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ProfessorPlum

(11,257 posts)
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 08:03 AM Jul 2018

Why We Fight. DU, let's agree to agree to get corporations out of government [View all]

THE Major Problem that we face as people and citizens these days is corporate control of government. Why?

* The ultimate corporate model of labor is slavery - free labor with no pay. We need government to prevent that, and make corporations pay for labor

* The ultimate corporate model of trade is the swindle - they get all your money and provide nothing in return. We need government to control that, and protect us from fraud

* The ultimate corporate model of manufacture is pollution - they poison us with toxins freely. We need government to control that, and regulate what is dumped into our land, air, and water.

* The ultimate corporate model of information is propaganda - they control the flow of information to their own benefit and to the benefit of the status quo. We need government to provide media space for alternate voices that give us other viewpoints.

*The ultimate corporate model of foreign relations is war - they profit from the killing and domination of people in other lands. And eventually our own people. We need government to provide diplomacy that also values peace and the benefits of not being at war.

* The ultimate corporate model of government is totalitarianism - Decisions flow from the top down, power and wealth flow up. We need government to protect our right to have a say in decision making.

Notice that the GOP, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of corporations, has these models as their platform - Slavery, Fraud, Pollution, Propaganda, War, and Totalitarianism. It is because they are owned and run by corporations.

The opposite platform - Economic Freedom, Consumer Protection, Environmental Health, Free Press, Peace, and Democracy - should be what the Democratic Party stands for, and it should be what we can all here on DU agree are our common goals. The Democratic Party is our (only) means to those ends.


Therefore, there are three main rulers by which I measure Democratic politicians, messaging, policies, and actions. They are:

1. Democrats should fight the Republican Party vigorously - smartly, ferociously, and fiercely. The GOP goals of Slavery, Fraud, Pollution, Propaganda, War, and Totalitarianism should be opposed loudly and cleverly, with clear messaging. Democrats should stymie Republican/Corporate efforts at every turn.

2. Democrats should fight for policies that improve the situation of all people in this country (and the world), even (and perhaps especially) the most vulnerable among us. To the extent that that requires opposing the GOP, corporations, and their horrible policies, they need to communicate well and fight strongly.

3. Democrats should have as a goal the gradual minimization of corporate influence over government, realizing that that is an ideal unlikely to be reached, but earnestly to be wished and fought for. The current model we work in, where the government is up for sale to the highest corporate bidder (or to the most devious foreign mafia), will not further our goals and needs to be changed as rapidly as it is possible to do so without harming people.


That means, that if I find people advocating that Democrats shouldn't fight hard, then I will speak out against those people. If they are Democrats, I will vote for them while hating their attitude, against Republicans. But I am going to call that strategy out.

That means, that if I find people advocating that Democrats should adopt corporate policies like Slavery, Fraud, Pollution, Propaganda, War, and Totalitarianism, then I will speak out against those people. If they are Democrats, I will vote for them while hating their attitude, against Republicans. But I am going to call their policies out.

That means, that if I find people advocating that Democrats don't fight corporate control of government, then I will speak out against those people. If they are Democrats, I will vote for them while hating their attitude, against Republicans. But I am going to call those fucking anti-human policies out.

And I don't want to hear shit from people on this board about calling out behavior that is weak against the GOP, weak against corporations, and weak against true Democratic principles. If we cannot agree that the policies of the GOP and their corporate masters are ANTI-HUMAN and fight against them, then how can we build a humane society together as a human community?

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Absolutely correct. Must have public financing of campaigns too to turn the tables. cpamomfromtexas Jul 2018 #1
agreed, that's one of the biggest components of getting money out of government. ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #5
You don't want to hear "shit" from people on this board? kcr Jul 2018 #2
noted ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #3
Well done. Trashing thread, but glad I saw your post first. Squinch Jul 2018 #4
Corporate influence on local government is what killed the horrible "bathroom" laws in NC Recursion Jul 2018 #6
those corporations were responding to pressure from the community ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #11
No they weren't. I'm right here in NC and I'm gay. yardwork Jul 2018 #36
"I don't want to hear shit from people on this board" NCTraveler Jul 2018 #7
While good and worthy ideas Trumpocalypse Jul 2018 #8
of course they aren't strict ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #9
I use the Cesar Millan rule DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #10
that's a great way to put it ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #12
Thanks DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #14
I use the fire analogy ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #17
I believe your post has an overblown concept of corporations. MineralMan Jul 2018 #13
gee, MineralMan, does your 30 employee corporation ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #15
My point stands. MineralMan Jul 2018 #19
again, you are totally missing the point ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #21
Actually, you overstated your point, which I pointed out. MineralMan Jul 2018 #23
It's the system that's the problem ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #25
You guess? You guess incorrectly. MineralMan Jul 2018 #27
I have no problem with an economic system based on capitalism ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #28
I'm totally done with this conversation. MineralMan Jul 2018 #31
thanks for nothing ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #32
No need for thanks if you got nothing from my post. MineralMan Jul 2018 #35
some corporations are made up of good hearted people? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #39
Your assumptions are extreme stereotypes and caricatures. former9thward Jul 2018 #16
Your post is completely full of nonsense ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #18
That is a very, very impolite response to a fellow DUer. MineralMan Jul 2018 #42
of course they are extreme - because they are "ultimate" goals ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #20
Elections must be getting close. MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #22
Exactly. n/t FSogol Jul 2018 #24
From posters who joined JPR two years ago. They're back, just in time for midterms. yardwork Jul 2018 #37
THE Major Problem that we face as people and citizens these days is mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2018 #26
I'm for campaign finance and lobbying reform, definitely. octoberlib Jul 2018 #29
"It's the money, stupid." Orsino Jul 2018 #30
demand elected officials release their taxes JI7 Jul 2018 #33
I'm not voting for anybody who won't release 10 years of tax returns. yardwork Jul 2018 #38
Maybe we can all agree "Corporations AREN'T People"? jalan48 Jul 2018 #34
hear hear ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #40
I'm surprised at the number of people who rush to defend our modern corporate state given the jalan48 Jul 2018 #41
me too ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #43
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