigns? EffieBlack Jul 2018 #20

That's a great question, and Senator Sanders should answer that question. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #23

Unless it's verifiably "legit" (as you say) and corroborated, this shouldn't be posted here.... George II Jul 2018 #30

It was published in a mainstream, respected news source Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #37

The St. Louis Post Dispatch absolutely did NOT report that Clay was "funneling money to his sister". lapucelle Jul 2018 #64

And every penny that Clay's campaign committee spent has been duly reported to the FEC. George II Jul 2018 #65

Why on earth would anyone frame such a misleading narrative lapucelle Jul 2018 #67

And then say, in effect, "I'm not saying he did anything wrong"! George II Jul 2018 #68

Clay chose to spend campaign funds with his sister's law firm. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #73

And you chose to mischaracterize a legal expenditure as "funneling money to his sister" lapucelle Jul 2018 #74

That IS interesting and unfortunate. RandySF Jul 2018 #51

To be clear - I'm not saying he did anything illegal Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #55

It's shitty RandySF Jul 2018 #57

Then why did you bring it up in the first place? George II Jul 2018 #66

Because it's ethically questionable Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #69

Would you find it "ethically questionable" for a candidate to pay him/herself for anything? George II Jul 2018 #79

I think the practice of campaigns paying family needs more scrutiny Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #81

And oneself? George II Jul 2018 #82

You are obviously going somewhere with this. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #83

Since it's such an issue for you, I checked Cori Bush's FEC filings. Did you know that she paid.... George II Jul 2018 #87

Well, I'd have to know how much we are talking about Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #92

$80 melman Jul 2018 #95

That's less than what most companies allow for daily meal money on trips Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #96

In all my years as a treasurer, other than reimbursements (which are also in that report).... George II Jul 2018 #102

Does the actual amount really matter? George II Jul 2018 #100

Yes it does Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #111

And if it were a $12,000,000 payment to a secretive LLC inside the Beltway, lapucelle Jul 2018 #109

You know what's really interesting, to see how much of a "story" this is, I decided to google... George II Jul 2018 #110

Well it's obviously not Clay - but I think all he's sent to sis' firm all told is half a million Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #112

... lapucelle Jul 2018 #114

This is exactly the kind of nonsense that so damaged lapucelle Jul 2018 #71

She was a paid member of his campaign . xmas74 Jul 2018 #107

Why would anyone use the pejorative "funnel money to his sister" lapucelle Jul 2018 #59

+1 nt brer cat Jul 2018 #61

The voters will decide, won't they. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #70

"The voters will decide" who uses a pejorative to mischaracterize a legal practice? lapucelle Jul 2018 #72

Just because it's legal does not make it ethical or right. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #75

Yes, it is perfectly legal to inaccurately frame facts in a negative way to serve an agenda, lapucelle Jul 2018 #77

I don't think my framing is that different than this Post Dipatch piece Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #86

If he paid for the services out of persona funds, THAT would be illegal! What he did/is doing.... George II Jul 2018 #76

Trying to claim the moral high ground lapucelle Jul 2018 #78

There are other opinions on that topic Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #80

You said that the candidate was "funneling money to his sister". lapucelle Jul 2018 #88

I think channeling and funneling are synonymous Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #90

The ability to make nuanced distinctions between the meaning, register, and tone lapucelle Jul 2018 #93

Again, the voters and readers here can decide for themselves Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #94

I get it. Desperate attempts to justify an inaccurate and misleading allegation lapucelle Jul 2018 #99

So campaign workers shouldn't be paid? xmas74 Jul 2018 #106

Is it your campaign? Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #113

My daughter is on the McCaskill campaign xmas74 Jul 2018 #115

Everything said in this thread aside, kudos to your daughter Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #116

Clay is important too. xmas74 Jul 2018 #117

I can only speak for me Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #118

I'm not going to go looking for them, not worth the trouble, but do you have any idea.... George II Jul 2018 #62

No Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #84

Your own post #80 partially answers my question: George II Jul 2018 #89

We aren't discussing all 82 here Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #91

But you're acting like what Clay is doing, and fully documenting, is out of the ordinary.... George II Jul 2018 #103

