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bettyellen

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54. Well okay, you don't believe our intelligence community any more than Trump does...

Mon Jul 23, 2018, 02:44 PM

Jul 2018

I think the part about some being trolls might be difficult to accept- but to me it’s cruicial. If you think Wikileaks and RT lies were most often spread in good faith, I gotta bridge for you. And if you think massive advertising has no effect on voters, I don’t know what to say.
Awfully defensive on this point... I’m guessing RT might have fooled you too. Your good intentions can’t be extrapolated onto every poster. We now know many were trolls who went on to support Trump.

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'Third Way,' 'corporate,' 'DLC,' Oh, my! [View all] MineralMan Jul 2018 OP

Kick. I propose we ignore those "returning" posters, not Squinch Jul 2018 #1

This! peggysue2 Jul 2018 #7

Its the same old problem. Trying to herd Democrats is like herding cats. Its the nature of the beast olegramps Jul 2018 #36

I don't believe they're Democrats, though. Squinch Jul 2018 #38

Which ones are divisive? The ones supporting moderate, win at all costs? Or the ones, 3Hotdogs Jul 2018 #51

And what exactly will these candidates do if elected? dansolo Jul 2018 #66

I don't think most progressives are that perfectionist. DemocracyMouse Jul 2018 #87

Once Again, They Are Popping Up Again. TomCADem Dec 2018 #177

We're stuck with them for now manor321 Jul 2018 #2

Primaries are not for dishonest smears that depress turnout kcr Jul 2018 #15

You know - Tom Malinowski NJ - 7th Candidate JustAnotherGen Jul 2018 #3

not just a river in Egypt shanny Jul 2018 #4

You just gave me some flashbacks about former DUers.... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2018 #5

I will practice some more. I'm the funniest guy I know. 3Hotdogs Jul 2018 #53

I, for one True Dough Jul 2018 #109

Thanx 3Hotdogs Jul 2018 #124

You are correct Mineral Man. THEY ARE BACAAAACK and none the wiser IMO. Trust Buster Jul 2018 #6

Some Democrats (describe them as you wish) are meeting together to foment fear in the face of ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #8

Why don't I ever have a candlestick in the library when I need it? Squinch Jul 2018 #11

You posted this: murielm99 Jul 2018 #17

read the article bigtree Jul 2018 #30

I see the silent majority every day. I live two blocks from a cemetery. 3Hotdogs Jul 2018 #55

That reminded me to tell you, "Welcome to DU",... IthinkThereforeIAM Jul 2018 #86

I stand by what I said. murielm99 Jul 2018 #56

Boom! Squinch Jul 2018 #58

I love the way you feel secure here telling people who disagree with your politics bigtree Jul 2018 #60

Incumbent Democrats are being primaried murielm99 Jul 2018 #64

best get busy drawing in these challengers' supporters bigtree Jul 2018 #72

I so far more than "scold," as you term it. murielm99 Jul 2018 #75

I told Mineral Man the same thing bigtree Jul 2018 #89

Odd the definitions of divisive here mcar Jul 2018 #106

I'm not going to respond to your biased characterizations of what I wrote bigtree Jul 2018 #110

Are you serious? mcar Jul 2018 #113

apply that to whoever says it bigtree Jul 2018 #118

On this we agree... mcar Jul 2018 #126

lots of invective in there bigtree Jul 2018 #139

Invective? mcar Jul 2018 #170

Your post is dead on, mcar.. I'm sure you're not anyway.. Cha Jul 2018 #164

Just got back from a candidate forum to see that one mcar Jul 2018 #171

See, you're actually doing the work. Most of those doing all the writing MineralMan Jul 2018 #92

Yeah, look who was talking about "scolding and demeaning".. Cha Jul 2018 #156

all I ever have? really cha? bigtree Jul 2018 #172

Once again bigtree, you nailed it! It never fuckin' ends... but thanks for calling it out! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #68

Don't you love these divisive attacks disguised as a call to unity? PurgedVoter Jul 2018 #93

+1 and thank you! mountain grammy Jul 2018 #155

Stop it! Everybody! DemocracyMouse Jul 2018 #91

Brava! mcar Jul 2018 #100

And... boom! NurseJackie Jul 2018 #115

Amen, Muriel99 Hekate Jul 2018 #141

Tired old terms Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #9

please notify Third Way (which is a real organization) ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #13

They were influential 20 years ago. Why not just call us Whigs and Tories? Squinch Jul 2018 #73

Yup, the Clintons made it famous (and the DLC)... but now it's like Krypnonite to some around here InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #74

Yes and on FOX they still complain about Acorn Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #163

It takes different candidates to win in different districts. MineralMan Jul 2018 #16

