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radius777

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115. Exactly, a safety-net and gov't agencies isn't socialism

Mon Jul 23, 2018, 05:46 PM

Jul 2018

it's a bureacratic state that manages a mixed capitalist system.

the problem that often occurs is in that management, and the corruption/buying of politicians that results.

why the answer to bad capitalism isn't socialism, but good capitalism - what Dems including FDR have always believed.

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I'm a Democrat and I choose Capitalism over Socialism. [View all] mia Jul 2018 OP

I don't. Let me ask you something, are you familiar with the term 'classical conditioning'? ck4829 Jul 2018 #1

But socialism is a word with an actual, real meaning Lee-Lee Jul 2018 #4

Bernie is a Democrat Socialist.. there are different forms of socialism.. we are "socialist" already secondwind Jul 2018 #29

Bernie calls himself a Democratic Socialist but actually pushes for a different platform Lee-Lee Jul 2018 #39

good one.... pangaia Jul 2018 #103

Exactly, a safety-net and gov't agencies isn't socialism radius777 Jul 2018 #115

I prefer the MIX (hybrid) we have now. Good list! Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #45

No, those are almost all services dumbcat Jul 2018 #58

Just to pick a nit, the Post Office does not receive tax dollars. Indeed, it pays into Treasury. Midnight Writer Jul 2018 #107

Democratic socialism is what the Socialist Party USA supports. pnwmom Jul 2018 #124

The post office is not tax payer funded. rainy Jul 2018 #130

Well aware of 'classical conditioning' and GOP talking points mia Jul 2018 #22

If you have these views, I don't see why you're a Democrat. Why the absolutist views? kysrsoze Jul 2018 #34

My view of Capitalism is my experience of what I know about by living here. mia Jul 2018 #46

You are conflating social services with socialism dumbcat Jul 2018 #61

I believe you are conflating pure socialism (Marxism) and socialistic elements. kysrsoze Jul 2018 #92

The OP was about Socialism, not "socialistic elements" dumbcat Jul 2018 #96

I see your point. I guess I just don't get the point of the OP. kysrsoze Jul 2018 #102

The choice isn't really that stark of course. MGKrebs Jul 2018 #2

Binary thought (Capitalism or Socialism) shows an undeveloped mind, void of critical thought, nuance TheBlackAdder Jul 2018 #100

So you oppose our public education system, randr Jul 2018 #3

None of those have anything to do with socialism. Lee-Lee Jul 2018 #10

I belive the waters have muddied over a clear definition randr Jul 2018 #18

I'm afraid you're fighting a losing battle dumbcat Jul 2018 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Jul 2018 #132

Here is link to a related article. CentralMass Jul 2018 #5

the key word is capitalism - social capitalism not socialism AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #60

You call it Nordic Socialism! GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #90

Social Capitialism is the correct term, Nordic socialism was my slang, CentralMass Jul 2018 #118

Scandinavia is small and homogenous, radius777 Jul 2018 #116

Not sure you understand what socialism means. Plus Churchill was about as liberal as John McCain is berni_mccoy Jul 2018 #6

VENEZUELA & SOCIALISM: Here, Read All About Socialism . It's not the utopian dream we're being fed Wwcd Jul 2018 #24

Venezuela is PURE socialism... We are a hybrid economy, part capitalism, part socialism.. it works. secondwind Jul 2018 #32

Sure, for now. We're not quite full dictator just yet. Wwcd Jul 2018 #41

what the hell? What do you think the natural conclusion of capitalism is? Because we are seeing it. JCanete Jul 2018 #65

Good lord. First we are quoting Churchill and now Hayek? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2018 #80

Hayek was a lunatic, a seed of New Republicanism, claimed fascism was manifestation of socialism. TheBlackAdder Jul 2018 #101

Capitalism works best when it is well regulated Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #7

This! ProfessorGAC Jul 2018 #30

Re-read what I wrote Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #57

So Am I ProfessorGAC Jul 2018 #81

I know Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #84

No, I Was Amplifying Your Opinion ProfessorGAC Jul 2018 #87

The "equal sharing of miseries" is good motivation for positive change for all. Mike Rows His Boat Jul 2018 #8

+1 malthaussen Jul 2018 #16

Easy for Churchill, an aristocrat born to wealth and privilege, to say. 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2018 #9

Exactly! Duppers Jul 2018 #70

Socialist, when used by a conservative, is an empty epithet... Thomas Hurt Jul 2018 #11

I think the paraphrase says it better: malthaussen Jul 2018 #12

Um, damn. theaocp Jul 2018 #53

Capitalism/Socialism/Communism were fitting for society structures randr Jul 2018 #13

Completely agree. Fear of words. We live in an anti-ideological age. Snellius Jul 2018 #51

Ah, so you are against weekends, overtime pay, sick leave, paid vacations, and child labor laws. malchickiwick Jul 2018 #14

No, none of that is socialism Lee-Lee Jul 2018 #20

There's also the Republican definition ck4829 Jul 2018 #23

Which has what to do with us dumbcat Jul 2018 #68

LOL. You seem to think "socialism" is synonymous with "Marxism" -- I suggest YOU bone up on 19th ... malchickiwick Jul 2018 #27

Ahhh... good ole European Corporatism. OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #123

Do you seriously think it was other capitalists who fought for worker's rights? kcr Jul 2018 #38

