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JustABozoOnThisBus

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37. We could replace the Senate with a House of Lords

Wed Jul 25, 2018, 03:12 PM

Jul 2018

This upper house could be filled from the offspring of rich families. Given their implied upbringing in the spirit of noblesse oblige, our welfare would be in safe hands.

It seems to work elsewhere.

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In 20 years, half the population of the USA will live in just eight states [View all] Goodheart Jul 2018 OP

It's been plain to me that "one man one vote" has long since gone flamin lib Jul 2018 #1

What's a "subdivision of THE"? Just curious. Glorfindel Jul 2018 #7

Dam auto complete! That should be DFW as in Dallas/Ft Worth. flamin lib Jul 2018 #24

What are you proposing? oberliner Jul 2018 #2

How about equal representation? world wide wally Jul 2018 #3

That's called "The House of Representatives" PJMcK Jul 2018 #51

But that is NOT equal. world wide wally Jul 2018 #52

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I am talking about the house (Also reflected in the electoral college. world wide wally Jul 2018 #57

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enough to make every vote equal across the country world wide wally Jul 2018 #68

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E Q U A L representation. world wide wally Jul 2018 #71

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Better at one given point than permanently world wide wally Jul 2018 #73

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I propose a constitutional amendment to abolish the electoral college Goodheart Jul 2018 #4

Why the Senate? thx irisblue Jul 2018 #17

Because it overrepresents people in less populous states Recursion Jul 2018 #32

Your suggestion throws the pendulum in the opposite direction PJMcK Jul 2018 #54

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Congratulations: you have begged the question (nt) Recursion Jul 2018 #61

Why would smaller states vote in favor of such an amendment? oberliner Jul 2018 #22

Because we'll stop paying for their bridges and roads if they don't (nt) Recursion Jul 2018 #33

Nah, that would never pass the senate Amishman Jul 2018 #45

How do you nullify the political power of the senators from the smaller states hack89 Jul 2018 #70

The filibuster, and the House Recursion Jul 2018 #77

Gridlock and conflict as a form of government hack89 Jul 2018 #84

+1 Quemado Jul 2018 #26

Senators and Representatives based on the same methodology... NoMoreRepugs Jul 2018 #5

The number of senators is not based on population, Volaris Jul 2018 #10

I am aware California has 2 senators. NoMoreRepugs Jul 2018 #18

We'd be better off with a House of Lords, like the UK Glorfindel Jul 2018 #6

There won't be a USA in 20 years. roamer65 Jul 2018 #8

I agree - several states will eventually secede Quemado Jul 2018 #27

Senators are not constitutionally duty bound to represent the interests Volaris Jul 2018 #9

The House represents the people. The Senate represents the states Misterfer Jul 2018 #11

Very true. roamer65 Jul 2018 #12

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If you want states varying with population fairly represented, use a square root power of voting muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #14

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Why do you think arbitrarily-sized artificial entities need "representation"? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #39

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What is the point of a state, if not its people? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #60

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Why does the state government - which you seem to equate with the state - need representation? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #64

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Whatever. Still doesn't mean it is fair. tinrobot Jul 2018 #46

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Why? Because math. tinrobot Jul 2018 #50

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The senate isn't the body that represents the people. tinrobot Jul 2018 #62

+1 2naSalit Jul 2018 #85

If my wife and I are still alive, I won't be one of them. DFW Jul 2018 #13

That article is what ultimately led to me starting this thread: Garrett78 Jul 2018 #15

When the Constitution was written many a good man Jul 2018 #16

It will never happen though hack89 Jul 2018 #19

This. There is no incentive for small states to change mythology Jul 2018 #21

Never is a long time. Crunchy Frog Jul 2018 #75

That does not mean an orderly transition to a better system. hack89 Jul 2018 #83

All you need to do is convince the other 42 states to commit political suicide hack89 Jul 2018 #20

I wonder what will happen if the EC keeps choosing Far right nutjobs for Prez and the 30% keep stevenleser Jul 2018 #28

Look at which resulting "country" will have the agricultural land and the natural resources hack89 Jul 2018 #31

Those are all definitely challenges. You can also talk about the reverse... stevenleser Jul 2018 #35

Especially since they wouldn't have the ports in which to ship abroad dmr Jul 2018 #38

...except to the entire Gulf Coast and southern Atlantic. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #42

Except for the agriculture point, good points. Blue_true Jul 2018 #66

definitely something to worry about NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #23

Not going to happen. We already know what the repugs choose when asked to put Democratic principles unitedwethrive Jul 2018 #25

See my #28 above. nt stevenleser Jul 2018 #29

I wouldn't be concern on where people be living 20 years from now... beachbum bob Jul 2018 #30

Well, they are not "our Senators". Kaleva Jul 2018 #34

We could replace the Senate with a House of Lords JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2018 #37

It would at least be more honest than the current system. Crunchy Frog Jul 2018 #76

It doesn't have to be the wealthy; it can just be technocrats Recursion Jul 2018 #78

Technocrat? Look no further than MI governor, Rick Snyder JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2018 #82

If we can change things Willy nilly then just switch systems GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #41

It sounds like you want a Democracy dumbcat Jul 2018 #43

Although I know civics is still taught in the public school system LanternWaste Jul 2018 #44

This inequity also affects the Supreme Court and judges (since the Senate has to approve) tinrobot Jul 2018 #47

This, again? Captain Stern Jul 2018 #59

The Connecticut Compromise which resulted in each State, irrespective of size, having two senators TomSlick Jul 2018 #67

I don't have a "fix" to suggest lapfog_1 Jul 2018 #79

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2018 #80

The Roman system keeps intriguing me Recursion Jul 2018 #81