Very true MM...at the same time, there's something to be said for tryin to change hearts and minds. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #77

Of course. We're always doing that. MineralMan Jul 2018 #81

Yeah it depends on the district and the state. Willie Pep Jul 2018 #148

That's the way it should be Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #160

Never undertood infinite_wisdom Jul 2018 #84

Depends on the district Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #161

I saw one recently call a one term house member an "entrenched establishment candidate." NCTraveler Jul 2018 #10

Transparent as a broken out window. MineralMan Jul 2018 #12

We can vote for the dem candidate in the GE. We can be civil about our disagreements. Highlighting JCanete Jul 2018 #14

Guess what? All three branches of federal government are now in MineralMan Jul 2018 #18

Prove with any evidence, your claim that challenges in the primary from the left depress turnout. We JCanete Jul 2018 #21

If you think having a primary results in the Republicans winning, then why don't you just say that. rgbecker Jul 2018 #28

Just wait until all the primaries are over. MineralMan Jul 2018 #29

Bookmarked. n/t theaocp Jul 2018 #43

Well, there is one young woman who won her primary Bettie Jul 2018 #80

She's not being trashed by me. She will be the candidate in her MineralMan Jul 2018 #83

Oh, you mean the one who is now attending rallies all over the country when she has yet to win... Hekate Jul 2018 #146

The entire purpose is depressing turnout mcar Jul 2018 #19

When they do it, call them out on it. MineralMan Jul 2018 #20

bullshit lacking evidence that it does depress turnout, but you don't seem to give a shit about JCanete Jul 2018 #26

Testy, are we? MineralMan Jul 2018 #31

why are you spreading unverifiable claims here on DU? Yes, that bothers me. Call me crazy. nt JCanete Jul 2018 #32

I'm not going to call you anything. MineralMan Jul 2018 #34

why dodge the question? nt JCanete Jul 2018 #35

You're free to ask any question you wish. MineralMan Jul 2018 #40

thats your goal? Well shit, that clears it all up. It isn't about presenting an honest position you JCanete Jul 2018 #42

.. MineralMan Jul 2018 #47

That's fair. nt JCanete Jul 2018 #49

So you too dispute that the GOP used some "progressives" to depress Dem turnout? bettyellen Jul 2018 #39

i dispute that that is the goal of progressives, and that that has had a measurable effect taht you JCanete Jul 2018 #44

Well okay, you don't believe our intelligence community any more than Trump does... bettyellen Jul 2018 #54

What? How did you get that from what I said. I said primaries don't depress the vote, and that JCanete Jul 2018 #76

You know we're talking about progressives smearing Dems during and after the primaries? Let's not bettyellen Jul 2018 #111

We are talking about democrats in primaries using language about "corporate" dems etc. If you want JCanete Jul 2018 #128

And calling Emily's list establishment, and using broad based attacks in Dems to be weaponized... bettyellen Jul 2018 #136

So WHO was smearing Dems during and after the primaries? progressoid Jul 2018 #138

It's difficult to believe these people targeting HRC did not suppress the vote- the both sides BS bettyellen Jul 2018 #143

How about constant trolling by some (not you) in which Democrats are derided as "third way" Squinch Jul 2018 #61

I think it, like a lot of things here, like this thread, sucks up our energy, that could be spent JCanete Jul 2018 #78

Deliberate party spoiling is an important topic that is worth "wasting energy" on. kcr Jul 2018 #85

If it it were making a case that this is what it does, I think it would have merit. Because there JCanete Jul 2018 #88

We do have the word of our intelligence agencies that it happened. I see no reason to Squinch Jul 2018 #116

No, we have the word of our intelligence agencies that Russia has attempted to use these JCanete Jul 2018 #117

See my previous post about how each of us does affect the people around us. Squinch Jul 2018 #119

That is not a case for deliberate party spoiling from within. nt JCanete Jul 2018 #120

The intelligence agency reports are the case for that. The effect it has on each of us is the case Squinch Jul 2018 #122

Wait what are you refering to in agency reports? That there are dems who were trying to throw the JCanete Jul 2018 #130

Forget it, JCanete. This is the kind of nonsense we don't have time for. Squinch Jul 2018 #132

But its your claim. I'm not the one taking us there. We can agree to drop it though. nt JCanete Jul 2018 #134

In the wider world, it might not have taken many votes at all to have changed the outcome of the Squinch Jul 2018 #90

I mostly agree with you, except that disctinctons have to be drawn in the primary, and I'm sorry, JCanete Jul 2018 #98

In any other year I would agree with you. But this year there is no goal that can supercede Squinch Jul 2018 #102

Oh so do I, but I just see that end forestalled by a few years if we don't drastically JCanete Jul 2018 #140