The world is not an either/or choice for this stuff Lee-Lee Jul 2018 #44

Yes, it is indeed. kcr Jul 2018 #73

They are socialistic elements... whathehell Jul 2018 #78

"Das Kapital" was published in 1867.... brooklynite Jul 2018 #15

Whoopsie, you wrote "socialist" when you meant "Marxist" ... malchickiwick Jul 2018 #42

Cuba is a mixed economy. eom Mike Rows His Boat Jul 2018 #47

I agree, but the revolution adopted a Marxist ideology; that was my point. (n/t) malchickiwick Jul 2018 #50

K&R ! stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #17

No one mentions that Churchill was feared by the majority in Britain pecosbob Jul 2018 #19

I just love those big Capitalist Wall Street banks too (which we the taxpayers bailed out). jalan48 Jul 2018 #21

I'm a Democrat and I choose a Democratic Socialism Nanjeanne Jul 2018 #25

Those are actually part of a system under a Social Democracy. Like the New Deal. haele Jul 2018 #99

Brian: Excuse me. Are you the Judean People's Front? MGKrebs Jul 2018 #112

lol haele Jul 2018 #113

The countries with the most contented citizens live under a system that's a mix of both. Eyeball_Kid Jul 2018 #26

Socialism is Not Free Enterprise. Wwcd Jul 2018 #28

Are you being forced to choose? TubbersUK Jul 2018 #31

That quote gets it wrong Snotcicles Jul 2018 #33

All things in moderation. VOX Jul 2018 #35

So do I. lamp_shade Jul 2018 #36

Strawman RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #37

No country exists as a pure form of capitalism or socialism. procon Jul 2018 #40

Good luck paying for your own roads, water, schools, fire and police protection. Orsino Jul 2018 #43

An even better quote, this one from from Eugene Debs: malchickiwick Jul 2018 #48

We're quoting Churchill on DU now? Ace Rothstein Jul 2018 #49

Maggie Thatcher will be next oberliner Jul 2018 #55

Just what I was thinking TubbersUK Jul 2018 #62

In a couple of years Dubya will be the most quoted sage on DU n/t Blaukraut Jul 2018 #86

Stop It - Just Stop It People - First Things First.... global1 Jul 2018 #67

#33 nt Snotcicles Jul 2018 #74

what the hell is going on here. This is so silly. You know that you can have socialism and markets JCanete Jul 2018 #52

For the record, we do not have one truly socialist country in Europe DFW Jul 2018 #79

For the record, we don't have one truly capitalistic country either. I agree, we haven't seen a JCanete Jul 2018 #82

Winston Churchill? oberliner Jul 2018 #54

Way too many divisive threads like this turning up. I'm suspicious. (nt) Paladin Jul 2018 #56

What do you think the defenders of Standing Rock would say about that? n/t Orsino Jul 2018 #59

Right now I choose unity over terminology AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #64

"Capitalism will never fail because Socialism will always bail it out." Fullduplexxx Jul 2018 #66

I believe I fall under today's Democratic Socialist flag. It's code for well regulated capitalism. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #69

in the 1920's yesphan Jul 2018 #71

It's never one or the other. moondust Jul 2018 #72

No way. A combo is needed. Duppers Jul 2018 #75

K&R Gothmog Jul 2018 #76

Refusing all labels is the only way to live... Moostache Jul 2018 #77

Thank you for this post. mia Jul 2018 #119

Ah, the purists again. Iggo Jul 2018 #83

Well, this is... something. demmiblue Jul 2018 #85

So bizarre. Iggo Jul 2018 #88

Be warned for this... demmiblue Jul 2018 #93

Already stuck in my head. Iggo Jul 2018 #94

I like public schools. H2O Man Jul 2018 #89

Me too. mia Jul 2018 #121

Right. H2O Man Jul 2018 #122

US and all the West are currentl mixed markets. The question is how mixed. applegrove Jul 2018 #91

I'm a democrat. Period. I don't worry about titles I.e. liberal, progressive. I'm a democrat. blueinredohio Jul 2018 #95

Well regulated markets, DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #97

So you want to do away with Medicare and make seniors purchase private insurance? phleshdef Jul 2018 #98

Every country is socialist to a degree lamsmy Jul 2018 #104

DU might not be a good fit if one is a pure capitalist Kaleva Jul 2018 #105

Do you prefer the US economy as it was before the 1930s or after? Tiggeroshii Jul 2018 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author pangaia Jul 2018 #108

Unfettered capitalism does not work. Unlimited socialism does not work. A balanced mix can work. Midnight Writer Jul 2018 #109

Winston Churchill was a FASCIST tenderfoot Jul 2018 #110

Agree, Dems are safety-net capitalists, not socialists. radius777 Jul 2018 #111

I don't. sfwriter Jul 2018 #114

"Socialism" is trending on Merriam-Webster today eleny Jul 2018 #117

Bless your heart! Mendocino Jul 2018 #120

The two aren't really mutually exclusive. Oneironaut Jul 2018 #125

We're already part way like the European democratic socialist governments. We don't do it brewens Jul 2018 #126

I second that. Capitalism is a good thing if done fairly. lancelyons Jul 2018 #127

I am a Democrat and I choose Democrats over Republicans aeromanKC Jul 2018 #128

I prefer to call "capitalism" what it truly is....Social Darwinism. roamer65 Jul 2018 #129

Why choose?... lame54 Jul 2018 #131