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In reply to the discussion: Simple visual that clarifies why the Assault Weapons Ban renewal [View all]sarisataka
(22,978 posts)190. Thank you for your reply
A) Recitation of common NRA talking points, use of the term "controller" as a pejorative.
Several of my opinions do match those of the NRA, but they were reached independently. I use the term controller to sum up the position of those who parrot VPC and Brady talking points which are as bad as those of the NRA and even more riddled with fallacies.
To be open, I am a NRA certified instructor but neither support or accept the majority of their positions as reasonable. As I posted in RKBA, my profession mandates holding the certification.
B) The NRA's agenda is self-serving and generally counter to the interests of public safety and democracy. Here in Florida we have a rather nefarious woman named Marion Hammer. She's the chief lobbyist for the NRA here and has written nearly word for word multiple laws enacted by the legislature which serve only to punish and intimidate anyone who dares cross the agenda of the gun lobby.
I would put forth that any organization is self serving. As to whether their position is counter to public safety is why there is so much debate on the subject. Their process is very democratic, they use the legislative process to further their cause. If they abuse that process is another subject of debate.
That said, I do believe in gun control to an extent that would give Mr. LaP nightmares. My only litmus test is 'will the control affect crime more than it burdens lawful gun owners.' Most of the 'reasonable' proposals do not pass. I am willing to give ideas a fair hearing.
C) I used that phrase for a satirical purpose. Of course only a criminal uses a gun to commit a crime. The problem is, the gun lobby would have you believe that gun violence only occurs at the hands of repeat criminals with illegally obtained firearms. The reality is quite the contrary. Page, Holmes, Lochner, Cho and many others were not "criminals" until the first time they pulled the trigger in the commission of their infamous acts. They obtained their weapons legally and very easily, despite the clear existence of warning signs that they were not fit individuals to be carrying such weapons. If you are going to ask whether I support a blanket ban on all firearms, I will tell you I do not. However, the laws surrounding purchase and licensing of guns are often way too lax, and the NRA's interests are seemingly to ensure that those laws are not tightened or subject to better enforcement.
Understood and agree. While those you named are by far the exception, the fact that they get past the current safeguards shows that current methods are not completely effective. We need to find ways to get better data into NCIS without resorting to non-due process ways such as the 'watch list'.
And extra credit: To answer your question, I do believe a person has such a right, but with a caveat. If that person overreacts or uses poor judgment in such a situation, they--as the carrier of a deadly weapon--are legally responsible. Self-defense only goes so far. That is the situation that I believe to be at play with Mr. Zimmerman.
Congratulations on being the first to answer. I completely agree with your stipulations. Carrying a gun should never tempt you into doing something you would not do if not armed. As the operator, the carrier is completely responsible for the results of the use of the gun.
Thank you again for the serious reply. Have a good evening.
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Militia definition - 5. A word determined by the Supreme Court in the Heller case to not limit an
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2012
#100
"Pro-controllers.....can never wait to bathe in the blood of the victims to push their agenda."
Tommy_Carcetti
Aug 2012
#143
I disagree. Most of those posts were put into GD by people who rarely, if ever,
shadowrider
Aug 2012
#234
Are they shooting silhouette targets that represent people, or something like these guys?
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#8
IPSC and USPSA use "scored" silhouettes. A, B, & C scoring zones.
OneTenthofOnePercent
Aug 2012
#150
Well, I'll tell you the same thing I tell other people who make this argument...
Scootaloo
Aug 2012
#181
You know, the "target practice" argument reminds me of something when I was a kid
Scootaloo
Aug 2012
#209
Pop quiz, which of these guns in CA legal (where there is an assult weapon ban)
Travis_0004
Aug 2012
#16
Okay, I'm stumped - what's the legal difference between the two lowers? (nt)
Posteritatis
Aug 2012
#21
I thought one of them might have been missing some critical notch or something
krispos42
Aug 2012
#192
Did you post that with a quill pen or a hand-cranked printing press?
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#81
Are all you lot this stump-ignorant? Per the Commonwealth of Massachusetts:
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#191
I *could*, if I didn't mind breaking the law. I do, so no Green Mountain arms sales for me.
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#201
Admit that the only way to end debate about AWs is to ban all semi-auto long guns
krispos42
Aug 2012
#47
Unless they are precluded from military service by Federal law, yes. But so are YOU.
Edweird
Aug 2012
#71
Which he bought legally, despite being dishonorably discharged from the military and having well
Erose999
Aug 2012
#135
1) It wasn't a DD, and 2) Do you *really* want to go the 'watch list' route?
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#137
One recent photo that proves the dishonesty (or ignorance) of the cartoon in the OP
slackmaster
Aug 2012
#14
Yes but not nearly as noble as letting home invaders have their way with your wife and children
spayneuter
Aug 2012
#175
Can you point me to the bit in the ill of Rights that says it's okay to walk into cinemas
sibelian
Aug 2012
#166
There Is No Shame In Ignorance, Because The Ignorant Are Too Stupid To Be Ashamed...
WillyT
Aug 2012
#31
It Is Both Ignorant And Stupid To Own An Assault Rifle... There Is Absolutely NO Reason...
WillyT
Aug 2012
#39
LOL !!! - He Wasn't Drunk At The Outset, But He Was Having Difficulty With His Gal...
WillyT
Aug 2012
#59
Mira here is a short video, that explains EXACTLY what the AW ban actully did..
virginia mountainman
Aug 2012
#24
You Forgot To Mentioned The Injured... Or... "Shot, But Not Dead"... They Don't Count ???
WillyT
Aug 2012
#61
Classy. Another example of *why* gun control is the success that it is...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#86
If you substitute "NAACP" for "NRA" your comment will closely resemble many I see posted on
spayneuter
Aug 2012
#222
GWB. *. Was. Is. and forever will be the asshole of assholes. Now with that out of the way
Mira
Aug 2012
#65
"President Bush says he will sign a bill renewing the assault weapons ban if Congress passes it."
hack89
Aug 2012
#125
Here's (1) a simple visual to clarify a problem and (2) a Bill Clinton analysis
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2012
#88
Explain the difference between hunting with a ar platform with a 5 round mag and a 100 yr old mosin
rad51
Aug 2012
#103
Are you 120 years old? Semi-auto guns have been used for hunting for a century
NickB79
Aug 2012
#126
I don't believe for an instant your "era" was all about single-shot firearms. (nt)
Posteritatis
Aug 2012
#155
And the AR round has less recoil and is lighter and more compact and less expensive. Intermediate
Erose999
Aug 2012
#144
Hands, feet, knives, and baseball bats are all multi-purpose tools. An Assault Rifle is a unitasker.
Erose999
Aug 2012
#157
"some sort of firearm" isn't what this thread is about- "assault weapons" is the subject at hand.
X_Digger
Aug 2012
#230
If that's how you want to limit the conversation, then there's a question begging to be asked.
Tommy_Carcetti
Aug 2012
#232
Well, obviously an AR-15 *could* be used for sport or hunting purposes. It is a gun, after all.
Tommy_Carcetti
Aug 2012
#237
No! NRA propaganda! Impossible! The only reason prohibition doesn't work is that
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2012
#105
Simple visual that clarifies why the Assault Weapons Ban renewal is a no-brainer.
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2012
#106
Funny, you can buy an AR-15, AK-47 and other semi-auto "assault" guns in Canada.
rDigital
Aug 2012
#149