I've been here since 2002 mcar Jul 2018 #108

Socialist! bigtree Jul 2018 #22

Good question... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #82

K&R ismnotwasm Jul 2018 #23

Great post and hope that, for the sake of America, everyone heeds your advice. riversedge Jul 2018 #24

Apparently, not everyone thinks it's a great post. MineralMan Jul 2018 #25

...yeah, weird that. JCanete Jul 2018 #27

But most do. The few who don't are loud, but not numerous. And they do seem to be swarming you Squinch Jul 2018 #46

I have my full bug-netting suit on. MineralMan Jul 2018 #50

They're no match for you! Squinch Jul 2018 #52

Agreed - it all comes down to this! FakeNoose Jul 2018 #33

Exactly. If Democrats win enough elections, we'll get back some control MineralMan Jul 2018 #37

+1000 nt DesertRat Jul 2018 #144

I'll bet MIRT will be very busy between now and November EllieBC Jul 2018 #41

MIRT only deals with people who have recently signed up on DU. MineralMan Jul 2018 #45

In the end, its not up to us to motivate voters elmac Jul 2018 #48

You're wrong. It IS up to all of us to encourage people MineralMan Jul 2018 #57

That is simply not true mcar Jul 2018 #112

No question... keep up the good work!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #157

Most of us disagree- we must GOTV if we live our values. bettyellen Jul 2018 #145

All politics is local. Always has been. haele Jul 2018 #59

Exactly. People are most effective in supporting candidates MineralMan Jul 2018 #62

I think people lose track of how local conditions decide who wins elections. Willie Pep Jul 2018 #150

K&R ! stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #63

Thanks! MineralMan Jul 2018 #65

The funniest of all is the resurrection of "DLC", which ceased to exist about 8 years ago! George II Jul 2018 #67

Yes. Whenever I have pointed that out, I get the MineralMan Jul 2018 #70

They're really pissed at the Whigs, too, I hear. Bastards were all corporatists, doncha know. Squinch Jul 2018 #176

Thank you, MineralMan! SunSeeker Jul 2018 #69

You're more than welcome! MineralMan Jul 2018 #71

I vote the most left candidate in the primaries gollygee Jul 2018 #79

Of course. That's how it works. MineralMan Jul 2018 #96

Same here. Always have always will. And enthusiastically do GOTV in the general n/t emulatorloo Jul 2018 #149

Thank you. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2018 #94

My pleasure! MineralMan Jul 2018 #95

It's OK to have primaries. It's OK to change representation. Gore1FL Jul 2018 #97

Of course. Primaries are almost over now, though. MineralMan Jul 2018 #99

The Party changed under Obama BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #101

Just as always. MineralMan Jul 2018 #103

There have been daily negative posts on Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez . CentralMass Jul 2018 #104

Not by me. She won her primary. Now, I hope she wins in November. MineralMan Jul 2018 #105

+1 CentralMass Jul 2018 #107

+1 emulatorloo Jul 2018 #151

Don't forget "Wall Street". NurseJackie Jul 2018 #114

"Elite"! Remember when BS called us the "liberal elite"? Right after trump got Rigged in.. Cha Jul 2018 #173

Yup, one returnee is openly threatening third party R B Garr Jul 2018 #121

I missed that one, I guess. MineralMan Jul 2018 #127

I would love to reclaim LIBERAL nvme Jul 2018 #123

They weren't listened to before zentrum Jul 2018 #125

So, who is your House representative? MineralMan Jul 2018 #129

Don't feel like announcing zentrum Jul 2018 #147

Amusingly, a newbie's very first post today was to warn of of the dreaded DCCC Hekate Jul 2018 #131

Manny? Manny Who? MineralMan Jul 2018 #135

Manny are called, but few are chosen Hekate Jul 2018 #142

These Buster types had no problem electing coprporate Republicans in 2016 Adenoid_Hynkel Jul 2018 #133

Like jill Fucking stein and Fucking susan sarandon. Cha Jul 2018 #165

The progressive movement wants money out of politics. AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #137

Spoken better than I could. theaocp Jul 2018 #152

. AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #169

Our Revolution is a 501c4, so they aren't required to disclose their big donors. emulatorloo Jul 2018 #153

But, isn't that "our revolution's" so-called Big Thing.. "money out Cha Jul 2018 #159

The defining specific is not taking corporate PAC money. AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #167

+1,000,000... dead on as usual AK!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #158

hey AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #168

The people who want to blow up the system are back Fresh_Start Jul 2018 #154

Yes, and it is really making me angry Hekate Jul 2018 #174

AGREE. n/t CousinIT Jul 2018 #162

The useful idiots are back. NT Adrahil Jul 2018 #166

Ha-Now that is unexpected Progressive dog Jul 2018 #175