Cori Bush is herself black and a progressive. Kaleva Jul 2018 #3

And? George II Jul 2018 #4

If he's so popular, you have nothing to worry about Kaleva Jul 2018 #7

I'm not worried about him winning, I'm worried about some trying to divide Democrats in Missouri.... George II Jul 2018 #11

It's a primary. Democrats run against one another. It's what we do. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #12

I understand that, I'm just not accustomed to politicians traveling 1,000 miles to campaign.... George II Jul 2018 #14

O-C has caught lightning in a bottle. She excites voters. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #18

She's also campaigning AGAINST progressive women EffieBlack Jul 2018 #22

What do you have against these women then? Kaleva Jul 2018 #26

Who said I have anything against these women? EffieBlack Jul 2018 #27

So then, do you support the women I listed? Kaleva Jul 2018 #33

Harumph, a "corporate attorney" who moved to a reservation to advocate for.... George II Jul 2018 #28

This article from Kos kind of sums up my opinion on that race Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #32

Why do they keep trotting out a misleading February poll lapucelle Jul 2018 #60

I really doubt there will be any division in Missouri... Kaleva Jul 2018 #17

So what's the point of running against him in a PRIMARY other than to divide? George II Jul 2018 #24

The bigger question is why be excited about a race where the incumbent is almost sure to win easily Kaleva Jul 2018 #31

You're putting words in my mouth (keyboard) But a Democrat challenging a VERY popular... George II Jul 2018 #36

You are the one making the claim so it's up to you to support it with evidence. Kaleva Jul 2018 #45

I'm not getting that either Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #13

Electing progressive women is great, I'm all for it, but not at the expense... George II Jul 2018 #29

No, I don't necessarily agree Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #47

WHAT? Lacy Clay is only 61 years old, certainly not "old blood"! Doesn't his experience... George II Jul 2018 #49

I don't think it's a good idea Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #52

Yes! Lacy Clay has invaluable experience and is an esteemed member of CBC.. Cha Jul 2018 #54

Is that the same Jason Kander who is endorsing Welder? GaryCnf Jul 2018 #35

I thought this was a discussion about Cori Bush challenging incumbent progressive Democrat Clay? George II Jul 2018 #40

I thought so too, but it seems to be all over the road Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #44

I did some research and TheFarseer Jul 2018 #58

do you have any valid point to make here? nt JCanete Jul 2018 #97

Yes, and have. George II Jul 2018 #101

I must have missed it. nt JCanete Jul 2018 #104

VOTE FOR William Lacy Clay in Missouri District 1! Cha Jul 2018 #5

Good for him. lapucelle Jul 2018 #8

Yes, Good on Lacy Clay! Thank You Cha Jul 2018 #10

This isn't the seat that they're hoping to flip "red", is it? George II Jul 2018 #16

Uh oh, check the twitter feeds in the morning!!! George II Jul 2018 #19

I saw that.. The little mindless attacks will continue.. Cha Jul 2018 #38

People ignore the fact that 70% of the electorate in the 14th District are in QUEENS.... George II Jul 2018 #43

No, thank you. I'm all the way with Lacy Clay. EffieBlack Jul 2018 #15

You do you. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #21

I agree - but not just because they're progressive women EffieBlack Jul 2018 #25

Yeah, he must be for Sharice then.. Cha Jul 2018 #41

This was my reply to Effie Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #48

Yeah? You think so in District 3 Kansas then, no doubt. Cha Jul 2018 #39

For your consideration: MO-1 is a Safe D district... brooklynite Jul 2018 #34

Such as Kara Eastman Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #42

Toss up seat that Clinton only lost by 2.2%, and DCCC "Red to Blue candidate" brooklynite Jul 2018 #46

I'll tell you why I would support this race in a more holistic level Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #50

Eastman was just screwed over. RandySF Jul 2018 #53

Yes. That's a head scratcher. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #56

Thanks for the reminder to donate to Clay n/t kcr Jul 2018 #63

We'll all support whoever wins the primary. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #85

I do not like rhe logo or campaign colors Gothmog Jul 2018 #98

Cori Bush is a woman oberliner Jul 2018 #108

Nope. xmas74 Jul 2018 #105